My brother, Bobby Steele, missing 10 mos, body found in enclosed wall, Willmington, Delaware - 11 April 2023

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I’m very sorry about your brother. Thing that puzzles me the most is you don’t even have DNA confirmation that it was your brother. Think I would be pushing for that. I would also be trying to track down that girl to talk to. There is absolutely no reason for them not to give you his information, unless there is something bigger going on. The bathroom is seriously confusing…..seems more like something kids would do.
Elkton PD gave me a summary of the DNA report that Wilmington PD gave them. The really odd thing about it is that they supposedly tested a rib bone from the body with a toothbrush I submitted to Elkton PD. I told the detective when I submitted it that I was not even sure it was his, it had sat in a box on my washer for 3 months before I was asked to submit it, and if it was used by him the max amount of times he used it could only have been 4 or 5 because I gave it to him when he arrived at my house. He disappeared less than 3 days later. I also provided them with 2 samples of my DNA that the detective took when I was there. Wilmington PD DID NOT compare my sample to the sample taken from the body, instead claiming to have used the toothbrush. I asked for all samples to be released to me for retesting purposes and the only thing released was my sample, still in the sealed evidence bag that Elkton PD sealed when I gave it to them.
 
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Demolition crew
 
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Elkton PD gave me a summary of the DNA report that Wilmington PD gave them. The really odd thing about it is that they supposedly tested a rib bone from the body with a toothbrush I submitted to Elkton PD. I told the detective when I submitted it that I was not even sure it was his, it had sat in a box on my washer for 3 months before I was asked to submit it, and if it was used by him the max amount of times he used it could only have been 4 or 5 because I gave it to him when he arrived at my house. He disappeared less than 3 days later. I also provided them with 2 samples of my DNA that the detective took when I was there. Wilmington PD DID NOT compare my sample to the sample taken from the body, instead claiming to have used the toothbrush. I asked for all samples to be released to me for retesting purposes and the only thing released was my sample, still in the sealed evidence bag that Elkton PD sealed when I gave it to them.
Oh man this is crazy. My heart goes out to you because my ADD brain would be spinning. Then reading the wall was only 12 inches wide, how could he even fit in there. Kind of wondered why a building that was set to be demolished had an alarm system. Would there be any reason that you can think of he would even be there?
 
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Oh man this is crazy. My heart goes out to you because my ADD brain would be spinning. Then reading the wall was only 12 inches wide, how could he even fit in there. Kind of wondered why a building that was set to be demolished had an alarm system. Would there be any reason that you can think of he would even be there?
Exactly why i am up every night trying to find anything that makes sense. It's not that I am unable to process the loss, I just need to understand how what they are saying happened could have possibly happened. The demo guy that found the body absolutely could not comprehend how he could have gotten in the wall, with his arms at his side, with none of his belongings, especially with such a small opening to get in the space. He 100% said that he could have been put into the wall by 2 people trying to hide a body.
 
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Exactly why i am up every night trying to find anything that makes sense. It's not that I am unable to process the loss, I just need to understand how what they are saying happened could have possibly happened. The demo guy that found the body absolutely could not comprehend how he could have gotten in the wall, with his arms at his side, with none of his belongings, especially with such a small opening to get in the space. He 100% said that he could have been put into the wall by 2 people trying to hide a body.
Gezz I’m not even sure how he could be put in a space so tight. Unless his body was decomposed and his bones were put there (sorry to say that). Think I would put pressure on the GA to tell you something. I wonder if the owners of the building had run ins with police or did shady stuff in the past. Maybe his death is part of something bigger, that’s all I can figure. Actually trying to figure it all out is how you process the loss….kind of been there, but not in this crazy of a situation.
 
  • #47
Think I would ask around any of his friends, what their thoughts are. If he had any connections to this place. I would definitely be trying to find the girl that LE was looking for.
 
  • #48
Unfortunately, i believe in SOME cases, LE does not take certain missing persons reports seriously..as in people who have runaway before, struggled with drug addiction, or known prostitutes. Sad...not knowing where and/or what happened to a family member or friend must be devastating!
 
