Mystery couple murdered in South Carolina, 1976 - #4

[MaryLiz]

I've been reading through some of the old pages of this thread and my hunch tells me that I am 99.9% sure that the unidentified male's name IS "Jock" or "Jacques" and his initials are JPF. I am still awaiting word from my contact in Canada who works for the Canadian Medical Hall of Fame. Perhaps no news is good news. If I had to make a guess I would say that Fortier is the likeliest connection to Jock/Jacques. If not, it's got to be another prominent doctor in Canada at that time whose last name began with the letter F.

Here are some more doctors whose last name start with F that were posted on one of the previous threads in September 2007 by rmf along with a link to the Royal College of Physicians in Canada. There are 2 threads below Thread #2 on the main page. This was copied from the thread directly below Thread #2. Posted on 09/05/07 by rmf, Page 7, Post 171.

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I don't know how many of these people are still even alive, but there are a few in Quebec that could be possibilities.

http://royalcollege.ca/index_e.php

Feore, Thomas Dermot Ryan
FRCPC (Nov. 27, 1964)
Central Newfoundland Regional
Health Centre
50 Union St
Grand Falls-Windsor, NL A2A 2E1 Diagnostic Radiology (Nov. 15, 1960)

Farber, Robert
FRCPC (Dec. 11, 1953)
Suite 206
2401 Yonge St
Toronto, ON M4P 3H1 Pediatrics (Dec. 11, 1953)

Farley, Robert Orme
FRCSC (Dec. 28, 1959)
St Thomas, ON General Surgery (Dec. 28, 1959)

Feinman, Saya Victor
FRCPC (Nov. 29, 1962)
Toronto, ON Internal Medicine (Nov. 19, 1956)

Fekete, John Francis
FRCPC (Sep. 23, 1972)
Mississauga, ON General Pathology (Nov. 13, 1961)

Fisher, Murray M.
FRCPC (Nov. 30, 1965)
Rm 618
Upper Canada Lower Bowel
Clinic
170 St George St
Toronto, ON M5R 2M8 Internal Medicine (Nov. 30, 1965)

Florence, Ralph
FRCPC (Jun. 9, 1972)
Suite 409
Balmoral Medical Arts
1366 Yonge St
Toronto, ON M4T 3A7 Dermatology (Nov. 29, 1960)

Flowers, Raymond William
FRCPC (Sep. 23, 1972)
Clinton, ON Internal Medicine (Nov. 10, 1964)

Forstner, Gordon G.
FRCPC (Nov. 30, 1965)
Rm 402
Clarke Site
Centre for Addiction &
Mental Health
250 College St
Toronto, ON M5T 1R8 Internal Medicine (Nov. 30, 1965)

Fox, Gordon Stanley
FRCPC (Dec. 1, 1965)
Rm 1514
Mount Sinai Hospital
600 University Ave
Toronto, ON M5G 1X5 Anesthesia (Dec. 1, 1965)

Fretz, Norman Anthony
FRCPC (Sep. 23, 1972)
Guelph, ON Psychiatry (Nov. 9, 1964)

Forsey, Robert Roy P. FRCPC
(Nov. 27, 1948)
Montréal, QC Dermatology (Dec. 1, 1947)

Fouron, Jean Claude
FRCPC (Nov. 25, 1963)
dép de pédiatrie
Hôpital Ste-Justine
3175 ch Côte-Sainte-Catherine
Montréal, QC H3T 1C5 Pediatrics (Nov. 25, 1963)

Fugère, Pierre
FRCSC (Nov. 29, 1963)
suite 100
235 boul René-Lévesque e
Montréal, QC H2X 1N8 Obstetrics and Gynecology (Nov. 29, 1963)

Fraser, Murray Macdonell
FRCSC (Dec. 11, 1953)
Regina, SK General Surgery (Dec. 11, 1953)
Pediatric General Surgery (Dec. 1, 1978)

 

[youshouldveknown]

I've been reading through some of the old pages of this thread and my hunch tells me that I am 99.9% sure that the unidentified male's name IS "Jock" or "Jacques" and his initials are JPF. I am still awaiting word from my contact in Canada who works for the Canadian Medical Hall of Fame. Perhaps no news is good news. If I had to make a guess I would say that Fortier is the likeliest connection to Jock/Jacques. If not, it's got to be another prominent doctor in Canada at that time whose last name began with the letter F.

