My take on the ransom note...

I think it's time for Holdontoyourhat to have his own thread.

I would like to see him/her post all his known facts.........and how those facts prove the IDI theory.

Right now the posts are scattered everywhere.............

Do I hear a second??

If not, no problem. I am just curious how the known facts he/she has fits the IDI theory.
 
I think it's time for Holdontoyourhat to have his own thread.

I would like to see him/her post all his known facts.........and how those facts prove the IDI theory.

Right now the posts are scattered everywhere.............

Do I hear a second??

If not, no problem. I am just curious how the known facts he/she has fits the IDI theory.

Littledeer,
Since there is zero evidence to link any intruder to the death of JonBenet. Holdontoyourhat can never offer a coherent theory, I reckon he posts to exercise his fingers?


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I think it's time for Holdontoyourhat to have his own thread.

I would like to see him/her post all his known facts.........and how those facts prove the IDI theory.

Right now the posts are scattered everywhere.............

Do I hear a second??

If not, no problem. I am just curious how the known facts he/she has fits the IDI theory.


Seconded! Sounds like a plan to me :woohoo:
 
Now Now............there is NO such thing as "zero" evidence.


Littledeer,
My Lawdy! We have a definitive statement. Put your evidence on the table that demonstrates an intruder was inside the Ramsey household the night JonBenet died?

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Leave it to RDI to freely go from IDI favoring case facts--the unknown male DNA mixed with JBR's blood, and somehow spin that into siblings 'playing doctor'.
but you conveniently left out the fact it could have come from them sharing the same toilet...why is that????
 
but you conveniently left out the fact it could have come from them sharing the same toilet...why is that????

Its a given that any unknown DNA found anwhere at JBR's crime scene adds to the IDI argument, especially if it is found in a conspicuous place. And it was found in a conspicuous place, was it not?

RDI would be better off leaving the DNA alone, because its sooo obvious that these RDI 'explanations' (factory worker, shared toilets, CODIS can't tell its not a family member, please!!) are really just automatic RDI knee-jerk concoctions that would've been instantly applied to any unidentified DNA found anywhere at the crime scene.
 
Its a given that any unknown DNA found anwhere at JBR's crime scene adds to the IDI argument, especially if it is found in a conspicuous place. And it was found in a conspicuous place, was it not?

not so fast,Hold.it's a partial profile.I'll repeat myself here:

All technology has limitations. For multiplex PCRs, the most serious limitations are in the areas of samples that are minimal, degraded, mixed, over-interpreted, contaminated or even potential combinations of these. Some current practices lack support by the established literature. Over-interpretation can also occur when there are partial profiles.[1] The scientific system recognizes the human tendency toward over-interpretation and offers the countermeasures: independent review, independent verification, scientific controls and demonstrations of reproducibility. These reviews and controls are considered integral parts of the scientific process.
PCR-based testing is potentially useful since it is currently the only quick method of amplifying really minuscule amounts of DNA. However, it is important to recognize that PCR based methods are exquisitely sensitive to contamination and need to be interpreted with extreme caution. Match probabilities generated with some STR typing systems may involve extreme numbers perhaps giving the impression of an infallible result. Scientific rigor often requires that extreme numbers be placed in a context that considers all aspects of testing including laboratory error rates and technical limitations.
Partial Profiles
Use of "partial profiles" is a newly emerging and fairly disturbing trend. A partial profile is one in which not all of the loci targeted show up in the sample. For example, if 13 loci were targeted, and only 9 could be reported, that would be termed, a partial profile. Failure of all targeted loci to show up demonstrates a serious deficiency in the sample. Normally, all human cells (except red blood cells and cells called "platelets") have all 13 loci. Therefore, a partial profile represents the equivalent of less than a single human cell. This presents some important problems:
1. A partial profile essentially proves that one is operating outside of well-characterized and recommended limits.
2. Contaminating DNA usually presents as a partial profile, although not always. For this reason, the risk that the result is a contaminant is greater than for samples that present as full profiles.
3. A partial profile is at risk of being incomplete and misleading. The partial nature of it proves that DNA molecules have been missed. There is no way of firmly determining what the complete profile would have been, except by seeking other samples that may present a full profile.
Most forensic laboratories will try to obtain full profiles. Unfortunately, in an important case, it may be tempting to use a partial profile, especially if that is all that one has. However, such profiles should be viewed skeptically. Over-interpretation of partial profiles can probably lead to serious mistakes. Such mistakes could include false inclusions and false exclusions, alike. It could be said that, compared to the first PCR-based tests introduced into the courts, use of partial profiles represents a decline in standards. This is because those earlier tests, while less discriminating, had controls (known as "control dots") that helped prevent the use of partial profiles.The earlier tests will be discussed below, primarily for historic reasons, but also because they do still appear on occasion.



RDI would be better off leaving the DNA alone, because its sooo obvious that these RDI 'explanations' (factory worker, shared toilets, CODIS can't tell its not a family member, please!!) are really just automatic RDI knee-jerk concoctions that would've been instantly applied to any unidentified DNA found anywhere at the crime scene.
oh my my,you do wish,don't you.
Now as I said before,BR was a MINOR at the time,so even if some or all of the dna from that partial profile matched his,that wouldn't be publicly released.It could still be called unknown as well,since it isn't a full profile,and since BR and JB were brother/sister,and the dna was mixed and incomplete,it could contain shadowbands/stutter dna from each,and be difficult if not impossible to determine who's dna belonged to whom.
 
