The Boarder Across the Street

[capps]

BC

Knowing your theory,I'm surprised that you refer to the actions of the Ramsey's as "sleasy".
You don't see this as a desperate act by parents trying to protect a 9 yr old boy? Or at best incredible sadness or sympathy for their awful predicament?

I'm not judging,just curious.

 

[BlueCrab]

BC

Knowing your theory,I'm surprised that you refer to the actions of the Ramsey's as "sleasy".
You don't see this as a desperate act by parents trying to protect a 9 yr old boy? Or at best incredible sadness or sympathy for their awful predicament?

I'm not judging,just curious.

capps,

You're right. Sleazy was a bad word choice. The Ramseys aren't sleazy. I edited that post and used the word abominable instead. Thanks.

 

[Nehemiah]

Good post, Camper.

VOR, what would be a legal reason for lawyering up the Georgia crew?

I think the lack of cooperation by the Ramseys, whether guilty or not guilty of a crime, speaks volumes about something...just what that something is, I'm not sure...

 

[dingo]

Call me naive ,but if that was my daughters murder and 8 years later myself or my husband were still under suspicion ,id be demanding every test in the country to prove our innocence whether that be more lie detector tests or how about hypotism anything,what about truth syrum [or is that just in the movies].Being from Australia i dont know the American Law system but with all the evidence against the ramseys why dont they just throw everything at them in a court of law.If they walk free at least theyve had their day in court,not much justice more JB but better than shes had so far,

 

[Camper]

Interesting wedding pictures, donut know why but somehow my brain just went into a ditch. Reminded me of how noteworthy Ted Bundy and Wayne Gacy were in their community oriented pastimes. Good fellows they, hmmm, er huh.

So as the old radio show of the 40's was called, "Our Gal Sunday", who pursued the wonderment of whether a poor little girl from a mining town in the west, find happiness as the bride of Lord Henry Brinthrope, sp?, it was a little mining town in the west wasn't it, my memory is getting blurry.

I somehow think that the topic of college study lends itself quite well to wondering how a garotte works, color me silly. I look at him in the unsolved case as possibly a teacher of sort, he tutored the Stine boy. I cannot provide the source for that information but it was either in one of the books I read, or media information. He baby sat the Stine boy and tutored him. Anyone remember how long that tutoring lasted? I could probably figure it out, but maybe someone else can do it faster and better.

Somehow boys will be boys is another old saw that came into my thoughts.

The BIG question remains will WE ever know who murdered JonBonet and why. Perhaps she was going to tell!! Remember Zaniah, an old poster here, recalled that JonBenet went to her school nurse two times on a Monday after a weekend at home, in the month of December, just prior to her death. Hmmm.


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[narlacat]

Hi Dingo
Im not up on American law either, but I do know they have what they call a grand jury. A grand jury is not the same as a trial jury. A grand jury doesnt decide guilt or innocence. The jurors decide if there is enough evidence to charge someone with a crime.

There has been a grand jury in this case. I guess the jurors decided there wasnt enough evidence to charge the Ramsey's with the crime.

 

[dingo]

Thanks Narlacat for clearing that up for me,I admit to know nothing about law,never needed the law thank God,its just a shame the grand jury cant reveal why they couldnt send this case to a jury.Seems everything is so hush hush which doesnt help JB at all ,just another injustice done to her.Im siding with Bluecrabs theory its the only thing which makes sense to me

 

[narlacat]

The BIG question remains will WE ever know who murdered JonBonet and why. Perhaps she was going to tell!! Remember Zaniah, an old poster here, recalled that JonBenet went to her school nurse two times on a Monday after a weekend at home, in the month of December, just prior to her death. Hmmm.

Hi Camper
I wonder where Zaniah found that out. I cant find anywhere where Jonbenet went to the school nurse. Also, was it true that Burke had been involved with the social services? Ive heard that too, but cant find a source....

 

[dingo]

Has the school nurse ever been interviewed? Never read anything about her.Sadly i think JBs murder will stay unsolved mainly because the last two people to see her alive cant get their stories straight ,I think you could call them unreliable witnesses,after all who could blame them.They were only the parents

 

[Camper]

The BIG question remains will WE ever know who murdered JonBonet and why. Perhaps she was going to tell!! Remember Zaniah, an old poster here, recalled that JonBenet went to her school nurse two times on a Monday after a weekend at home, in the month of December, just prior to her death. Hmmm.