  • #49
I’ve read through this thread several times @Klcanning. You have been a tenacious advocate for your brother! That is so commendable. I’m very sorry for your loss and that you have hit so many roadblocks. My heart goes out to you.

These parts of your posts raised some thoughts and questions…
I apologize that they are graphic. I’m trying to get a sense of how and why Bobby ended up in the pipe chase. Please don’t read or answer if it will upset you.
Bobby was found in a building in the business district of Wilmington, Delaware that was eventually planning to be demolished. He had no access to the building as it was locked and secured by an alarm, and yet he somehow ended up dead in a pipe chase that was enclosed, his skeleton ripped in half and split between the 4th and 5th floor. He was missing all belongings,(laptop, cell phone, book bag, wallet, watch, and 2 necklaces), and when his body was found his pants had been removed after he became nothing but a skeleton proven by a scrap of denim left on the bone.
BBM
I think it’s more likely his pants were removed before he became skeletonized. A scrap of denim could have stuck to his skin and then to his bone. The reason I say that is that the news article you posted said he was dressed in the clothing he wore when he left (except for the pants), including shoes when he was found. I think it would be practically impossible to move a partially dressed (or even undressed) skeleton and put it in a pipe chase without it falling apart. I assume it was relatively intact.

QUESTION: When you say that the skeleton was ripped in half and split between the 4th and 5th floor, do you mean the length of his body or across it at his waist where the pants had been removed? The latter makes the most sense to me. Do you think that was done before he was hidden there to make it easier to fit or happened naturally with the vertebrae separating.

Per the owner, the supervisor, and 2 different demolition company employees/owners they assumed that Bobby broke in with no tools because there were none found anywhere on site, got scared or was trying to hide from someone and trashed the 5th floor bathroom, using the toilets that were removed from the wall and floor with again NO TOOLS to barricade the door. They stated that they had to shove the door to the bathroom hard to open it because of the toilets and discovered the room was empty and the window was broken, so they assumed he jumped out the 5th floor window of a flat brick building and landed in the parking lot below...alive enough to apparently run away. They never looked for him, they never notified the police, and when they returned to the property a month later and smelled a bad odor, they said they attributed that to the toilets being torn out and it potentially being sewer gas.
The other reason I think he was placed there shortly after he died/was killed is the odor the demo people detected a month after their initial search of the building described above. There wouldn’t have been an odor if he was already a skeleton.

QUESTION: Was the pipe chase where he was found in the same area as the bathroom that had the toilets removed to block the door as described above? If he was found there it makes sense that whoever put him there would block the door to prevent Bobby’s discovery as long as possible. They brought tools and took them when they left.

The demo guy that found the body absolutely could not comprehend how he could have gotten in the wall, with his arms at his side, with none of his belongings, especially with such a small opening to get in the space. He 100% said that he could have been put into the wall by 2 people trying to hide a body.
I agree with the demo guy that he could have been put into the wall by 2 people trying to hide his body. Your brother was very slender, so they could make it work. How they got into the building and out again if they had shoved toilets against the bathroom door is a mystery. To me it points to someone who had access to the building. Perhaps a previous employee of whatever business(es) that had occupied the building. Or the owner’s family. I would see what you can find out about people like this (names, any arrests, any connection to your brother, etc).

QUESTION: When you talked to your brother on the phone did he sound high? You mentioned he wasn’t making sense. To me, this sounds like hiding a drug overdose by those who supplied the drugs and taking all his possessions for payment. It was an awful lot of trouble to go to in order to hide his body, so it seems like something else was being covered up. Of course it could have been a robbery/murder situation. Or a lover’s triangle gone wrong (sorry, the missing pants made me think of that, but they were probably removed to make him fit better in the wall.)

What do you think about contacting his friends, acquaintances and counselors again, just to talk about what happened to Bobby? You might pick up some little pieces of information or leads. I would do this after you’ve tried to find out who had access to the building and see if any of the names sound familiar to his friends, etc.

