Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #12

[carolinalady]

Who the heck is Mary Anderson? If this has been discussed or referenced somewhere, please let me know.

Mary Anderson is mentioned in Jessica Adam's affidavit. I'd guess she's another friend.

 

[CARYISHOME]

Mary Anderson is mentioned in Jessica Adam's affidavit. I'd guess she's another friend.

Thanks. I'll review.

 

[SusieClue]

The following points, when taken not individually, but as a whole are my basis for believing Brad is guilty:

1. A marriage in trouble/ a divorce looming and separation details not yet agreed upon/a separation agreement (unsigned) that basically strips Brad of everything he values most – house, money, kids, good reputation, hard earned lifestyle, and live-in maid
2. A pattern of deceit by Brad (lying about affairs, etc.)
3. Many eyewitness accounts suggesting that Brad has a controlling, narcissistic personality
4. Brad was the last person to see Nancy alive
5. NOBODY saw her jogging in an area where many people are out and about and “everyone” knew her
6. Her body was nowhere near her normal running routes
7. Her body was found so close to home. I think a random killer would have gone to much greater lengths to hide the body, but Brad didn’t have much time since the girls were at home sleeping
8. HE DIDN’T REPORT HER MISSING
9. IF he indeed did have a tennis match at 9:30, he would have made darn sure she knew that so that she would be back from her run and taking over kid duty in time for him to go in which case, he should have most certainly been worried when she didn’t show up around 9:00
10. He didn’t tell his family or her family that Nancy was missing
11. He went to buy laundry detergent once the store was open. (Why, if he was never interested in doing laundry before, and he was not the partner normally in charge of buying groceries -you know, the one who had the grocery budget and the cash to buy the groceries - would he be so interested in buying laundry detergent and why SO early in the morning? Did he pay with cash from the grocery stipend? My husband and I recently resorted to using cash only for groceries, as recommended by popular financial advisor – Dave Ramsey, and it works great. But IF my husband ever goes to the grocery store he asks me for the grocery money. Her purse was in the car. )

12.He made yet another trip out (claims to the grocery AGAIN – sorry, no hubby is that nice especially in this strained marriage) most likely to the car wash. (was the car exceptionally clean when they searched?)

13. He didn’t attend his wife’s memorial or funeral services or most of the press conferences
14. To my knowledge, none of the many neighbors on Fielding Drive (the road that the killer would have had to take) claimed seeing any unknown cars drive by on Sat a.m. (Not Brad’s and not the mystery killer’s) Which leads me to believe he dumped her body in the middle of the night, when it was dark and there was no risk of anyone seeing him or the girls waking up.

 

[SleuthyGal]

Excellent summation, SusieClue, and I concur that with all your facts taken in totality, it would be illogical NOT to think that the husband might have been responsible for his wife's disappearance and murder.

 

[jumpstreet]

Regarding the timeline, as a runner, (similar to what several others have noted) the notion of someone training for a half heading out for a run at 7:00, with an appointment at 8:00 seemed a stretch.

However, it occurred to me today (while out for a run actually - continuing to flip this tragedy over and over in my head), that when I'm training for a distance event (half marathon or higher, as Nancy was), that I get fairly regimented in the mileage schedule especially as the race draws closer, and the number of "long-runs" I need prior to the goal.

Especially the longer-runs. IIRC, Nancy's goal race was in Virginia in early September (< 6 weeks away) - she didn't have but maybe 3-4 more weeks with most every long run being fairly important.

Seems BC's affidavit indicated that Carrie had canceled their long-run in Umstead the day prior. [ Doesn't say whether Nancy went/ran anyway on Friday I don't think ].

Maybe because of the cancellation, she felt some pressure to at least get in some miles (even if somewhat unplanned) on Saturday morning before the painting. Maybe she figured she could stretch a run from 7-8 or 7-8:30, and still have time to get to JA's by 9:00. (Granted a little later than JA indicates was planned, but perhaps the 8:00 start time was "soft" (ie, maybe it was a "let's start around 8ish" )).

I don't know how "regimented" or "dedicated" she was, but anyway, it did occur to me that this would be a relatively simple explanation for the 7:00 departure, even with a 8ish appointment. (Need to get in the miles to stay on schedule).

It would be consistent with the other (unconfirmed) post that someone reported seeing someone with relevant clothing around 8am.

It's also been said no one (else?) has claimed to have seen someone jogging at that time (busy time of day, popular running trails). I agree, but do we know for sure that no one (else?) did see her report it, but has been asked not to disclose it publicly yet?.

[ Though during the search time, I would think folks who may have seen her maybe would have reported it (at least SOMEONE), to those leading the search. ]

Anyway, enough of my ramblings from the "run" - continued prayers for all involved.

 

[carolinalady]

Thanks. I'll review.

I just listened to the 911 call again. One of the places it cuts out, Jessica is saying that "she is now hysterical having the same thoughts about the husband" or something like that...It sounds like she's talking about another friend. My guess would be it's Mary Anderson since she's the one that meets the police w/ Jessica.