I agree with you. I think his name was Jacques and that those were his initials. My concern is, however, that even if his father was a prominent doctor in Canada at that time, I'm not so sure 'prominent' means 'famous.'

For instance, I work at the Medical University of South Carolina, and I work with a great deal of prominent doctors - doctors who, in their fields, have done amazing work, written amazing journal articles, and even travelled the world promoting health care and medicine. Say, if you were a neurosurgeon who read Neurosurgery Quarterly, you may be aware of the advances Dr. Sunil Patel has made in endoscopic removal of brain tumors. But as a primary physician? Probably not. Do you see what I mean? The 1970's were different times, but doctors still were not celebrities.

I suggest we start first with doctors who worked in specialties, and in large city hospitals in the 60's and 70's. Not to rule this out, but I think if Jacques' father was a surgeon, he would have said so - but that's just my thought, and I could be wrong. Surgeons are different than doctors and they make sure you know it.

But anyway, that's just my two cents.

 

[PattiAnn]

Hi everyone. I pop into this forum occasionally because the case is so very interesting. You've all done amazing work!

I do have a couple of questions. What kind of truck was the truck driver who found the bodies driving? Was it a pickup truck, a semi? I've searched and searched and can't find that detail. Also, what kind of vehicle was the guy who had the gun under his seat driving?


Thanks!

 

[youshouldveknown]

I'm answering from memory so I could very well be wrong. Please correct me if I am.

Lonnie Henry was a truck driver and, from what I recall, the gun was found in his truck - his semi-truck. I don't know how it worked back in the 1970's, but I do know now (and in the region, at least) it's beneficial for you to buy your own semi-truck rather than driving a company owned truck. This way you can work for various companies.

Also, from my understanding, the man who found the couple was also a truck driver, as in a semi-truck. He pulled off of the interstate and onto the frontage road to sleep - and because people rarely do that in their pick ups or cars because of the tight space (unless, of course, you're a poor college student ) and because semis usually come with bunks installed, that's what leads me to believe he was driving a semi. I can't recall reading it stated plainly in an article.

 

[PattiAnn]

I'm answering from memory so I could very well be wrong. Please correct me if I am.

Lonnie Henry was a truck driver and, from what I recall, the gun was found in his truck - his semi-truck. I don't know how it worked back in the 1970's, but I do know now (and in the region, at least) it's beneficial for you to buy your own semi-truck rather than driving a company owned truck. This way you can work for various companies.

Also, from my understanding, the man who found the couple was also a truck driver, as in a semi-truck. He pulled off of the interstate and onto the frontage road to sleep - and because people rarely do that in their pick ups or cars because of the tight space (unless, of course, you're a poor college student ) and because semis usually come with bunks installed, that's what leads me to believe he was driving a semi. I can't recall reading it stated plainly in an article.

I was hoping to compare this crime to others that involved pickup trucks, so thank you for the information about the semi's...you saved me lots of time

 

[Mysterylover]

I'm answering from memory so I could very well be wrong. Please correct me if I am.

Lonnie Henry was a truck driver and, from what I recall, the gun was found in his truck - his semi-truck.

I don't know how it worked back in the 1970's, but I do know now (and in the region, at least) it's beneficial for you to buy your own semi-truck rather than driving a company owned truck. This way you can work for various companies.

Also, from my understanding, the man who found the couple was also a truck driver, as in a semi-truck.
He pulled off of the interstate and onto the frontage road to sleep - and because people rarely do that in their pick ups or cars because of the tight space (unless, of course, you're a poor college student ) and because semis usually come with bunks installed,

that's what leads me to believe he was driving a semi. I can't recall reading it stated plainly in an article.....

youshouldveknown, Are you guessing about the trucks?

Can you please give us a LINK to where it said L.H. drove a 18 wheeler....or what type of truck the man that reported finding the couple that Monday morning was driving?

I always got the impression Henry drove a smaller, company truck...while backing over a man and killing him at work..
Does anyone know what he hauled, who he worked for and what was his route?

While reading about this case I have questioned WHY the sheriff has always kept the name of the trucker a secret....and how did the truck driver notify the LE that morning..

the thought has crossed my mind "was the trucker that 'found the couple', actually L. Henry???

