My doubts about the case

[Ivy]

Argument aside, BC, what does bringing a stun gun into the picture do to either prove or disprove that an intruder, and not a family member or close friend, killed JonBenet?

Nothing.

imo

 

[BlueCrab]

Argument aside, BC, what does bringing a stun gun into the picture do to either prove or disprove that an intruder, and not a family member or close friend, killed JonBenet?

Nothing.

imo

Ivy, you're right. The use of a stun gun doesn't prove or disprove that an intruder killed JonBenet. In fact, there was definitely no intruder because the Ramseys wouldn't continually lie and cover up to protect an intruder. But they would lie and cover up to protect a family member and/or a young houseguest. Thus, a Ramsey is certainly directly involved in this murder.

What the proof of a stun gun being used on JonBenet would likely establish is PREMEDITATION. IMO the death was not accidental if a stun gun had been used. Of course, it would be unclear whether its purpose was to obtain compliance during a sexual act, or to inflict torture, or to achieve some other kind of hideous goal. In any event, it had to be planned. Otherwise, there wouldn't have been a need for the stun gun in the first place.

There are five things I'm fairly certain about in this case:

o a stun gun was used

o Burke Ramsey is involved

o Doug Stine and/or Nathan Inouye may also have been involved

o the parents are covering it up

o the crime was solved by the grand jury


JMO

 

[TLynn]

A Taser is Smit's theory - the coroner called them "abrasions" - whatever, whatever...we'll never have a scientific fact to back up anyone's opinion. And, no one wanted the answer bad enough to exume JonBenet. It's better to confuse!

The Crime Scene -

It was JAR's semen found at the crime scene - not Burke's.

It was JAR's suitcase - not Burke's.

It was JAR's comforter in the suitcase that had fibers consistent with the fibers found on JonBenet - not Burke's.

It was JAR's flashlight - not Burke's.

Fibers consistent with Patsy were found - not Burke's.

Now, if the above is justified by it being a cover-up; then what is the evidence Burke was involved?

Patsy's fingerprints were also on the bowl of pineapple - not just Burke's.

Burke's knife was hidden from him.

If you're trying to justify a cover-up - meaning, Burke was involved so the Ramseys covered for him; there's always the possible prior sexual abuse that was being covered up - that doesn't isolate Burke as a suspect, either...

There's dad, big brother, close friends, relatives, etc. who could have sexually abused.

 

[BrotherMoon]

There's dad, big brother, close friends, relatives, etc. who could have sexually abused.

Mom too. And of the people on this list, only Patsy is known to have dressed her daughter up in those Vegas showgirl costumes and to have coached the suggestive expressions into her pageant performances.

As children grow up, healthy parents help establish a boundary between themselves and their children. Unhealthy people cross those boundaries. Of the people on the above list, only Patsy showed signs of identity fusion with JonBenet.

 

[BlueCrab]

Patsy's fingerprints were also on the bowl of pineapple - not just Burke's.

TLynn,

Yes, both Patsy's and Burke's fingerprints were on the bowl containing the pineapple, but Patsy was the one who emptied the dishwasher and put the bowl away in the cabinet. It is inevitable that her fingerprints would be on the bowl because dishes don't put themselves away.

Burke's fingerprints are on the bowl because it was he who handled the bowl after the bowl was put away in the cabinet.

If it had been Patsy then two sets of her fingerprints would be on the bowl.

If it had been John then his fingerprints would be on the bowl.

If it had been JonBenet then her fingerprints would be on the bowl.

If it had been an intruder then his fingerprints would be on the bowl.

BURKE'S FINGERPRINTS WERE ON THE BOWL.

The fingerprint evidence on the bowl of pineapple strongly suggests Burke was secretly downstairs with JonBenet after the parents went to bed and about 2 hours before she died.

JMO

 

[BrotherMoon]

The fingerprint evidence on the bowl of pineapple strongly suggests Burke was secretly downstairs with JonBenet after the parents went to bed and about 2 hours before she died.

JMO

Only to you, BC.

 

[BlueCrab]

Only to you, BC.

BrotherMoon,

I don't think you'd recognize a piece of hard evidence if it bit you in the .

JMO

 

[BrotherMoon]

BrotherMoon,

I don't think you'd recognize a piece of hard evidence if it bit you in the .

JMO

Many, many, many of your assertions are easily defuted.

Such as, concluding Burke was with JonBenet 2 hrs. before she died just because his fingerprints were on the bowl. That's a guess, a consideration, a possibilty, not a conclusion.

 

[Ivy]

BC said:
"The fingerprint evidence on the bowl of pineapple strongly suggests Burke was secretly downstairs with JonBenet after the parents went to bed and about 2 hours before she died."

Also...Burke was the tea drinker in the family, and a glass and a teabag were found on the table near the bowl of pineapple. The bowl, the glass and the teabag were all by Burke's regular place at the table.

imo

 

[BlueCrab]

Many, many, many of your assertions are easily defuted.