And definitely check pawn shops, etc.

Again, I’m sorry about these rather gruesome questions. I hope they end up giving you some answers. Big hugs!
 
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Well whom ever got in the building didn’t arrive from the 5th floor, so there was another way in. There’s no glass on the bathroom floor, that window was broken out. The bathroom door was blocked by toilets. So either others had a rope and climbed out or your brother was there alone.
 
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The owner of the building that Bobby was found deceased in "searched" the building with his maintenance supervisor and another person 3 days after he disappeared because someone reported a broken window on the 5th floor. Per the owner, the supervisor, and 2 different demolition company employees/owners they assumed that Bobby broke in with no tools because there were none found anywhere on site, got scared or was trying to hide from someone and trashed the 5th floor bathroom, using the toilets that were removed from the wall and floor with again NO TOOLS to barricade the door. They stated that they had to shove the door to the bathroom hard to open it because of the toilets and discovered the room was empty and the window was broken, so they assumed he jumped out the 5th floor window of a flat brick building and landed in the parking lot below...alive enough to apparently run away. They never looked for him, they never notified the police, and when they returned to the property a month later and smelled a bad odor, they said they attributed that to the toilets being torn out and it potentially being sewer gas. The police took their story as the facts of what happened when his skeleton was found in the wall of that building 10 months later and the investigation was pretty much over. The building is gone, all evidence was disposed of with his body, and I am left to investigate this on my own. There are pictures attached of the building, the bathroom, and a recreation of how small the space actually was.
looks from the picture like some one might be able to get into the stairwells...were all those locked? hard to tell what parts of the building were intact in April. was there a way into the pipe chase from the ceiling? If his body was dropped from above, maybe it just fell and lodged.
 
  • #52
I am so sorry for your loss.
 
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Here's the roof of that building,
601 Delaware Ave Wilmington DE.JPG

601 Delaware Ave, Wilmington, DE:
Code:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/EGSDfgTPM31miJ3n9
Difficult to discern what the dark dots around and just in from
the building edges are. (I looked for more than 1/2 an hour at
drone flights of Wilmington, DE, and there is no other clear
views of the top of this building that I could find.) Roof vents?

Google walking around 601 Delaware Ave, the buildings front door,
the area above the front door and the font of the numbering '601',
as well as the buildings rear brickwork (and the 'good luck'
swastika symbol that was thereon) suggest the building was built
in the 1930's or earlier.

I believe it would have been possible to access the roof by
going to the topmost level of the exterior staircase at the
northmost corner of the building and climbing the vertical steel
beam bolted to the brick building and onto the steel
staircase roof and hence onto the building roof.
(I also wonder if it was possible from the external stairway to
access the building internal rectangular stairwell (via an
internal corridor that didn't give access to the rest of the
floor, because corridor doors were locked?) - if so, there may
have been vents in that interior stairwell which might have been
used to access the pipechase void?)

(The pipechase void might be difficult for people to visulize
- the only example that I can suggest is something like that
vertical 'filmset' crawlspace depicted in the movie 'The Matrix'
i.e. 'the interior wetwall', albeit not as roomy as that.)

However it was done, the pipechase was accessed and I suggest
used to enter the bathroom (as shown in the pictures posted by
the OP here);
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https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/my-brother-bobby-steele-missing-10-mos-body-found-in-enclosed-wall-willmington-delaware-11-april-2023.717033/post-19168692

So imagine you are now on that floor, but the doors to the
interior stairwell can't be opened, say the workmen had
attached strong hasps and padlocks on the doors or nailed them
shut. How would you steal anything on that floor? You can hardly
take anything out via the pipechase, you need both hands free
to wriggle through that. So, say your confederate(s) on the roof
have some thin rope which they lower down to the bathroom windows.
You smash the small window (smaller windows make less noise when
they break and are less noticeable broken) but suppose the wind
is blowing the rope away from the building wall? OK, open the
larger window (opens outwards slightly), it's still difficult to
reach the rope, you get exasperated and smash the large glass
out (note some glass pieces in the pictures possibly removed
from the frame and placed on the interior window ledge).
You now have the rope end but without a weight on it, the wind
blows it out again. Weigh the end down? (We can see in the
picture on that interior window ledge, a plumbing fitting that
you could place the rope under to stop it blowing away).

