Found Deceased MT - Rita Maze, 47, Wolf Creek, 6 Sept 2016 #1

[cady]

That's what is so confounding. NEITHER scenario makes any sense to me. I would think there is footage, or maybe even reliable witnesses somewhere a long the way. I hope so, for the sake of the investigation.

Who did she see in Helena and what did she do there? That's where to start. Nothing suspicious about it, but while I was trying to find her relatives in Helena I clicked on The Jesters site which is apparently a favorite bar in Helena and from a while back (maybe a few years) there was a photo and comments by her sisters and Rita celebrating what would have been their deceased Dad's birthday. The local Helena sister was there and the others were commenting from their respective homes. No idea if she may have visited there when she was in Helena recently. JMO

 

[bluesneakers]

Who did she see in Helena and what did she do there? That's where to start. Nothing suspicious about it, but while I was trying to find her relatives in Helena I clicked on The Jesters site which is apparently a favorite bar in Helena and from a while back (maybe a few years) there was a photo and comments by her sisters and Rita celebrating what would have been their deceased Dad's birthday. The local Helena sister was there and the others were commenting from their respective homes. No idea if she may have visited there when she was in Helena recently. JMO

Did you notice the date on the post? Anniversaries are hard.

 

[AceDetective]

IMO this is either suicide or someone wanted Rita out of the way. I can't see this being random.

The police have repeatedly said that they do not believe there is a threat to public safety. That's their way of saying this was not random. Therefore, according to police, there are only two possibilities at this point:
1. It was suicide.
2. It was perpetrated by someone who knew her.

Also, since there seems to still be so much confusion, let me clarify:

There is currently no valid public information of any man using Rita's credit card. All previous claims trace back to a single convenience store clerk who turned out to be mistaken.

 

[Gardener1850]

The police have repeatedly said that they do not believe there is a threat to public safety. That's their way of saying this was not random. Therefore, according to police, there are only two possibilities at this point:
1. It was suicide.
2. It was perpetrated by someone who knew her.

Also, since there seems to still be so much confusion, let me clarify:

There is currently no valid public information of any man using Rita's credit card. All previous claims trace back to a single convenience store clerk who turned out to be mistaken.

Possibility number 3: LE is saying there is no threat so the public doesn't freak out and start attacking every 6' 5" dark skinned man in the 3 state-area. At least one man seems to have been falsely accused so far just because he fit the description and went to that gas station.

**I do agree that the 2 scenarios you gave are more likely. I don't think this was a random crime.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

The police have repeatedly said that they do not believe there is a threat to public safety. That's their way of saying this was not random. Therefore, according to police, there are only two possibilities at this point:
1. It was suicide.
2. It was perpetrated by someone who knew her.

Also, since there seems to still be so much confusion, let me clarify:

There is currently no valid public information of any man using Rita's credit card. All previous claims trace back to a single convenience store clerk who turned out to be mistaken.

Where are you getting your information that her family is wrong?:
Rita's cousin Leann Kaufman said she is not happy with the FBI's answers and has done her own digging.

"I don't understand the angle. Taking that angle is ludicrous to say the least." "She didn't kill herself, She was murdered,” Kaufman said.

She has gone to the gas station in Ritzville where Maze told family members she was kidnapped.

"While I was in Ritzville, I was able to talk to some people and verify that she was not in their store, A large man was in their store using her card. Which is what she described,” Kaufman said.
http://www.nwcn.com/news/local/spok...d-they-want-answers-after-her-death/316789897
I've heard her family say that the Daily Mail was wrong with the specific man they showed, not that Rita's cousin was wrong about a man using her credit card.

 

[cady]

The gas was pumped at Ritzville. No one saw who pumped it. No video. Paid at pump with Rita's card. Likely,it was Rita pumping it. No witness that we know of saw the transaction. JMO

 

[blue22]

Where are you getting your information that her family is wrong?:
Rita's cousin Leann Kaufman said she is not happy with the FBI's answers and has done her own digging.

"I don't understand the angle. Taking that angle is ludicrous to say the least." "She didn't kill herself, She was murdered,” Kaufman said.

She has gone to the gas station in Ritzville where Maze told family members she was kidnapped.

