Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #24

[The Saint]

what i wonder is whether any of the things carried out in bags reflected what nancy was supposed to get on the division of property.

could it be that during a fight, brad started tearing up
bella's bed
bella's armoire

or the treadmill?
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"The couple had divided up their marital property, with Bradley Cooper getting the washer and dryer, master bed, Bella's dresser, the coffeemaker and a 56-inch TV, while Nancy Cooper would get the dining room table and chairs, a treadmill, Bella's bed and armoire and the living room's flat-screen TV, among other items."

http://www.newsobserver.com/2864/story/1151638.html

 

[The Saint]

The shortest length of a bed rail is 6'3" and that is a twin bed.(191cm) A day bed uses a twin mattress, but not a bed rail for the mattress. It is a full 1 pc metal unit that bolts to the 3 sides, so that a trundle can be used underneath if one wants to have another mattress.

I keep looking at the man carrying it out and he does not use a hand to grasp it like one should have to.

I really did think like NCN? mentioned it might be a pole lamp, but after parading around here with mine and dropping it...it just can't be carried with out a grasp either.

The only other thing I keep thinking is a possible small rug or the BMW trunk liner/mat.

The length, width, weight and grasp is the key to this item. :waitasec:

I keep thinking the bag looking like a pillow might be associated with this long item, since they are coming out the same time and possibly from the same room.

daybeds come in many different designs and widths. it may have been a piece that was from the width and not the length.
it could have been a piece from a youth bed.
it might have been a thick ironing board

in the picture called "being silly" on the memorial site, if that is the cooper home, there are 2 things that the tall bag could have covered that are in that picture --- an accent rug behind nancy and something to the camera left of the red stroller in the back room on the right.

i can't tell what it is but it is the right height. it looks like a long mirror sitting on the floor. i think it is reflecting the red stroller.

 

[ncnative]

Mom, I'm not the one who thought the long bag contained a floor lamp. I'm with the comforter or custom window treatment, but really don't know.

Saint's picture of BC raging while destroying the things that Nancy was to get in the divorce settlement scared me!

As to Scott Heider, I didn't say he was "heinous" in any way. I say that he is trying too hard to put himself out there on his blog, which surfaced after Nancy's murder to overload the reader with his good dad traits, his photos of the children on the Internet, ...well, you can read what I (and he) wrote or not. He knows he's been spread over the 'net due to his being Brad's buddy, his wife's affairs, all enmeshed in this murder scenario. I think he's using his blog now to show himself the way he wants people to see him, plus he likes to show off his body, obviously.

In the end, I feel that Scott Heider may be a thread in the fabric of this event, and maybe Scott knows it too so he's working to put what he thinks will portray him as a daddy-guy, family man out there. He's working too hard at it.

 

[jumpstreet]

i think what sets nancy's case apart from many others is being able to read those affidavits regarding the custody. they really painted a very dramatic portrait of a troubled marriage, a marriage where the wife ended up being murdered.

a "missing jogger' was reminiscent of the runaway bride. people were wondering whether this would be the same outcome. i think people felt like the issues involved were things that they may have faced in their own lives during a divorce. why did nancy end up dead and they didn't? they might be feeling like they could have been nancy.

and seeing the lovely little girls who lost their mother, plus the drama of the victim's parents trying to keep them away from the man they feel killed their daughter.

it has all of the elements to hold the public's attention.

it is a story about money not buying happiness.

Well said Saint!

[ Glad I'm not the only one who thinks there's at least a few elements about this case that seem to make it 'somewhat unique' ]

 

[reddress58]

Speedos are effeminate? Now I'm going to have to rethink my view of everyone from Mark Spitz in '72 up to and through the 90's and every other male Olympic athlete that wore them, as well as every triathlete that wears them. My world view may have just shifted, and not in a good way! :wink:

BTW, I don't see Scott Heider as heinous at all. He believes his friend didn't commit this crime; he may change his mind later, or maybe he won't. A man who clearly loves his sons and is nurturing and cares about them and was probably hurt very badly from a spouse who cheated on him (with at least one, if not more men). I reserve such (derogatory) terms for like O.J. Simpson, Mark Hacking, Neil Entwistle, etc, etc. A guy who likes to exercise and do Ironmen competitions? Pretty low on the 'horrible/heinous scale.' I'd rather spend an evening in his company than say, one of the Enron crooks or the killer of Michelle Young. At a minimum I'd probably get some good exercise/workout tips and a meal balanced with the right % of protein/carbs/fat. :smile:

I couldn't agree with you more on ALL points! My male children swam for years in the 90's and early 2000's; and I take offense at anyone suggesting they are anything less than masculine. Small Speedos are what competitive swimmers typically wore and still do for diving. They just recently changed the style to more of a bike short type suit; much to male swimmers' delight everywhere. The boys didn't exactly care for the style, but everyone wore them, so they grinned and bared it.