 

[Just the Fax]

The following points, when taken not individually, but as a whole are my basis for believing Brad is guilty:

1. A marriage in trouble/ a divorce looming and separation details not yet agreed upon/a separation agreement (unsigned) that basically strips Brad of everything he values most – house, money, kids, good reputation, hard earned lifestyle, and live-in maid
2. A pattern of deceit by Brad (lying about affairs, etc.)
3. Many eyewitness accounts suggesting that Brad has a controlling, narcissistic personality
4. Brad was the last person to see Nancy alive
5. NOBODY saw her jogging in an area where many people are out and about and “everyone” knew her
6. Her body was nowhere near her normal running routes
7. Her body was found so close to home. I think a random killer would have gone to much greater lengths to hide the body, but Brad didn’t have much time since the girls were at home sleeping
8. HE DIDN’T REPORT HER MISSING
9. IF he indeed did have a tennis match at 9:30, he would have made darn sure she knew that so that she would be back from her run and taking over kid duty in time for him to go in which case, he should have most certainly been worried when she didn’t show up around 9:00
10. He didn’t tell his family or her family that Nancy was missing
11. He went to buy laundry detergent once the store was open. (Why, if he was never interested in doing laundry before, and he was not the partner normally in charge of buying groceries -you know, the one who had the grocery budget and the cash to buy the groceries - would he be so interested in buying laundry detergent and why SO early in the morning? Did he pay with cash from the grocery stipend? My husband and I recently resorted to using cash only for groceries, as recommended by popular financial advisor – Dave Ramsey, and it works great. But IF my husband ever goes to the grocery store he asks me for the grocery money. Her purse was in the car. )

12.He made yet another trip out (claims to the grocery AGAIN – sorry, no hubby is that nice especially in this strained marriage) most likely to the car wash. (was the car exceptionally clean when they searched?)

13. He didn’t attend his wife’s memorial or funeral services or most of the press conferences
14. To my knowledge, none of the many neighbors on Fielding Drive (the road that the killer would have had to take) claimed seeing any unknown cars drive by on Sat a.m. (Not Brad’s and not the mystery killer’s) Which leads me to believe he dumped her body in the middle of the night, when it was dark and there was no risk of anyone seeing him or the girls waking up.

Great list SusieClue

We have a list twice as long for Jason Young with extremely compelling CE.
Unfortunately Jascum is still walking free 21 months later.:furious:

 

[Deduction]

They had several dogs out during the search time. I saw a fresh one come in on Monday afternoon.

Good, I am glad to hear someone reporting in on this. Do you know if a dog was used to attemp to try and track her from her home ( last place she was known to be)? If they were able to pick up her scent and follow her from there? Was this tried? What happened? I can't believe the media has not had much more to say on this subject.

 

[Snowlover77]

The interesting thing in this case is that NC's friends IMMEDIATELY were alarmed when she didn't show up. I mean within an HOUR they were worried.

That tells me either the friends are completely paranoid and nervous nellies OR they had a suspicion that something bad/violent was about to occur in that rel'p and they were on alert for something.

Thoughts?

I have to agree with you. The fact that two of her friends immediately called LE is a BIG red flag, IMO. I believe they knew enough of the awful relationship Nancy was in to be afraid for her and her being late wasn't something that was normal for her.

 

[Skittles]

I think we need to have a separate thread..or a page...something that lists each of the 'players' in this drama and what their rel'p is to the victim or the victim's family. So everyone could just go there and cross-reference who a particular person is.

There is one! Note that it's a "no discussion" thread.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67647

 

[raisincharlie]

Regarding the timeline, as a runner, (similar to what several others have noted) the notion of someone training for a half heading out for a run at 7:00, with an appointment at 8:00 seemed a stretch.

However, it occurred to me today (while out for a run actually - continuing to flip this tragedy over and over in my head), that when I'm training for a distance event (half marathon or higher, as Nancy was), that I get fairly regimented in the mileage schedule especially as the race draws closer, and the number of "long-runs" I need prior to the goal.

Especially the longer-runs. IIRC, Nancy's goal race was in Virginia in early September (< 6 weeks away) - she didn't have but maybe 3-4 more weeks with most every long run being fairly important.

Seems BC's affidavit indicated that Carrie had canceled their long-run in Umstead the day prior. [ Doesn't say whether Nancy went/ran anyway on Friday I don't think ].

Maybe because of the cancellation, she felt some pressure to at least get in some miles (even if somewhat unplanned) on Saturday morning before the painting. Maybe she figured she could stretch a run from 7-8 or 7-8:30, and still have time to get to JA's by 9:00. (Granted a little later than JA indicates was planned, but perhaps the 8:00 start time was "soft" (ie, maybe it was a "let's start around 8ish" )).

I don't know how "regimented" or "dedicated" she was, but anyway, it did occur to me that this would be a relatively simple explanation for the 7:00 departure, even with a 8ish appointment. (Need to get in the miles to stay on schedule).

It would be consistent with the other (unconfirmed) post that someone reported seeing someone with relevant clothing around 8am.

It's also been said no one (else?) has claimed to have seen someone jogging at that time (busy time of day, popular running trails). I agree, but do we know for sure that no one (else?) did see her report it, but has been asked not to disclose it publicly yet?.