Hi Camper
I wonder where Zaniah found that out. I cant find anywhere where Jonbenet went to the school nurse. Also, was it true that Burke had been involved with the social services? Ive heard that too, but cant find a source....

---------------->>>As I recall Zaniah had sources, but I sure cannot remember them this minute, I am betting someone else who reads here will remember or have a source for that. I donut believe that the school nurse was called to the GJ, but NOT sure about that.

School nurse records would be harder for a media person to get than the present difficulty in finding Osama Bin Laden.

I also seem to recall that a trip to Dr. Beuf sp? was made after those two trips to the nurse, and ALL of this happened just prior to the murder.

We would seem to be enabled to put one and one together and get a total of 6 er 8. Dictionary opened to 'incest' page, per media reports, well heck why not just close the book after you look up a word, I am so stupid, I close my dictionary when I am finished with it. Donut suppose they ever dusted for fingerprints on those pages, ya think?


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[Toltec]

One has to wonder why Patsy was so frantic when she called Dr. Beuf twice in one day?

If it were an emergency...such as bleeding from a wound or an asthma attack, she would have just drove in to see the Doctor without an appointment.

Why was it so important but not "life threatening" that Patsy speak to Dr. Beuf?

Was it to get advise? Advise on what????

 

[Voice of Reason]

Has the school nurse ever been interviewed? Never read anything about her.Sadly i think JBs murder will stay unsolved mainly because the last two people to see her alive cant get their stories straight ,I think you could call them unreliable witnesses,after all who could blame them.They were only the parents

JBR may or may not have gone to the school nurse often. However, if she went so much as once, and the nurse saw evidence of abuse, she is obligated under law to report this. If she reported this, the police would have been all over the Ramseys even more so than they already were. If she didn't report it, which may very well be the case, she is breaking the law. She would be a tough witness. On the one hand, she would claim JBR was abused, but on the other hand, she'll state that she ignored her legal duty to report such behavior. I'd say this nurse is lying.

 

[Jonslatenites]

I'm not going to use his name, since the "theories" thread said not to, but here is it. Some of you who follow the case will know who this guy is:



The one dude that keeps sticking out is XXXX. Barnhill's downstairs boarder whose alibi is that he was sick with the flu down in his room that night. It's worth noting that JonBenet also seems to have been ill right before the murders. But nobody else at either residence.
-- He's right across the street from the Ramseys
-- He'd gone to that open house
-- He must have seen JonBenet on numerous occasions as her dog stayed at the Barnhills
-- He would have known the Ramseys were going to be out that night
-- A figure was seen approaching the Ramsey house around 9pm, from the 15th street (front) side. That figure was thought to be Ramsey's older son until it was finally
proven (not that it should ever have been in doubt) the son was in Atlanta. So, whomever the witness saw was a young male and this is after the time XXXX went to his room. BPD seems to have been very interested in this lead until they figured out it couldn't be Ramsey's son, at which point, they dropped it completely. So the sighting of someone approaching the Ramsey house that night is for real. Otherwise, BPD never would have bothered establishing that Ramsey's older son was in Atlanta.

-- The perp didn't take JonBenet out of the house. Well, XXXX could hardly bring her across the street, could he?
-- His handwriting *could not be excluded* (bet we've heard that before).
-- BPD claims he was DNA'd out. BPD didn't do
a bit of DNA testing after the material under JonBenet's
fingernails and from her panties came back negative for Ramsey DNA. I don't care what they say. They also said they'd tested another suspect (seen on the 48hrs show) and they hadn't.

-- He seems to have all but vanished shortly after the case.
-- Shapiro thinks he was "harmless." Yeah, Jeff Shapiro's opinion has been shown to be so accurate throughout the years.



As we saw in the Jessica Lunsford case, and the Van Dam case, when a child disappears (or is killed) in their own home when parents are there, you start looking in the immediate area. Like within 200yds. It was cold that night. I don't see a perp coming from across town to do
the crime, nor casing the place out. Nor having any way to know the Ramseys were not home because they had a garage. But knew they were going to be out. He would have known that from the Barnhills. That's why JonBenet's dog was over there so often. They left him there when they were going to be out.