I come from a whole family of competitive athletes; triathletes included. It is no more of an ego thing than a very competitive Type A business workaholic. They are driven mostly by beating and bettering their own times. Not so by the ego or body image. Many are quite skinny and prefer NOT to look muscular because it adds weight for up hill bike climbs and running. Just because we happen to suspect one particular athlete as being self-centered, narcissistic and calous, does not make the majority that way. We should not be assuming anything about SH. The circumstances do not point to him in committing the crime; and belittling him for something many men and women do...including creating a personal website...only makes our group look ignorant.

 

[momto3kids]

Mom, I'm not the one who thought the long bag contained a floor lamp. I'm with the comforter or custom window treatment, but really don't know.

Saint's picture of BC raging while destroying the things that Nancy was to get in the divorce settlement scared me!

As to Scott Heider, I didn't say he was "heinous" in any way. I say that he is trying too hard to put himself out there on his blog, which surfaced after Nancy's murder to overload the reader with his good dad traits, his photos of the children on the Internet.

NCN....that is why when I said pole lamp I put a ? after your name, because I don't remember who it was speaking of a pole lamp and thought it might have been you.

One thing I did NOT say at any time was SH was 'heinous', which you put in your response to me. I never brought SH name up yesterday and the only time I did was a few days ago when I mentioned what week he might have gone to the beach with his sons. But I never conversed about his swim suit, etc.

 

[ncnative]

Reddress and others, please do not get the post info from one poster to another mixed up and then make a comment derived from that mix. I said my thing, others said theirs. Yours and other comments seemed to brew several other posters' comments into one, which isn't how it was put out here, at least not by me. Of course, tone not being heard, nuance, etc., someone could have taken comments in a more harsh manner than was meant.

Not that it matters. Athletes and competition aside, I detest seeing men's skimpy Speedos being worn, on a personal level. I didn't say they were effeminate. :Justice: :nuts::viking::nuts:Someone else did. Somehow, this is taking on a "justice for Speedos" air. :floorlaugh:The gist of my message about Scott is in my posts.

 

[jumpstreet]

I definitely agree (with ncnative?) that not all triathletes who wear speedos and have their own web-blog are killers.
Side bar: Do we even know if BC ever wore speedos?

 

[ncnative]

Speedos are effeminate? Now I'm going to have to rethink my view of everyone from Mark Spitz in '72 up to and through the 90's and every other male Olympic athlete that wore them, as well as every triathlete that wears them. My world view may have just shifted, and not in a good way! :wink:

BTW, I don't see Scott Heider as heinous at all. He believes his friend didn't commit this crime; he may change his mind later, or maybe he won't. A man who clearly loves his sons and is nurturing and cares about them and was probably hurt very badly from a spouse who cheated on him (with at least one, if not more men). I reserve such (derogatory) terms for like O.J. Simpson, Mark Hacking, Neil Entwistle, etc, etc. A guy who likes to exercise and do Ironmen competitions? Pretty low on the 'horrible/heinous scale.' I'd rather spend an evening in his company than say, one of the Enron crooks or the killer of Michelle Young. At a minimum I'd probably get some good exercise/workout tips and a meal balanced with the right % of protein/carbs/fat. :smile:

1)There's the "heinous" comment, up above. I don't know who may have originally said heinous. 'Tweren't me. If it was, then, show me and: :viking::laughbounce:

2)MOM2Three: I saw your "?" . I was just clarifying that it 't'weren't me who said pole lamp. It's not a big dealio. It's hard to read nuance, tone, etc. through a message board post, isn't it? :blowkiss:

 

[ncnative]

LOL, Jumpstreet. Now we have BC wearing a Speedo? And someone thinks that someone said that there's possibly a triathlete with a web-blog who is a killer? I think someone(s) is playing that game where you whisper something in someone's ear, then they whisper it to the next person and so on, til you get to the end of the line, and BEHOLD!! It's an entirely different message than started out.:talker::talker::talker::talker::trout:

 

[jumpstreet]

:rolling:

 

[momto3kids]

1)There's the "heinous" comment, up above. I don't know who may have originally said heinous. 'Tweren't me. If it was, then, show me and: :viking::laughbounce:

2)MOM2Three: I saw your "?" . I was just clarifying that it 't'weren't me who said pole lamp. It's not a big dealio. It's hard to read nuance, tone, etc. through a message board post, isn't it? :blowkiss:

I went thru and saw the original poster who stated heinous, but wanted to clarify I never said it since your response was to me. That is all I was trying to do is seperate myself from the heinous comment.