 

[Mysterylover]

Guys, It's May 2009 why is getting the DNA results taking sooooo long?

Has anyone checked to make sure the 'samples' were received and have not been lost?...:waitasec:

 

[justthinkin]

I'm answering from memory so I could very well be wrong. Please correct me if I am.

Lonnie Henry was a truck driver and, from what I recall, the gun was found in his truck - his semi-truck. I don't know how it worked back in the 1970's, but I do know now (and in the region, at least) it's beneficial for you to buy your own semi-truck rather than driving a company owned truck. This way you can work for various companies.

Also, from my understanding, the man who found the couple was also a truck driver, as in a semi-truck. He pulled off of the interstate and onto the frontage road to sleep - and because people rarely do that in their pick ups or cars because of the tight space (unless, of course, you're a poor college student ) and because semis usually come with bunks installed, that's what leads me to believe he was driving a semi. I can't recall reading it stated plainly in an article.

There's only one problem with that story. There is no exit ramp that goes directly from I-95 to Locklair Rd. Locklair is not an access road for I-95. He would have had to exit onto Douglas Swamp & then make a sharp left at the Y to get onto Locklair. Doubtful a semi could make that kind of turn, and who would chance making that kind of a turn off a paved road onto a dirt lane?

If he pulled off to rest anywhere, that would also logistically indicate he was pulling a rig. No way anyone's making that turn with a rig.

 

[Fukiyama]

There's only one problem with that story. There is no exit ramp that goes directly from I-95 to Locklair Rd. Locklair is not an access road for I-95. He would have had to exit onto Douglas Swamp & then make a sharp left at the Y to get onto Locklair. Doubtful a semi could make that kind of turn, and who would chance making that kind of a turn off a paved road onto a dirt lane?

If he pulled off to rest anywhere, that would also logistically indicate he was pulling a rig. No way anyone's making that turn with a rig.

that's been my issue with the truck driver finding them too. They were found on a dirt road. Dirt roads are not 'frontage roads' that one pulls onto from the interstate. I just always reconciled this with the possibility that the frontage road was adjacent to this country track and the trucker was able to see the bodies across the way. I have no map though to back this up, so.

 

[justthinkin]

Edzackery. Locklair isn't a frontage road in the usual sense, meaning an access road on or off the interstate. Google maps with satellite view will work fine. Google for Douglas Swamp Rd., and you can see the overpass over I-95. You'll have to move the map around a bit as it just won't key in on the exact location. You'll have to enlarge the view to get a detailed picture of the location.

 

[AMP1979]

Just thinking about the dental records made me wonder about the age of "Jock." Most people under the age of 30 do not have very extensive dental work.

By the age of 25 I had had an insane amount of very expensive dental work done. The first round was caused by the fact I wore braces for five years, and braces worn for that amount of time, at least back then, caused damage no matter how careful you were.

The second, more extensive and expensive round of dentistry came when I was 24. The guy I was dating flipped over a vintage sports car, and my face hit the dash board (lap belts only). The dental work I needed sort of matches up with Jock's.

I think it could be a further clue that he was a race car driver. The only other people my age I know who have had such extensive dentistry are a friend who played semi-pro hockey and a friend who got involved in drugs in high school, ruined his teeth, and when he got clean his parents shelled out tens of thousands of dollars to repair the damage.

 

[youshouldveknown]

In my area of SC, which is pretty close to Sumter, our frontage roads do not have access to the interstate. They simply run parallel to the interstate. ANY road that runs parallel to the interstate here is considered a frontage road, and oftentimes thusly named.

My previous post was from memory and I don't know of any articles to link that would have the information in it. It's been posted that LH was a truck driver who drove up and down I-95. If that is incorrect, please correct me.

I feel that we need to establish a contact in this case, and while Mrs. Moore is still a very reliable contact, she does not have access to the police files.

 

[justthinkin]

Well that's interesting, youshould'veknown. In Texas, frontage roads serve as access points for entering or exiting a freeway. If not, then it's usually called a local road, mostly found in rural areas, and built before a freeway system went in.

For the purposes of this case though, it is important for sleuthers to know that there are no entrance ramps or exit ramps off of I-95 directly onto Locklair Rd. This has everything to do with whether it was an I-95 murder or not.