[ Though during the search time, I would think folks who may have seen her maybe would have reported it (at least SOMEONE), to those leading the search. ]

Anyway, enough of my ramblings from the "run" - continued prayers for all involved.

Thanks for the info jumpstreet -for those of us who just jog for the benefits and not for competition - very informative. I suspect that if anyone saw Nancy that morning and they went to LE that the media would not be made aware of that - it would be part of the investigation and I'm confident LE would request that person to not disclose the information.

In case you missed it, a local person - wirehair - indicated that LE was back out on Holly Springs Road passing out fliers again this past weekend. So they are still looking for information - hopefully someone provides it.

 

[jilly]

Thought this was interesting :

http://www.squawkfox.com/2008/02/13/the-cost-of-doing-an-ironman-triathlon/

Brad's hobbies weren't exactly cheap - add in he has the gym membership he references and so on - he was equally capable of spending a fair amount of money that did not benefit his family in any way it seems.

cannot take credit for this link it was brought to my attention by some really good sleuthers. Thanks !

Holy Cow! Can't see him being the 'budget athlete' either. Definitely the 'big spender' one.
Yup...I bet he felt pretty good about those $8,000 paintings in his home too and now he tries to make out that it was all Nancy's doing.
I kinda sat up when I read in his rebuttal about getting a bouquet of roses for his 4 yr old daughter at her dance recital. I kinda thought that was a little much and then when I read further that he brought 2 other bouquets for the instructors, I thought, yeah this guy is portraying that he's a big shot and needs to be recognized.

 

[CARYISHOME]

Holy Cow! Can't see him being the 'budget athlete' either. Definitely the 'big spender' one.
Yup...I bet he felt pretty good about those $8,000 paintings in his home too and now he tries to make out that it was all Nancy's doing.
I kinda sat up when I read in his rebuttal about getting a bouquet of roses for his 4 yr old daughter at her dance recital. I kinda thought that was a little much and then when I read further that he brought 2 other bouquets for the instructors, I thought, yeah this guy is portraying that he's a big shot and needs to be recognized.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

 

[fran]

The interesting thing in this case is that NC's friends IMMEDIATELY were alarmed when she didn't show up. I mean within an HOUR they were worried.

That tells me either the friends are completely paranoid and nervous nellies OR they had a suspicion that something bad/violent was about to occur in that rel'p and they were on alert for something.

Thoughts?

Either that or they're Claire Voyent. J/K

Obvisously they were right as to the situation, since she ended up dead.

IMHO, THAT'S the proof that their PROBABLY was abuse in the relationship. I doubt that Brad could come up with a counter to that to show there was no abuse. At that point, WORDS are empty.


fran

 

[CARYISHOME]

I suppose nothing happened with the gJ today?

 

[raisincharlie]

Holy Cow! Can't see him being the 'budget athlete' either. Definitely the 'big spender' one.
Yup...I bet he felt pretty good about those $8,000 paintings in his home too and now he tries to make out that it was all Nancy's doing.
I kinda sat up when I read in his rebuttal about getting a bouquet of roses for his 4 yr old daughter at her dance recital. I kinda thought that was a little much and then when I read further that he brought 2 other bouquets for the instructors, I thought, yeah this guy is portraying that he's a big shot and needs to be recognized.

Ms. Jilly

I occasionally buy flowers for my little one and believe me if I don't do the same for her instructor - I'm dead meat ! :crazy:

Just have to aggravate. Honestly I can understand that to a degree so I have no problem with it actually. But, I don't believe Nancy was the only one who spent money and ran up the charge cards. Brad himself said after he paid bills he gave nancy 80&#37; of the money and he kept 20% - no way on 20% was he paying for the stuff to compete out his pocket money - seems obvious to me. I don't besmirch him for doing so, he worked, he deserved to bear some good from working, I just have a problem about him whinning about his deceased wife.

 

[fran]

It is, I'm watching it now.

Edited to add that Clea says that she had spoken to Carrie/Carey and they (Nancy & Carrie) DID NOT have plans to run that morning.

Thanks carolinalady!

Yes Bob&Bob, I couldn't find it!

However, carolinalady has given me the answer.

NANCY AND CAREY HAD NO PLANS TO RUN THAT MORNING!!

Another point that can be checked out on Brad's story. He's ehhh....wrong.

Guess we all pretty well knew the answer but now it is , eeehhh.......verified and confirmed.

Thanks all,
fran

 

[momto3kids]

I suppose nothing happened with the gJ today?

Would we hear the same day anything is presented or is there paper work to do?
Guess he is probably spending time checking what we are sayingnline: or going to HT to buy paper plates and cups since he doesn't wash dishes.

 

[Just the Fax]

I suppose nothing happened with the gJ today?

No surprise.

If and when they indict, look for an arrest late afternoon or early evening of the same day.

 

[CARYISHOME]

Would we hear the same day anything is presented or is there paper work to do?
Guess he is probably spending time checking what we are sayingnline: or going to HT to buy paper plates and cups since he doesn't wash dishes.

I think it would be on the news so I suppose nothing was presented today.