Its a given that any unknown DNA found anwhere at JBR's crime scene adds to the IDI argument, especially if it is found in a conspicuous place. And it was found in a conspicuous place, was it not?

RDI would be better off leaving the DNA alone, because its sooo obvious that these RDI 'explanations' (factory worker, shared toilets, CODIS can't tell its not a family member, please!!) are really just automatic RDI knee-jerk concoctions that would've been instantly applied to any unidentified DNA found anywhere at the crime scene.

Holdontoyourhat,
Its a given that any unknown DNA found anwhere at JBR's crime scene adds to the IDI argument, especially if it is found in a conspicuous place. And it was found in a conspicuous place, was it not?

But it is not. The IDI argument omits innocent explanations for the dna. Also there is no coherent IDI theory that explains all the evidence, simply a series of interjections and requests to explain anomalies in the RDI theories.

Do you not get it yet, is your understanding of the case so limited that you promote an IDI position, despite having nothing to put on the table in evidentiary terms.

People will eventually put you on ignore, since you contribute nothing constructive.
 
Holdontoyourhat,


But it is not. The IDI argument omits innocent explanations for the dna. Also there is no coherent IDI theory that explains all the evidence, simply a series of interjections and requests to explain anomalies in the RDI theories.

Do you not get it yet, is your understanding of the case so limited that you promote an IDI position, despite having nothing to put on the table in evidentiary terms.

People will eventually put you on ignore, since you contribute nothing constructive.

Are you kidding? I point out to RDI that PR misspelled 'advise' in both her right and left hand sample writings given to investigators, and RDI does the same knee-jertk they do with the DNA. Suddenly, years later, RDI 'logically' (but rather quickly) concludes that PR 'deliberately misspelled a single word' to mislead investigators, even though investigators at the time didn't even notice! Thats just rich.

RDI should offer more than these knee-jerk reactions to the neverending, natural flow of IDI-supporting evidence. Really, most of the ignoring happening here is between RDI and the evidence.

As far as DNA is concerned, the misconception being spread arouond here is that all markers have to be present and non-degraded to be worth anything. The truth is, all markers have to be there for a CODIS sample submitted from a convicted offender. Missing markers from crime scene DNA are allowed into CODIS for investigative purposes only because its understood by experts that "crime-scene DNA is frequently degraded." Such degraded DNA is still considered helpful to investigators finding possible suspects, if it meets a minimum criteria.
 
Now Now............there is NO such thing as "zero" evidence.

Unidentified male DNA in a conspicuous place at the crime scene, and PR spelling words differently than the RN author, isn't zero evidence.

Zero evidence is what RDI has on where the white cord and black tape rolls came from or went.
 
Unidentified male DNA in a conspicuous place at the crime scene, and PR spelling words differently than the RN author, isn't zero evidence.

Zero evidence is what RDI has on where the white cord and black tape rolls came from or went.

Just curious...how to you think that the intruders gained access to the Ramsey home?? The window grate had a spider web, so it couldn't have been through that basement window....or the web would have been torn or disturbed....it was intact.
 
Just curious...how to you think that the intruders gained access to the Ramsey home?? The window grate had a spider web, so it couldn't have been through that basement window....or the web would have been torn or disturbed....it was intact.

The killer(s) got in by pulling into the garage in the R family car! They were all IN that car. :)
 
Unidentified male DNA in a conspicuous place at the crime scene, and PR spelling words differently than the RN author, isn't zero evidence.

Zero evidence is what RDI has on where the white cord and black tape rolls came from or went.

Holdontoyourhat,
It is zero evidence because it does not link to any intruder. A ransom note does not prove there was an intruder in the house, just as foreign dna does not prove an intruder was in the house.

I have never seen a credible IDI theory to date, there is no evidence to support one.

The majority of the evidence links to the parents, its that simple, they may be innocent, but they are in the frame, to date no intruder excepting Lou Smit's fantasy IDI theory and John Mark Karr, has any evidence linking them to the crime-scene. The parents are the prime suspects.




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LOL...they must have been hiding on the floor behind the passenger seat.
Yeah, and they could have have fit in there - after all, they called themselves a small foreign faction. That was probably another of the "funny little clues" (to quote John Ramsey) they left behind in their ransom note. :D
 
Yeah, and they could have have fit in there - after all, they called themselves a small foreign faction. That was probably another of the "funny little clues" (to quote John Ramsey) they left behind in their ransom note. :D

I suspect they were midgets.That's how they got in without disturbing the spider web.Yea,that's it.And they decided not to take JB b/c she was taller than they were.
Now why didn't Smit think of that??? LOLOL :D
 
Yeah, and they could have have fit in there - after all, they called themselves a small foreign faction.
Of course.Otherwise they would have called themselves a tall foreign faction.TALL.makes sense,doesn't it? hehehehe
 
I think it's time for Holdontoyourhat to have his own thread.

I would like to see him/her post all his known facts.........and how those facts prove the IDI theory.

Right now the posts are scattered everywhere.............

Do I hear a second??

If not, no problem. I am just curious how the known facts he/she has fits the IDI theory.

I am waiting.... do you really think we dare to hope that we are going to get a response to that request? I second and third and so on
 
I'm in...I'd love to read all the facts to prove the IDI theory that Hold knows about. :)
 

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