Because there's no entrance or exit ramp off the freeway, that makes it less likely that a murderer traveling down the freeway with a couple of live ones or dead ones, and unfamiliar with the area would even know Locklair was there. That's the point we're trying to make here. Anyone just passing through at night would have no clue from the freeway that Locklair Rd. existed.

Now a local trucker, familiar with the area, it's easier to believe someone like that would have the knowledge necessary to choose Locklair as the end of the line for our couple or as a dumping ground for their bodies.

 

[Mysterylover]

Well that's interesting, youshould'veknown. In Texas, frontage roads serve as access points for entering or exiting a freeway.

If not, then it's usually called a local road, mostly found in rural areas, and built before a freeway system went in.

For the purposes of this case though, it is important for sleuthers to know that there are NO entrance ramps or exit ramps off of I-95 directly onto Locklair Rd.
This has everything to do with whether it was an I-95 murder or not.

Because there's no entrance or exit ramp off the freeway,

that makes it less likely that a murderer traveling down the freeway with a couple of live ones or dead ones, and unfamiliar with the area would even know Locklair was there.

That's the point we're trying to make here. Anyone just passing through at night would have no clue from the freeway that Locklair Rd. existed.

Now a local trucker, familiar with the area, it's easier to believe someone like that would have the knowledge necessary to choose Locklair as the end of the line for our couple or as a dumping ground for their bodies....

Justthinkin, Excellent sleuthing! Where did Locklair Road connect with another road, and in what direction?

NO entrance ramps or exit ramps off of I-95 directly onto Locklair Rd., convinces me the couple was definitely NOT hitchhiking late that Sunday night.

I suspect they were first shot at another location, driven to Locklair Road by the murderer/murderers who was familiar with the area and dirt road location, placed beside the road to make the couple look like hitch-hikers and shot again in the neck with a smaller gun..

leading LE in the wrong direction from the very beginning...

It's my theory, the couple was possibly visiting someone that Sunday evening..either at the killers home, at the KOA, in the couple's living quarters, or on a boat or marina...or the race car circuit..

the couple was very clean, from their heads to their feet, (with new manicures & pedicures) as IF going somewhere or expecting guest that Sunday..
In my opinion, this couple was murdered for what they had or what they knew that Sunday evening....jmo..:canada:

 

[justthinkin]

On its south end, Locklair (spelled Locklear on Google Maps) dead ends at Douglas Swamp Rd. Douglas Swamp passes over I-95, and there are no entrance or exit ramps off I-95 onto Douglas Swamp Rd.

Going north, Locklair parallels the freeway a bit, then veers off northeast, and dead ends at Old St. John Church Rd. which basically runs north and south. If a person turned left from Locklair onto Old St. John, they'd eventually come to Lynches Rd. Going left on Lynches Rd. a person would come to entrance and exit ramps for I-95. Like Douglas Swamp, Lynches River Rd. passes over I-95.

Now what is interesting about the Locklair Rd. location is that Douglas Swamp Rd. also crosses Old St. John Church Rd. south of where Old St. John intersects with Locklair. So Locklair and Douglas Swamp together form a loop with Old St. John Church Rd.

Only a local would likely know this or have a reason to know it, so it's a fairly good bet it was locals that killed them, and not some transient murderer from I-95. When I say locals, they could've been murdered in Clarendon or Florence Co., and dumped in Sumter or murdered in Sumter Co. since they were last seen in Sumter Co.

They were found in a section of Sumter Co., called the neck because of the outline of the county.

There was a lot of crime going on in Sumter Co. around that time, and there still is.

Mysterylover, I think you're right about them being shot elsewhere & finished off at the Locklair location.

I happen to think a lot of the stories about this case are fiction. Car squealing off into the night on a deep sandy road. No way. I-95 murder, highly improbable.

Let's go back to square 1. We've got 2 dead, young people on a deep sand road. It's obvious they weren't hitch-hiking. Their ID has been removed, but not in haste because neither has any pockets turned inside out and left that way. So the report that the reason the murderers didn't take the jewelry because they got scared off is bogus or just plain dumb. Why wasn't the jewelry taken? Did the killers know it was stolen merchandise? Were the killers in such a financial state that the jewelry was mere pocket change to them?

 

[youshouldveknown]

NO entrance ramps or exit ramps off of I-95 directly onto Locklair Rd., convinces me the couple was definitely NOT hitchhiking late that Sunday night.