Now, what are you stealing that you intend to attach to the
rope? [Shrug] We can only theorize, maybe the workmen left power
tools there, maybe that building had interior metal fittings
that might fetch some money as scrap metal, heck, maybe the
plumbing fittings (which the workmen probably previously
detached and left stacked in the bathroom) were pre-atomic age
steel or were refurbished in the 1950's and were stainless steel?

Points that are not certain, are, the building supervisor said
there were no tools but did he mean 'no tools belonging to
the thieves were left' (but possibly tools belonging to the
workmen were there, known and were discounted?). Also, when
did the building supervisor check the building? Sure, "3 days
after he {Steele} disappeared", but was that during the day or
at night (was some alarm triggered? was any such alarm audible
outside the building {loud} or only inside the building {soft,
like a beeping}). The thieves may or may not have been spooked.

Another possibility is that there was actually nothing worth
stealing on that floor. The (already detached) bathroom ceramics
were simply picked up and placed against the bathroom door as a
thieves 'force of habit' precaution - if it was difficult getting
into the pipechase throught the hole in the bathroom, maybe the
spooked thief wanted to make sure no-one would be grabbing him
when he was only half way into the hole. Or maybe he had plans
to come back to steal something that he needed some specific tool
for to detach and steal, the 'placing the ceramics against the door'
was only to warn him when he came back (day(s) later?) if anyone
had since then discovered the break-in and notified the police
to occaisionally drive-by & check the building (e.g. for flash-
lights shining in the windows, for people on the exterior
stairs or anyone acting as a lookout about the building street
level).

Regardless of what happened as theorized above, it appears that
once in the pipechase, Mr Steele wriggled his way up past the
piping but slipped and fell down somewhat. In that confined
space, imagine falling down even a short distance but getting
your upper torso jammed so you couldn't breath and were
asphyxiated, or you as falling, simply caught your chin on a
pipe so it would be like execution hanging victims where your
neck is instantly broken. Maybe you could have fallen head first
and landed on pipes on your head, breaking your neck and leaving
the upper half of your body jammed with the lower half vertically
or horizontally hanging free of the pipes.

The body was stated as broken into two separate pieces and stated
as being a skeleton and stated as the pants "ripped off" (about
the ankles or completely off?). Whilst I doubt it was completely
skeletal, there are possible explanations.

The picture of Mr Steele walking away
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shows him with bulging
pockets which could have caught on something as he fell. If he
initially fell headfirst, given the closeness of the enclosing
walls and piping in there, an initially headfirst fall may
simply have ripped his pants off him or to about his ankles.
Assume the building had a population of rats. After death, any
corpse could be subject to being preyed on by such rats. That
would explain why a body some 10 months later was found to be
described as skeletal. Also, assume as I suggested that the
lower half of the body was hanging free of the piping. Would
the weight of the lower part of a body hanging free after death
eventually cause it to separate from the top half? I don't know,
but, grisly as it is, I also have to point out the possibility
that eventually, the removal of the connective tissue about the
backbone by rats might cause the lower half of a body hanging
free to separate and fall from the top half.

It has to be considered which is more likely - that some
person(s) murdered him and then actioned the 'difficult to
understand how it could be achieved' act of getting his body
into such an enclosed, very difficult to access space, or that
Mr Steele died as a result of misadventure, albeit during the
performance of a fairly low level criminal enterprize.

The police may consider that his death was "undetermined by
the Medical Examiner but not suspicious by the Wilmington PD",
that doesn't mean that the police don't plan to lay charges
(if any confederate(s) can be identified).
I suggest the police hold the hope of laying more serious
charges than breaking/entering against any confederate(s) -
a man died after all and any such confederate(s) didn't report
the likely death.
 
