Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #24

[tarheellvr]

EN...It was you with the floor lamp. I wasn't sure who it was...I just remember our conversation about one, and my explaining how untalented I was in carrying it my house. :crazy:


I posted regarding a floor lamp with a stained glass globe. We have one in our living room and I said the base of my lamp looks a lot like what is being carried in the bag. The base is brass, made to look as if "rolls" of brass are on top of each other and is moderately heavy. The pole itself is rather thin with the stained glass globe being almost as heavy as the lamp itself. The globe is large, round, with a fluted edge around the top. The colors are blues, greens, yellow, and a touch or cherry red. The globe is easily removable for moving the lamp.

I still contend the contents of the bag he is carrying looks IDENTICAL to the base of my floorlamp.

It came from Ethan Allen....approx. 12 yrs old.

 

[Henry7]

On another topic...does anyone have the link to the video with NC's three friends (I believe this might have been while she was still missing)? I can't seem to find it - Thanks!

 

[ncnative]

If the website had been up before August, then I would agree. However, I do believe that he is using the website to promote a certain image of himself. I am not suggesting that this necessarily means that he did it or helped at all. However, he knows that there is public interest in his activities and his relationship with Brad. He is using the blog, at least partly, to emphasize that Brad is his friend, he is good with children and he has not been proven guilty. The website also seems to be a way to demonstrate that SH is a good citizen. As I have mentioned before, his decision to include the communities/health organizations that he supports seems unusual for a website. You do see this sort of thing on resumes. However, this may be the norm for sports communities. Brad does not include a section like this on his website. Again, it is the timing that is interesting for me. It does seem like a response to public interest in his involvement. He continues to support Brad and I think this is, at least in part, an opportunity for SH to explain his actions.

On Scott Heider: THANK YOU, ANDERSON. You get what I was saying. The others do not. They have taken what I said and turned it into silliness. Thank you again, Anderson. You get it. I won't even answer to some of the silly misinterpretations that I have read.:bang: And just in case they STILL don't get it, I said that Scott Heider probably KNOWS something that we don't know. I NEVER suggested that he murdered NC. Good LORD.

And to me, his website smacks of many things, among them he is, like Anderson and I agree --using his website to publicly promote a certain image of himself, with very specific timing. Just in case. And many had something to say about the Cooper children "dangerously" having their photos all over the Internet. Now, certain of you are thinking that Scott Heider's having his kids on the Internet is just fine and fatherly. What's the difference there?

 

[momto3kids]

I posted regarding a floor lamp with a stained glass globe. We have one in our living room and I said the base of my lamp looks a lot like what is being carried in the bag. The base is brass, made to look as if "rolls" of brass are on top of each other and is moderately heavy. The pole itself is rather thin with the stained glass globe being almost as heavy as the lamp itself. The globe is large, round, with a fluted edge around the top. The colors are blues, greens, yellow, and a touch or cherry red. The globe is easily removable for moving the lamp.

I still contend the contents of the bag he is carrying looks IDENTICAL to the base of my floorlamp.

It came from Ethan Allen....approx. 12 yrs old.

Can you take a photo of your base? I'm thinking the base is too narrow at the bottom for a top heavy stain glass shade. I can be totally wrong also. Just think you might have solved the mystery for us.

EN posted a photo of a stain glass pole lamp which had a flat base and not one like you are describing.

The pole lamp could be exactly what was carried out. Maybe the stain glass was broken or removed to carry out so it wouldn't break, since it didn't look like it was a heavy item. I still cant' figure how it was carried with out a GRASP, which with a pole lamp IMO would be needed. Did he use the cord for strangulation, or the pole to knock her over the head? Could be.

 

[momto3kids]

On another topic...does anyone have the link to the video with NC's three friends (I believe this might have been while she was still missing)? I can't seem to find it - Thanks!

I'm looking H7...I just saw it a few days ago, but having a time locating it.

I did find this video that has many pictures of Nancy I had not seen. Want to pass it on. Click launch under Dan Abrams photo ..http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/25732503/

 

[The Saint]

Jumpstreet and Saint, I agree with this completely. There are many aspects of this case that are unusual, most of which you have both mentioned. The media loves controversy and that is why it was so widely reported. I believe that there was international coverage at one point. NC's parents were able to get temporary custody immediately, enabling them to take the kids out of the country and the affidavits written by both sides created additional controversy. I believe that the 911 calls from NC's close friend are also unusual. The 911 calls gave the media a focal point for the drama at one point and then the same person said quite clearly in her affidavit that she believed that Brad had murdered Nancy. Has that ever happened before? Please let me know if it has.