"
COURIC: You also mention XXXX, who was a boarder at your neighbor's house. He stopped by at your Christmas party...
Mr. RAMSEY: Mm-hmm.
COURIC: ...just a few days before.
Mr. RAMSEY: I mention him because he's been mentioned, also, publicly. We didn't know XXXX lived across the street from us until after JonBenet was murdered.
"


So, he was probably quite a recent addition to the Barnhill residence, seeing as how John knew the Barnhills quite well, but:


"LOU SMIT: Were the kids developing a


2 relationship with this fellow, XXXX, do you
3 think or has that ever been discussed?
4 JOHN RAMSEY: It's never been discussed.
5 I don't know. To my knowledge anyway. As I say, I
6 didn't even know he lived there. They had an
7 apartment in the basement.
"
You're looking for a perp, you look at this guy living in Barnhill's basement..

Or you could spend the next ten years "analyzing" that ransom note trying to "prove" Patsy Ramsey wrote it.

That's always been good for some laughs.

RstJ

:truce: So who is covering for whom? The Ramseys are covering for the Barnhill's boarder? Do you honestly think the Ramseys would've put themselves through this torture, through this hell for how many years now? 10 - to cover up the Barnhill's boarder? :doh: I don't think so.

JMO :twocents:

JLNS

 

[Camper]

BC

Knowing your theory,I'm surprised that you refer to the actions of the Ramsey's as "sleasy".
You don't see this as a desperate act by parents trying to protect a 9 yr old boy? Or at best incredible sadness or sympathy for their awful predicament?

I'm not judging,just curious.

----------------->>>Protection used in your post is an interesting concept. Keep in mine lawyers were provided for in GA, where another SON was, this SON was NOT in Boulder, welllllll, he has alibi's up the gazoo.

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Barnhill told police the person who walked up to the Ramseys home on
Christmas Day was John Andrew Ramsey.
Questions and my own answers:
Q. Don't you think Mr. Barnhill would have recognized his OWN tenant?
A. Yes, I also think Barnhill and the 'person' would have exchanged
greetings with each other.
====================================
Q. IF IF they did not, why not?
A. The person was not being friendly that day, OR OR it could have been
someone who did not know Barnhill. Hmmm
====================================
Q. Why were the Ramsey investigators NOT interested in figuring out WHO
the person was?
A. I donut have the answer to this last question, but an investigator
by their very name INVESTIGATES All we heard from the media was =
The Ramseys said, JAR was not in Boulder 'that day'.

=====================================
Q. Is there a long time poster reading here this morning?
If someone is reading that has a transcript of the Ramseys EVER being
asked about the 'man' who approached their home that day?
=====================================
Summation, WE know that Barnhills SAW a MAN that day, WE donut know who
the MAN really was.
IF I had my choice of who the man was it was JAR, BUT I was NOT the
PERSON who saw 'the man', plus I had never seen JAR before or after.
BUT, BUT, Barnhill had, JAR had lived across the street for some time,
the front yard of the Ramseys was totally visible from Barnhills yard.
Reports said that Barnhill was in his OWN yard when he saw 'the man'.
I would like to have been a fly on the wall in the Barnhills home, after
the murder, to hear their thoughts on the entire murder, and 'the man'
that Barnhill saw walking up to the Ramseys front door on 'that day'.
That did not happen for me, nor will it ever, but that does not stop me
from thinking.
Could this person have been NI, was he to baby sit for a time 'that
day', John reportedly was at the airport readying his plane for the next
days flights. What was PR really doing that day, last minute stuff for
the trip er, huh, hmmm.
I might remind everyone that the Ramsey garage was not visible to
neighbors, the entrance to the garage was from a quiet and narrow alley
surrounded by bushes/shrubs etc. So anyone coming and going from their
garage would NOT have been visible Christmas Day. Parking on the street
is very tight, property frontages are narrow.
BlueCrab, wondering if NI had access to a car, the Stines as I recall
lived 6 blocks from the Ramsey home. Wonder if Barnhill would have
recalled which direction 'the man' came from, another hmmm, too late to
know that isn't it?

 

[Voice of Reason]

Let's not forget the circumstances surrounding this "mystery man"...

After JBR's death, the authorities looked at the family, as they should in a crime like this. JAR makes the perfect suspect for many reasons. They learn that he was in Boulder around xmas, but supposedly left before xmas night. Then, they hear from Barnhill that he saw JAR on xmas day. A light goes off in the authorities' heads...maybe the Ramseys are lying to protect JAR. So they investigate the matter, and determine that JAR was, indeed, not in Boulder on xmas, and Barnhill was mistaken. Now, all we have is a young teen near the Ramsey house on xmas day. JBR was killed in the middle of the night. Why would that person raise any suspicions if it is not JAR? It could have been anyone, but as long as it wasn't JAR, I don't really see the significance. There were a bunch of kids playing outside. It was xmas!