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I’ve read through this thread several times @Klcanning. You have been a tenacious advocate for your brother! That is so commendable. I’m very sorry for your loss and that you have hit so many roadblocks. My heart goes out to you.

These parts of your posts raised some thoughts and questions…
I apologize that they are graphic. I’m trying to get a sense of how and why Bobby ended up in the pipe chase. Please don’t read or answer if it will upset you.

BBM
I think it’s more likely his pants were removed before he became skeletonized. A scrap of denim could have stuck to his skin and then to his bone. The reason I say that is that the news article you posted said he was dressed in the clothing he wore when he left (except for the pants), including shoes when he was found. I think it would be practically impossible to move a partially dressed (or even undressed) skeleton and put it in a pipe chase without it falling apart. I assume it was relatively intact.

QUESTION: When you say that the skeleton was ripped in half and split between the 4th and 5th floor, do you mean the length of his body or across it at his waist where the pants had been removed? The latter makes the most sense to me. Do you think that was done before he was hidden there to make it easier to fit or happened naturally with the vertebrae separating.


The other reason I think he was placed there shortly after he died/was killed is the odor the demo people detected a month after their initial search of the building described above. There wouldn’t have been an odor if he was already a skeleton.

QUESTION: Was the pipe chase where he was found in the same area as the bathroom that had the toilets removed to block the door as described above? If he was found there it makes sense that whoever put him there would block the door to prevent Bobby’s discovery as long as possible. They brought tools and took them when they left.


I agree with the demo guy that he could have been put into the wall by 2 people trying to hide his body. Your brother was very slender, so they could make it work. How they got into the building and out again if they had shoved toilets against the bathroom door is a mystery. To me it points to someone who had access to the building. Perhaps a previous employee of whatever business(es) that had occupied the building. Or the owner’s family. I would see what you can find out about people like this (names, any arrests, any connection to your brother, etc).

QUESTION: When you talked to your brother on the phone did he sound high? You mentioned he wasn’t making sense. To me, this sounds like hiding a drug overdose by those who supplied the drugs and taking all his possessions for payment. It was an awful lot of trouble to go to in order to hide his body, so it seems like something else was being covered up. Of course it could have been a robbery/murder situation. Or a lover’s triangle gone wrong (sorry, the missing pants made me think of that, but they were probably removed to make him fit better in the wall.)

What do you think about contacting his friends, acquaintances and counselors again, just to talk about what happened to Bobby? You might pick up some little pieces of information or leads. I would do this after you’ve tried to find out who had access to the building and see if any of the names sound familiar to his friends, etc.

And definitely check pawn shops, etc.

Again, I’m sorry about these rather gruesome questions. I hope they end up giving you some answers. Big hugs!
 
  • #55
Hi and thank you for taking the time to read about Bobby. Below are my answers to your questions.

-I believe he was put into the wall very shortly after death, but maybe when he was in rigor mortis. I am certain that he went into the building on April 11th, the day he disappeared from my house, and the building was searched by the owner on the 14th. They searched because someone reported hearing the exterior generator alarm going off that morning, which caused them to then notice the broken glass from the 5th floor bathroom on the ground in the parking lot.

-His body was in the pipe chase long ways, his feet had been standing on a pipe on the fourth floor and the upper part of his body was on the lower half of the fifth floor. I believe that his pants were pulled off of his body the day his body was discovered, and that force is what caused his body to break in half at the waist level, his shoes were forced off, and the scrap of denim found on his skeleton was also left there because of the force of the pulling off of the pants. The person that is known to have initially foundBobby's body states without question that the pants were visible with him in the pipe chase. The next person to have contact with his body states that the pants were removed and thrown in the corner of the 4th floor bathroom with the pockets turned inside out.This man knew the size of the pants, the brand of the pants, described in detail the belt Bobby was wearing that was still attached through the belt loops in the jeans, and was able to tell me the brand of his shoes. He theorized that the asbestos removal crew that was there in October/November must have seen the body and removed the pants to search the pockets for anything valuable. He stated this because they had access to the space where Bobby's body was found through holes knocked in the walls on each floor needed to clear out the asbestos pipes. He was unwilling to provide names of the workers, and when we contacted the owner of the asbestos removal company, well lets just say that he was uncooperative.