I suspect they were first shot at another location, driven to Locklair Road by the murderer/murderers who was familiar with the area and dirt road location, placed beside the road to make the couple look like hitch-hikers and shot again in the neck with a smaller gun..

I think it shows only that the couple weren't hitch hiking on I-95 or Locklair Rd.

Personally, I think the following scenerio or a variation of such happened:

The couple were hitchhiking around town/roaming aimlessly when they stopped for ice cream or fruit at the stand. There they met someone and struck up a conversation. I often thought perhaps Jacques pulled out a billfold to pay for the fruit/ice cream and this is what caught the eye of the other person. Because they walked to the stand, perhaps they were offered a ride back to the campground or somewhere else for that matter. Once in the van or truck, they were shot and Jacques' billfold was stolen. They were then dropped off on Locklair Rd.

Lonnie Henry or his son could have been the person they met that day. I have no idea. No money or ID were found on the body, but for a couple who were travelling up and down I-95, they HAD to have had at least a little bit of money on them. Just because the jewelry wasn't stolen does not rule out robbery as a motive - the robber saw the cash and wanted the cash. Jacques also told the guy at the campground they were 'running low' on funds, indicating that they still HAD a little bit of money left. Perhaps Jane was carrying a bag that was taken as well.

This is just my personal theory, and it really doesn't do anything for their identities. One thing I've never been able to pinpoint is how far away this fruit/ice cream stand was from the campground.

 

[justthinkin]

Good point, youshouldveknown. I, too, would like to know the location of the fruit stand, and its hours of operation. Was this just a mom and pop fruit stand by the side of the road? What road?

Kind of doubtful if that kind of operation it would be open after dark. VM said the couple had eaten fruit or ice cream with fruit recently. I know fruit leaves the stomach within 3 hours. Don't know about ice cream. That would mean if death was determined to be between midnight and 1AM, then they had been at that fruit stand no more than 3 hours prior. The actual time they were at the fruit stand could point to different time of death.

On another note, I could see the kids casually hitch-hiking around town, but not hitch-hiking as their main means of travel, not with the shoes they were wearing.

A person traveling by hitch-hiking might encounter, water, mud, high weeds, fire ants, snakes, loose gravel, all kinds of unpleasantries, some of them at night, that a person, esp. a female wouldn't want to deal with in regular sandals, let alone sandals with a platform heel.

I think it more likely they were involved in running drugs or stolen vehicles. Perhaps they kept money owed to someone higher up the chain of command that they shouldn't have, and got shot for their actions or they may have been used, and then when no longer needed, permanantly silenced.

I find myself struggling with the matches in the guy's pocket. If his pockets had been emptied for their contents, would the person doing so put the matches back in the pocket?

I have to wonder if the matches weren't planted on his person.

 

[youshouldveknown]

Perhaps the billfold was in one pocket, and the matches in another. The robber saw what pocket the billfold went into and only took the cash out of that pocket.

That's just my guess, though.

 

[justthinkin]

Got something I want to throw out to let y'all chew on awhile. It may have nothing to do with this case, but then again, it might. Don't know yet.

This is a missing person report, and I intend to set up a topic for Maxie here at WS. I'm sure it won't get much attention because there's so little information about his disappearance.

Maxwell Allen Graham
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/graham_maxwell.html
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1985dmsc.html

Lastly, here's a story about "Maxie" done in 2007.
http://www.superiorimageusa.com/mysumterherald/071018/Sumter_Herald_page1A.pdf

Scroll down to the second article on that page. There's also another picture of Maxie Graham.

Here's the problem. Maxie was born in January of 1950. According to his sisters, he went missing when he was 26 years old. Simple mathematics would tell us he went missing Aug. 8, 1976, the very same night our mystery couple was murdered give or take an hour or two either side of midnight.

Not once does the above article reference 1978, the year LE lists him as missing. Instead, the article says in 2007, Maxie had been missing over 30 years.

One thing I gleaned from the article was that the sisters felt like Maxie's case didn't get much attention because LE was very busy at the time. Hmmm.

 

[youshouldveknown]

That's a great catch, justthinkin.

I wonder who 'Scott' is, and who these two 'persons of interest' are as well and if they have any link to this case.

Those two pictures of him makes me think of pictures of my father and his brothers in the mid to late seventies. I'll follow you on the Maxie thread, justthinkin