Someone on here posted a beautiful stain glass pole lamp awhile back and I thought it might have been you. That was the reason I put the ?, because of my uncertainty.
I just remember posting how I tried to parade it around and didn't grasp it like the photo person didn't and then had to take it to goodwill because I slightly bent it when I dropped it.

Absolutely no problem NCN....

 

[momto3kids]

daybeds come in many different designs and widths. it may have been a piece that was from the width and not the length.
it could have been a piece from a youth bed.
it might have been a thick ironing board

in the picture called "being silly" on the memorial site, if that is the cooper home, there are 2 things that the tall bag could have covered that are in that picture --- an accent rug behind nancy and something to the camera left of the red stroller in the back room on the right.

i can't tell what it is but it is the right height. it looks like a long mirror sitting on the floor. i think it is reflecting the red stroller.

The 'being silly' won't be in NC's home. Her home has an immediate wall when you enter as we have seen when LE entered and video'd. The wall with the mirror, table and lamp sits there and would obstruct a front door entrance from where the picture was taken of NC. The keys in her hand also lead me to believe she had run in to someone's house and was 'being silly'.

 

[EntreNous]

Mom, I'm not the one who thought the long bag contained a floor lamp. I'm with the comforter or custom window treatment, but really don't know.

Saint's picture of BC raging while destroying the things that Nancy was to get in the divorce settlement scared me!

As to Scott Heider, I didn't say he was "heinous" in any way. I say that he is trying too hard to put himself out there on his blog, which surfaced after Nancy's murder to overload the reader with his good dad traits, his photos of the children on the Internet, ...well, you can read what I (and he) wrote or not. He knows he's been spread over the 'net due to his being Brad's buddy, his wife's affairs, all enmeshed in this murder scenario. I think he's using his blog now to show himself the way he wants people to see him, plus he likes to show off his body, obviously.

In the end, I feel that Scott Heider may be a thread in the fabric of this event, and maybe Scott knows it too so he's working to put what he thinks will portray him as a daddy-guy, family man out there. He's working too hard at it.

I'm the one who thought the item in the bag was possibly a floor lamp. I think I'm also the one who may have said that SH was heinous in the Speedo. Of course, that's just my opinion but it's just grotesque. No man in his right mind should ever wear one of those regardless of their fitness level.

 

[EntreNous]

I couldn't agree with you more on ALL points! My male children swam for years in the 90's and early 2000's; and I take offense at anyone suggesting they are anything less than masculine. Small Speedos are what competitive swimmers typically wore and still do for diving. They just recently changed the style to more of a bike short type suit; much to male swimmers' delight everywhere. The boys didn't exactly care for the style, but everyone wore them, so they grinned and bared it.

I come from a whole family of competitive athletes; triathletes included. It is no more of an ego thing than a very competitive Type A business workaholic. They are driven mostly by beating and bettering their own times. Not so by the ego or body image. Many are quite skinny and prefer NOT to look muscular because it adds weight for up hill bike climbs and running. Just because we happen to suspect one particular athlete as being self-centered, narcissistic and calous, does not make the majority that way. We should not be assuming anything about SH. The circumstances do not point to him in committing the crime; and belittling him for something many men and women do...including creating a personal website...only makes our group look ignorant.

Sorry, don't mean to offend anyone, my kids were swimmers too but the little bikini Speedos weren't allowed at their school. That was between 1998-2007. The boys on the team wore the ones that come to just above the knee.

The fact that I find them extremely unattractive is just my opinion. If it is a part of a school uniform I understand that, but a grown man, given the option of something more discrete but chooses the bikini to run in??? Well, it's off putting. And to me, in this case, it very much looks like it was his personal choice to wear what he wore.

And I don't think anyone here is attacking someone for being an athlete. The issue is the timing of SH's blog, in combination with some of his actions and comments which appear to be somewhat askew. Read his first entry, then read his affidavit, and take into consideration his closeness to BC after BC had an affair with his wife, etc.

 

[momto3kids]

I'm the one who thought the item in the bag was possibly a floor lamp. I think I'm also the one who may have said that SH was heinous in the Speedo. Of course, that's just my opinion but it's just grotesque. No man in his right mind should ever wear one of those regardless of their fitness level.

EN...It was you with the floor lamp. I wasn't sure who it was...I just remember our conversation about one, and my explaining how untalented I was in carrying it my house. :crazy:

I believe it still could be a pole lamp if it was a different style than the stain glass one you showed. My daughter just got this pole lamp with flexable arms on it. The guy carrying it could have put a few of the arms down and carried it this way without a grasp on it. It's not too heavy either, except for the base.

BC could have grabbed the cord out of the wall while she was lying down and tried to strangle her. This is another good possibility.