"While I was in Ritzville, I was able to talk to some people and verify that she was not in their store, A large man was in their store using her card. Which is what she described,” Kaufman said.
http://www.nwcn.com/news/local/spok...d-they-want-answers-after-her-death/316789897
I've heard her family say that the Daily Mail was wrong with the specific man they showed, not that Rita's cousin was wrong about a man using her credit card.

Rita's daughter has said the card was used at the pump and there are no cameras at the pump.

 

[Doghairrules]

This is where I read what the cousin said. It is a quote. JMO

And it almost seems as if the cousin is doing this without the family's blessing. Imo, nothing good can come out of non professionals investigating so early in this case.


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[Inthedetails]

We can only HOPE he was dumb enough to leave his fingerprints somewhere, if there was someone else involved. I don't think he would have had time to find shell casing in the dark though unless Rita was killed before the call where the gunshots were heard. He could have killed her prior to driving to the truck depot and then answered the phone and fired a gun to make it seem like she was shot then. I wonder how many rounds were still in the clip? We have only heard about 2 spent casings and one round still in the chamber. So that leaves 4 in the magazine IF it wasn't fired someplace else (assuming she had standard 7 bullet magazine and no extender). .

Rita died of a gunshot wound to the chest and abdomen. This COD has been officially released.

 

[Doghairrules]

Rita's daughter has said the card was used at the pump and there are no cameras at the pump.

Isn't it weird that there are no cameras at the pump though? You'd think that would be a priority to stop drive offs.


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[TTF14]

Isn't it weird that there are no cameras at the pump though? You'd think that would be a priority to stop drive offs.


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That seems very odd to me, too, and just like virtually every other detail reported by MSM in this case, I seriously question the validity......

 

[blue22]

Isn't it weird that there are no cameras at the pump though? You'd think that would be a priority to stop drive offs.


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Note sure, honestly. I've never noticed or looked for cameras when pumping gas. I can only assume that robberies and/or break-ins are more common than drive offs. Here, you cannot pump until you've paid. Either by prepaying with cash, or paying with card. I don't know what the situation is there, but drive offs aren't a thing that happens here. It wouldn't surprise me if none of our gas stations have cameras at pumps, because of that.

 

[blue22]

That seems very odd to me, too, and just like virtually every other detail reported by MSM in this case, I seriously question the validity......

That wasn't reported by MSM, it was said by the daughter.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Rita's daughter has said the card was used at the pump and there are no cameras at the pump.

Where is this coming from? I cited my source, but I'm not seeing anyone citing sources that counter what the cousin said.

 

[blue22]

Where is this coming from? I cited my source, but I'm not seeing anyone citing sources that counter what the cousin said.

The source is Rita's daughter. See post #1051 for details. (sorry, not being lazy. My dang phone won't let me paste the link!)

ETA: That's the wrong one! Let me find it.

I can't figure out how to link the specific thread. Go here https://www.facebook.com/krtv3/?fref=nf . She comments on the post from 18 hours ago, "Investigation continues into the death of Rita Maze."

 

[SpanishInquisition]

The source is Rita's daughter. See post #1051 for details. (sorry, not being lazy. My dang phone won't let me paste the link!)

ETA: That's the wrong one! Let me find it.

I can't figure out how to link the specific thread. Go here https://www.facebook.com/krtv3/?fref=nf . She comments on the post from 18 hours ago, "Investigation continues into the death of Rita Maze."

Which what she is saying is contradicted on the record in the media as the FBI has seized gas pump footage:
Maze had called her husband on her cell phone to say that she had been kidnapped but now surveillance cameras in Kingston, Idaho could tell a different story. The Kwik Stop in Kingston is one of at least two places where Maze's credit card was used the day she disappeared. The question is who was seen on surveillance video pumping $25 of gas that afternoon, Maze or someone else?

Kwik Stop employees say they don't know the answer because they never looked at the video. The FBI asked for a specific time frame and the store handed over the footage.

Kwik Stop employees say the footage taken at the gas pumps is no longer in their surveillance system, but the FBI have a copy. If Maze was seen pumping her own gas in that footage it would cast a lot of doubt in her claims she was kidnapped.
http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-ne...uld-shed-light-on-montana-kidnapping/41631000
I would take what the daughter 'knows' with a grain of salt.