-The bathroom that was destroyed was the same bathroom where the pipe chase containing Bobby's body was located. I spent so much time looking at the pictures of the destroyed bathroom and I honestly don't think it happened in April of 2023. There is settled dust and grime everywhere, the water stains on the ceiling tiles that are clearly from the toilet are brown and look old, there is no significant water damage anywhere in the bathroom and yet the water was on at the time they searched the building on 4/14/2023.

-When I talked to him on the phone on 4/11/2023 he did not sound high at all, he actually initially sounded like he was the Bobby I grew up with. He said, in an almost joking way, " How long did it take you to realize I left?" and I yelled at him from the start that I knew immediately because I have a ring camera. And then I expressed that I was annoyed that he didn't tell me that he was leaving and he went into having supposedly told me that he was going to see his boy "********" on Market Street, which he did not ever mention to me. I was able to request and receive all of his medical records, including from his substance abuse DR, and with those records are the results of all of his bi-weekly drug screens for the last 4 years. He was not using anything other than prescribed medication for the majority of that time, including the time period directly before I picked him up to come to my house.

-His ex knows what happened and the police will not even talk to her. I also have his Facebook data, received through a search warrant that Elkton PD was able to obtain while still conducting the missing person investigation. The Wilmington PD and the Delaware Deputy AG's office said this data wasn't important or relevant, so it was released to me...and it is most certainly important and relevant. It shows that the ex did not even attempt to reach out to him through Facebook until May 1st, which was the same day that I posted for the first time that he was missing. She also changed her profile status to WIDOWED over a week before anyone knew he was missing.
 
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This picture was sent to me by the demo guy that found Bobby's body. The feet in the blue are people from the Division of Forensic Science, kind of sick that they were letting a demolition crew member take pictures of my brothers body. The wall has been pulled down at the direction of the DOFS team to attempt to gain access to begin removal of Bobby's body. This gives a bit of clarity into how small the space was.Notice that there is really no damage to the pipe or wall? Doesn't appear he tried to fight to get out.
 

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Here's the roof of that building,
View attachment 550164
601 Delaware Ave, Wilmington, DE:
Code:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/EGSDfgTPM31miJ3n9
Difficult to discern what the dark dots around and just in from
the building edges are. (I looked for more than 1/2 an hour at
drone flights of Wilmington, DE, and there is no other clear
views of the top of this building that I could find.) Roof vents?

Google walking around 601 Delaware Ave, the buildings front door,
the area above the front door and the font of the numbering '601',
as well as the buildings rear brickwork (and the 'good luck'
swastika symbol that was thereon) suggest the building was built
in the 1930's or earlier.

I believe it would have been possible to access the roof by
going to the topmost level of the exterior staircase at the
northmost corner of the building and climbing the vertical steel
beam bolted to the brick building and onto the steel
staircase roof and hence onto the building roof.
(I also wonder if it was possible from the external stairway to
access the building internal rectangular stairwell (via an
internal corridor that didn't give access to the rest of the
floor, because corridor doors were locked?) - if so, there may
have been vents in that interior stairwell which might have been
used to access the pipechase void?)

(The pipechase void might be difficult for people to visulize
- the only example that I can suggest is something like that
vertical 'filmset' crawlspace depicted in the movie 'The Matrix'
i.e. 'the interior wetwall', albeit not as roomy as that.)