 

[Anderson]

i think what sets nancy's case apart from many others is being able to read those affidavits regarding the custody. they really painted a very dramatic portrait of a troubled marriage, a marriage where the wife ended up being murdered.

a "missing jogger' was reminiscent of the runaway bride. people were wondering whether this would be the same outcome. i think people felt like the issues involved were things that they may have faced in their own lives during a divorce. why did nancy end up dead and they didn't? they might be feeling like they could have been nancy.

and seeing the lovely little girls who lost their mother, plus the drama of the victim's parents trying to keep them away from the man they feel killed their daughter.

it has all of the elements to hold the public's attention.

it is a story about money not buying happiness.

Jumpstreet and Saint, I agree with this completely. There are many aspects of this case that are unusual, most of which you have both mentioned. The media loves controversy and that is why it was so widely reported. I believe that there was international coverage at one point. NC's parents were able to get temporary custody immediately, enabling them to take the kids out of the country and the affidavits written by both sides created additional controversy. I believe that the 911 calls from NC's close friend are also unusual. The 911 calls gave the media a focal point for the drama at one point and then the same person said quite clearly in her affidavit that she believed that Brad had murdered Nancy. Has that ever happened before? Please let me know if it has.

As we dig deeper, I think that the case becomes more interesting and unusual. As Saint points out this is where much of the drama unfolded. NC could not work, so unlike many abused women (IF that is the case for those of you who are still uncertain), she was unable to plan her move easily. If she had remained silent about her domestic situation, then we would not know as much as we do. Many abused women do take that route. They don't want people to know what is going on because they are embarrassed or afraid. So, I think that the way that NC handled the situation was unusual in that respect as well. She had not been broken. That is why it so sad.

 

[SleuthyGal]

Just because we happen to suspect one particular athlete as being self-centered, narcissistic and calous, does not make the majority that way. We should not be assuming anything about SH. The circumstances do not point to him in committing the crime; and belittling him for something many men and women do...including creating a personal website...only makes our group look ignorant.

:blowkiss: :clap: :clap:

I looked at Scott Heider's website and I was impressed by it. Anyone who can compete in, let alone finish, triathalon events has my respect for their athletic ability. Just because Brad competed in Ironman events doesn't make the sport bad. Scott has adorable kids who I'm sure are the center of his world, as they should be. I see a devoted father and a man who is wanting to do the best for them. And if he wants to brag about his accomplishments (and theirs) he should! He's worked his arse off to compete. A great physique is one of the benefits of working so hard at the sport. Heck he's inspiring me! Maybe I'll get off the couch now...and then again, maybe I won't. :wink:

 

[EntreNous]

EN...It was you with the floor lamp. I wasn't sure who it was...I just remember our conversation about one, and my explaining how untalented I was in carrying it my house. :crazy:

I believe it still could be a pole lamp if it was a different style than the stain glass one you showed. My daughter just got this pole lamp with flexable arms on it. The guy carrying it could have put a few of the arms down and carried it this way without a grasp on it. It's not too heavy either, except for the base.

BC could have grabbed the cord out of the wall while she was lying down and tried to strangle her. This is another good possibility.

Also lamps like this one and the one I posted are called torchiere lamps, because they are open at the top, closed at the bottom. It's basically a bowl or bowls like this one you posted which is ideal for catching any number of things, even a flung pair of Speedos. :crazy:

 

[Anderson]

:blowkiss: :clap: :clap:

I looked at Scott Heider's website and I was impressed by it. Anyone who can compete in, let alone finish, triathalon events has my respect for their athletic ability. Just because Brad competed in Ironman events doesn't make the sport bad. Scott has adorable kids who I'm sure are the center of his world, as they should be. I see nothing but a devoted father and a man who is wanting to do the best for them. And if he wants to brag about his accomplishments (and theirs) he should! He's worked his arse off to compete. A great physique is one of the benefits of working so hard at the sport. Heck he's inspiring me! Maybe I'll get off the couch now...then again, maybe I won't. :wink:

If the website had been up before August, then I would agree. However, I do believe that he is using the website to promote a certain image of himself. I am not suggesting that this necessarily means that he did it or helped at all. However, he knows that there is public interest in his activities and his relationship with Brad. He is using the blog, at least partly, to emphasize that Brad is his friend, he is good with children and he has not been proven guilty. The website also seems to be a way to demonstrate that SH is a good citizen. As I have mentioned before, his decision to include the communities/health organizations that he supports seems unusual for a website. You do see this sort of thing on resumes. However, this may be the norm for sports communities. Brad does not include a section like this on his website. Again, it is the timing that is interesting for me. It does seem like a response to public interest in his involvement. He continues to support Brad and I think this is, at least in part, an opportunity for SH to explain his actions.