 

[blue22]

Which what she is saying is contradicted on the record in the media as the FBI has seized gas pump footage:
Maze had called her husband on her cell phone to say that she had been kidnapped but now surveillance cameras in Kingston, Idaho could tell a different story. The Kwik Stop in Kingston is one of at least two places where Maze's credit card was used the day she disappeared. The question is who was seen on surveillance video pumping $25 of gas that afternoon, Maze or someone else?


Kwik Stop employees say they don't know the answer because they never looked at the video. The FBI asked for a specific time frame and the store handed over the footage.

Kwik Stop employees say the footage taken at the gas pumps is no longer in their surveillance system, but the FBI have a copy. If Maze was seen pumping her own gas in that footage it would cast a lot of doubt in her claims she was kidnapped.
http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-ne...uld-shed-light-on-montana-kidnapping/41631000
I would take what the daughter 'knows' with a grain of salt.

Different station that has nothing to do with her refute. That article is not about the convenience store in Ritzville. The Daily Mail claims their photo was at the store in Ritzville, your article is about the other station. The refute was that the card was used only at the pump in Ritzville and there were not cameras at the pump.

 

[Tillicum]

Which what she is saying is contradicted on the record in the media as the FBI has seized gas pump footage:
Maze had called her husband on her cell phone to say that she had been kidnapped but now surveillance cameras in Kingston, Idaho could tell a different story. The Kwik Stop in Kingston is one of at least two places where Maze's credit card was used the day she disappeared. The question is who was seen on surveillance video pumping $25 of gas that afternoon, Maze or someone else?

Kwik Stop employees say they don't know the answer because they never looked at the video. The FBI asked for a specific time frame and the store handed over the footage.

Kwik Stop employees say the footage taken at the gas pumps is no longer in their surveillance system, but the FBI have a copy. If Maze was seen pumping her own gas in that footage it would cast a lot of doubt in her claims she was kidnapped.
http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-ne...uld-shed-light-on-montana-kidnapping/41631000
I would take what the daughter 'knows' with a grain of salt.

I'm confused (again). Was daughter referring to this location or the one in Ritzville?

"I don't understand the angle. Taking that angle is ludicrous to say the least." "She didn't kill herself, She was murdered,” Kaufman said.

She has gone to the gas station in Ritzville where Maze told family members she was kidnapped.

"While I was in Ritzville, I was able to talk to some people and verify that she was not in their store, A large man was in their store using her card. Which is what she described,” Kaufman said.

http://www.nwcn.com/news/local/spok...d-they-want-answers-after-her-death/316789897

 

[blue22]

I'm confused (again). Was daughter referring to this location or the one in Ritzville?

"I don't understand the angle. Taking that angle is ludicrous to say the least." "She didn't kill herself, She was murdered,” Kaufman said.

She has gone to the gas station in Ritzville where Maze told family members she was kidnapped.

"While I was in Ritzville, I was able to talk to some people and verify that she was not in their store, A large man was in their store using her card. Which is what she described,” Kaufman said.

http://www.nwcn.com/news/local/spok...d-they-want-answers-after-her-death/316789897

Ritzville. The daughter has said the card was used at the pump only in Ritzville.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Different station that has nothing to do with her refute. That article is not about the convenience store in Ritzville. The Daily Mail claims their photo was at the store in Ritzville, your article is about the other station. The refute was that the card was used only at the pump in Ritzville and there were not cameras at the pump.

Actually it does since she made a global comment about any footage during the trip as this was the comment that she was responding to about footage being obtained anywhere along the way:
It's pretty discouraging that the FBI hasn't figured out what happened yet. Someone drove the car from MT to WA, put gas in it, and used her credit card... That person must be on video somewhere
And this was her response about footage from anywhere on the trip:
The gas stations did not have cameras at the pumps. I do know that. So no, they dont. They are doing all they can. It takes time. Forensics, they have to get DNA and fingerprints from myself, my dad, and anyone that was in the car or touched it to rule out DNA. The autopsy takes time to write up. Bullistics from the gun, that takes time. It all takes time. I believe they are working as hard as they can.
If we're going to look at the social media responses she's making, you have to see what she is responding to as she wasn't making a general comment about the article but instead responding to someone's comment in the article about the availability of any footage during the entire trip and she answered that by speaking plural about multiple gas stations.