Such as, concluding Burke was with JonBenet 2 hrs. before she died just because his fingerprints were on the bowl. That's a guess, a consideration, a possibilty, not a conclusion.

BrotherMoon,

Like I said, you wouldn't recognize a piece of hard evidence if it bit you in the .

JMO

 

[sissi]

Brother Moon said........Mom too. And of the people on this list, only Patsy is known to have dressed her daughter up in those Vegas showgirl costumes and to have coached the suggestive expressions into her pageant performances.


Your information? Patsy sent Jonbenet to dance class where she learned the basic dances ,it was Christine who "punched up" the dances with questionable moves. She was a winner in the pageant circle, she "knew" what to do to get those votes! I am not certain who made the faux pas of an outfit, but my guess is Christine's mom.

 

[KATKAT19691]

It just drives you nuts that Patsy had her daughter involved in pagents. I wonder why. Alot of moms I know do. The kids love it too. I think JBR did also, after all it was shown she was not scared of her mother when she kicked her in public at the photo shoot. Dont think she would have had a problem saying she did not want to be in the pagent in public and someone would have come forward and said it by now. I dont know if you believe that just because a mom puts her daughter in pagents that means she is psyco, if that is the case I have lots of psyco friends. If my child was a girl I would be doing it too if she enjoyed it. My son was in several pagents until he turned six years old. I stopped only then because he did not want to do it anymore. He lost once and did not like that.
I like reading your post brothermoon. You do keep it interesting!!!
Why do you refuse to believe that Burke was downstairs with his sister. Like I said before me and my brother and sis would actually wait for parents to go to bed to raid fridge, we would sit and eat and talk. The Ramseys said it was common for JBR to take the flashlight and go to Burke's room and sleep. That would explain how the flashlight got there, she went to his room, they dec. they were hungry and went downstairs.:croc:

 

[BlueCrab]

The Ramseys said it was common for JBR to take the flashlight and go to Burke's room and sleep.

That's correct. In fact, JonBenet slept in Burke's bedroom on Christmas Eve Night.

JMO

 

[AutumnBorn]

Your information? Patsy sent Jonbenet to dance class where she learned the basic dances ,it was Christine who "punched up" the dances with questionable moves. She was a winner in the pageant circle, she "knew" what to do to get those votes! I am not certain who made the faux pas of an outfit, but my guess is Christine's mom.

Ah, so Christine, not Patsy was JB's driving force? The mother had no control whatsoever over her daughter's suggestive moves and outfits. Nope, Patsy didn't have any say about it. LMAO

 

[BrotherMoon]

BrotherMoon,

Like I said, you wouldn't recognize a piece of hard evidence if it bit you in the .

JMO

I do all I can to keep hard evidence away from my .

 

[BrotherMoon]

I like reading your post brothermoon. You do keep it interesting!!!

I am fulfilled.

Why do you refuse to believe that Burke was downstairs with his sister.

That's possible, interesting and if so, irrelevant.

The Ramseys said it was common for JBR to take the flashlight and go to Burke's room and sleep. That would explain how the flashlight got there,

Which flashlight?

 

[BrotherMoon]

That's correct. In fact, JonBenet slept in Burke's bedroom on Christmas Eve Night.

JMO

But not Christmas day night. Too bad for her.

 

[TisHerself]

Who is Doug Smith and David Iniouy? Sorry but I really have not followed this case but have just been reading all these posts. When I read this post I felt like throwing up that three peope might have been involved. I thought her brother was only 12 at the time? I think the main reason I didn't really follow it is because I just thought poor baby and couldn't bear to think what she had gone through.

 

[sissi]

Who is Doug Smith and David Iniouy? Sorry but I really have not followed this case but have just been reading all these posts. When I read this post I felt like throwing up that three peope might have been involved. I thought her brother was only 12 at the time? I think the main reason I didn't really follow it is because I just thought poor baby and couldn't bear to think what she had gone through.

Her brother was nine at the time of her murder.

There is no indication that anyone had been booked for the "big red boat" other than the ones who stated they were going, to suggest others were going along is just "someone's" guess .
There are facts as we know them, this isn't one

 

[Ivy]

Burke Ramsey was two weeks shy of his tenth birthday when JonBenet died. In Colorado no one under the age of 10 can be charged with any crime.

I have studied the JonBenet case for years, ever since she died, and I have never learned anything about the case to convince me that Burke didn't take her life, albeit unintentionally. I continue to believe that her death resulted from a sexual game she and Burke were playing that went too far. I believe that when he inserted the paint handle into her vagina to "explore," (causing the slight injury described in the autopsy) she cried out (possibly) and tried to get up. Afraid she'd tell on him, in a knee-jerk reaction, Burke yanked the cord, which was already around her neck as part of the game, and immediately struck her with the Maglite. In his panic, he jerked the cord again and again.

Michael Baden said on a CTV special about the case that Burke needs to be looked at.

Cyril Wecht said there was nothing done to JonBenet that someone Burke's age at the time couldn't have done.

I say BDI is the only theory that fits.

imo