However it was done, the pipechase was accessed and I suggest
used to enter the bathroom (as shown in the pictures posted by
the OP here);
Code:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/my-brother-bobby-steele-missing-10-mos-body-found-in-enclosed-wall-willmington-delaware-11-april-2023.717033/post-19168692

So imagine you are now on that floor, but the doors to the
interior stairwell can't be opened, say the workmen had
attached strong hasps and padlocks on the doors or nailed them
shut. How would you steal anything on that floor? You can hardly
take anything out via the pipechase, you need both hands free
to wriggle through that. So, say your confederate(s) on the roof
have some thin rope which they lower down to the bathroom windows.
You smash the small window (smaller windows make less noise when
they break and are less noticeable broken) but suppose the wind
is blowing the rope away from the building wall? OK, open the
larger window (opens outwards slightly), it's still difficult to
reach the rope, you get exasperated and smash the large glass
out (note some glass pieces in the pictures possibly removed
from the frame and placed on the interior window ledge).
You now have the rope end but without a weight on it, the wind
blows it out again. Weigh the end down? (We can see in the
picture on that interior window ledge, a plumbing fitting that
you could place the rope under to stop it blowing away).

Now, what are you stealing that you intend to attach to the
rope? [Shrug] We can only theorize, maybe the workmen left power
tools there, maybe that building had interior metal fittings
that might fetch some money as scrap metal, heck, maybe the
plumbing fittings (which the workmen probably previously
detached and left stacked in the bathroom) were pre-atomic age
steel or were refurbished in the 1950's and were stainless steel?

Points that are not certain, are, the building supervisor said
there were no tools but did he mean 'no tools belonging to
the thieves were left' (but possibly tools belonging to the
workmen were there, known and were discounted?). Also, when
did the building supervisor check the building? Sure, "3 days
after he {Steele} disappeared", but was that during the day or
at night (was some alarm triggered? was any such alarm audible
outside the building {loud} or only inside the building {soft,
like a beeping}). The thieves may or may not have been spooked.

Another possibility is that there was actually nothing worth
stealing on that floor. The (already detached) bathroom ceramics
were simply picked up and placed against the bathroom door as a
thieves 'force of habit' precaution - if it was difficult getting
into the pipechase throught the hole in the bathroom, maybe the
spooked thief wanted to make sure no-one would be grabbing him
when he was only half way into the hole. Or maybe he had plans
to come back to steal something that he needed some specific tool
for to detach and steal, the 'placing the ceramics against the door'
was only to warn him when he came back (day(s) later?) if anyone
had since then discovered the break-in and notified the police
to occaisionally drive-by & check the building (e.g. for flash-
lights shining in the windows, for people on the exterior
stairs or anyone acting as a lookout about the building street
level).

Regardless of what happened as theorized above, it appears that
once in the pipechase, Mr Steele wriggled his way up past the
piping but slipped and fell down somewhat. In that confined
space, imagine falling down even a short distance but getting
your upper torso jammed so you couldn't breath and were
asphyxiated, or you as falling, simply caught your chin on a
pipe so it would be like execution hanging victims where your
neck is instantly broken. Maybe you could have fallen head first
and landed on pipes on your head, breaking your neck and leaving
the upper half of your body jammed with the lower half vertically
or horizontally hanging free of the pipes.

The body was stated as broken into two separate pieces and stated
as being a skeleton and stated as the pants "ripped off" (about
the ankles or completely off?). Whilst I doubt it was completely
skeletal, there are possible explanations.

The picture of Mr Steele walking away
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shows him with bulging
pockets which could have caught on something as he fell. If he
initially fell headfirst, given the closeness of the enclosing
walls and piping in there, an initially headfirst fall may
simply have ripped his pants off him or to about his ankles.
Assume the building had a population of rats. After death, any
corpse could be subject to being preyed on by such rats. That
would explain why a body some 10 months later was found to be
described as skeletal. Also, assume as I suggested that the
lower half of the body was hanging free of the piping. Would
the weight of the lower part of a body hanging free after death
eventually cause it to separate from the top half? I don't know,
but, grisly as it is, I also have to point out the possibility
that eventually, the removal of the connective tissue about the
backbone by rats might cause the lower half of a body hanging
free to separate and fall from the top half.