And as Camper pointed out, it certainly wasn't Barnhill's tenant, because he would have recognized him. I think this is a red herring. I doubt it was NI, because he is of a different nationality, and I don't think Barnhill would have confused him with JAR.

 

[RobertStJames]

:truce: So who is covering for whom? The Ramseys are covering for the Barnhill's boarder? Do you honestly think the Ramseys would've put themselves through this torture, through this hell for how many years now? 10 - to cover up the Barnhill's boarder? :doh: I don't think so.

JMO :twocents:

JLNS

Why do you think the Ramseys are "covering" for anyone? Nobody's covering for this guy. LE dropped the ball, just like they did when they initially searched the house.

I have searched, extensively, for something indicating how XXXX was cleared. The only thing I've found was an investigator's notes (unknown whom) claiming that XXXX was cleared but not giving any details. Since we know ST "cleared" this guy based on nothing at all, it's quite possible those are his notes (seeing as how he took a lot of them when he left BPD to write his book).

I doubt any DNA testing was ever done on this guy. And probably never will be since the samples are either destroyed or in BPD's evidence room, most likely the former.

In summation:

a) no alibi after 9pm
b) stranger seen approaching Ramsey house that evening
c) he knew JonBenet
d) he was at the Ramsey's party two days earlier

Smit obviously did follow up on him. But Smit hasn't published anything. Armistead's dossier is still out there. Maybe it has more info.


RstJ

 

[aussiesheila]

The boarder across the street, Barnhill, mc santa, did the BPD feel these three weren't "worthy" of further investigation. Did we not hear the excuses for them, "he had palsy", "he was too weak", he "had the flu", were these reasons good enough to limit a real investigation into these people? If their dna was taken was it tested against the dna on Jonbenet?

Sissi,
My answer to your first question is a definite no.
I don't have an answer to your second question but I would like to know what it is.

 

[aussiesheila]

sissi,

Investigations must start from the inside and work their way out. The Ramseys had to be cleared first. But the Ramseys, by refusing to cooperate, wouldn't allow the cops to clear them, and these kinds of behaviors also drew additional suspicion toward them.

Therefore, the boarder, the Barnhills, the McSanta's and all the rest of the potential suspects were put on semi-hold until the Ramseys were cleared. The cops had no other choice. The lack of cooperation has continued to this day and the Ramseys remain uncleared. They brought it upon themselves. The big question is WHY did the Ramseys deliberately bring it upon themselves? Of course, most of us have already figured out why.

BlueCrab

I'm sorry BlueCrab but I find your reply to Sissi's post most unsatisfactory. I do not think investigations into different suspects are conducted sequentially as you suggest. I think they are conducted simeltaneously within the constraints of available resources, which in this case I would have thought would have been pretty plentiful, otherwise investigations would go on forever.

 

[Eagle1]

What was the boarder's name again? How could I forget the names of any of them?

Wasn't the walker wearing a long overcoat, who was observed by Barnhill? Did nearly everyone wear one of those? Someone lurking around the gas station in Charlevoix badmouthing JR was also wearing one, I believe.

 

[BlueCrab]

I'm sorry BlueCrab but I find your reply to Sissi's post most unsatisfactory. I do not think investigations into different suspects are conducted sequentially as you suggest. I think they are conducted simeltaneously within the constraints of available resources, which in this case I would have thought would have been pretty plentiful, otherwise investigations would go on forever.

aussiesheila,

All such murder investigations, such as the JonBenet Ramsey case, must be conducted within the constraints of available resources, so that's why the emphasis begins with the immediate family. The laws of probability, based on years of data, have determined that a close family member is usually the killer.

When that inner circle of possible suspects has been reasonably cleared, the next closest circle of possible suspects are looked at more closely -- such as friends, business associates, etc. Only as a last resort does the lion's share of the investigative resources shift to possible intruders.

The Ramsey ransom note tried to make it look like an intruder killed JonBenet, but the note was obviously fake. This rightfully kept the focus on Ramsey family members. And when the family lawyered up beginning on the first day, and refused to be interviewed, then the focus stayed right where it belonged -- on the Ramseys.

Therefore, the Ramseys brought it upon themselves. The BPD had no other choice but to keep them in focus. So why did the Ramseys bring it upon themselves by not allowing themselves to be interviewed? IMO the Ramseys too had no other choice, BECAUSE THEY ARE GUILTY.

BlueCrab