It has to be considered which is more likely - that some
person(s) murdered him and then actioned the 'difficult to
understand how it could be achieved' act of getting his body
into such an enclosed, very difficult to access space, or that
Mr Steele died as a result of misadventure, albeit during the
performance of a fairly low level criminal enterprize.

The police may consider that his death was "undetermined by
the Medical Examiner but not suspicious by the Wilmington PD",
that doesn't mean that the police don't plan to lay charges
(if any confederate(s) can be identified).
I suggest the police hold the hope of laying more serious
charges than breaking/entering against any confederate(s) -
a man died after all and any such confederate(s) didn't report
the likely death.
Thank you for the time spent on my brother's death investigation, I truly will never be able to express my gratitude to every person that took time to listen to the incredible injustice that began the day he disappeared. Please read the comments I have added to another members questions below, as they do answer some of the things mentioned in your post.

There are a few things I can answer that might help to provide a bit of clarity. Bobby was definitely not found upside down, he did not fall down the pipe chase and hit his head or chin. There was not enough space in the pipe chase for him to fall or anything for him to hit his head or chin on, in addition, he had no trauma to his skull or skeleton.

The owner of the building stated that the building was accessed through the 5th floor fire escape window being broken open from the outside, which is exactly what I would expect him to say because that removes all liability from him and his company because of the DE laws protecting business owners. If someone that worked for the company gave Bobby access then the company could be liable for his death, if he was trespassing then they are off the hook.The wild part is that he actually stated to me that when they didn't see anyone in the 5th floor bathroom and observed the broken window, they just assumed he PROPELLED down the 5 story building to the parking lot below...and survived. They did not notify the police, they did not notify the surrounding businesses, they didn't even bother to alert the hospital next door that someone might have jumped out of a 5th floor window into a parking lot!!!
 
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Thanks so much for your detailed answers @Klcanning. I’m mulling them over, but I’m a little confused about who the two men are described here:
he person that is known to have initially foundBobby's body states without question that the pants were visible with him in the pipe chase. The next person to have contact with his body states that the pants were removed and thrown in the corner of the 4th floor bathroom with the pockets turned inside out.This man knew the size of the pants, the brand of the pants, described in detail the belt Bobby was wearing that was still attached through the belt loops in the jeans, and was able to tell me the brand of his shoes. He theorized that the asbestos removal crew that was there in October/November must have seen the body and removed the pants to search the pockets for anything valuable.
BBM
Demo Guy was the first person to find Bobby’s body in February and said his pants were on, but the second guy to have contact with his body (when?) said they were off, thrown in a corner, possibly removed by the asbestos guys in October/November. The time frame doesn’t make sense if the second guy is right about the pants being off months earlier. Are you sure the second guy didn’t remove his pants, since he knew so much about them? Was he a cop? And you believe “that his pants were pulled off of his body the day his body was discovered,” I’m really confused…which isn’t unusual for me.

EDIT: Added opinion of Klcanning.
 
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Thanks so much for your detailed answers @Klcanning. I’m mulling them over, but I’m a little confused about who the two men are described here:

BBM
Demo Guy was the first person to find Bobby’s body in February and said his pants were on, but the second guy to have contact with his body (when?) said they were off, thrown in a corner, possibly removed by the asbestos guys in October/November. The time frame doesn’t make sense if the second guy is right about the pants being off months earlier. Are you sure the second guy didn’t remove his pants, since he knew so much about them? Was he a cop? And you believe “that his pants were pulled off of his body the day his body was discovered,” I’m really confused…which isn’t unusual for me.

EDIT: Added opinion of Klcanning.
The second person was the same day Bobby's body was found on 2/16/2024. There were only minutes between the 2very different description of the location of the pants.
 
  • #60
The second person was the same day Bobby's body was found on 2/16/2024. There were only minutes between the 2very different description of the location of the pants.
Interesting. I’m really curious about #2 guy being able to rattle off all the info about the jeans and shoe sizes, plus have a theory involving the asbestos crew months earlier. Personally, I’d look into both #1 and #2 guys. One of them is lying and/or trying to divert attention for some reason.

JMO
 

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