As we dig deeper, I think that the case becomes more interesting and unusual. As Saint points out this is where much of the drama unfolded. NC could not work, so unlike many abused women (IF that is the case for those of you who are still uncertain), she was unable to plan her move easily. If she had remained silent about her domestic situation, then we would not know as much as we do. Many abused women do take that route. They don't want people to know what is going on because they are embarrassed or afraid. So, I think that the way that NC handled the situation was unusual in that respect as well. She had not been broken. That is why it so sad.

i think that many murders occur under the circumstances called "A Perfect Storm;" the alignment of several things that may not have normally caused a violent outburst but when they happen all at the same time, it proves to be fatal for the victim.

judging by his and the other affidavits, brad seemed very angry that
nancy wasn't making any money. he was the sole breadwinner. he liked to complain about it but it was his means of control over her.

when she tried to make money painting homes, he didn't reward her, he punished her --- he withheld the weekly allowance for her and the girls.

brad controlled nancy through the money. he complained about her spending to others. to his circle of friends, brad portrayed himself as the poor, beleaguered husband whose wife was
spending all of HIS hard-earned money.

what if nancy's business took off and she didn't need to beg him for money anymore? the balance of power would be shifting and he knew it. she was slipping away.

if what both the forensic astrologer and claycat saw were true about the night of the party; nancy using the party as a networking opportunity and she came home with people's business cards as well as her own and fanned them out on table, brad may have gone ballistic.

nancy and brad had already fought about her getting paid for painting
(it must have embarrassed him that people knew about his withholding money form nancy), coupled with seeing the evidence of nancy's future life without him, it became extremely deadly.

he may have thought that nancy was complaining about him to all those people at the party. if he had had a hotheaded friend over while she was at the party and they were ragging about nancy for hours, and perhaps drinking, it made it
even more volatile.

i find it strange that instead of keeping bella's bedroom set together after a split, brad had the dresser on his list of what he was keeping.

maybe this was so bella would have furniture she recognized as being familiar as "hers" when she stayed with him. or could it be it was a "gimme" grab by brad designed to bug nancy?

some divorced parents have the same set of toys and kids' room furniture
as to make each new parental home seem familiar to the children.

 

[rmass]

On another topic...does anyone have the link to the video with NC's three friends (I believe this might have been while she was still missing)? I can't seem to find it - Thanks!

Try post #26 in the media links thread. The video embedded in the linked article may be what you are looking for.

 

[Henry7]

Thank you rmass - that was it!

 

[momto3kids]

To add to your post Saint..........

BC's affidavit………#165 The night before Nancy disappeared, we attended a neighbors BBQ party. We all walked home around 8pm to put the children to bed. I stayed home with them. Nancy remained at the BBQ.

MM's affidavit….#9 & #10 Brad and Nancy came over to our house the Wednesday before Nancy disappeared. Nancy asked us if Brad could come to dinner. Because Nancy had told us about Brad his sleeping with Heather, I think he felt awkward coming around.

DD affidavit…#17 At our house on Friday July 11th, Brad did not seem to understand what Katie wanted or needed-he complained he could not tell. Nancy, frustrated, told him to pay more attention to the signals, since Katie did not talk yet.

DT affidavit…#4 I was with Nancy at the Duncan's on Friday July 11th, 2008. I spent the last hour and a half of the party talking to Nancy. During that time she told me that she Brad were "back in the hate mode."

So in a NUTSHELL, this is what I am reading between the lines.
On the 9th, BC was hesitant to go to the Morwicks, people he knew well.
Just 2 nights later Nancy talks back to him in front of other guests..something I am sure most likely enraged him.
She follows him home to put the girls to bed because she senses he is PO'd since she talked back to him. Then she reminds him she IS going to paint at JA as well .
She goes back to the BBQ and talks to DT saying they are back in the 'hate' mode.
He gets more enraged while she is back at the BBQ and when she got home her moments were numbered as tempers flared between both of them.

 

[raisincharlie]

I still think she was done with him and had plans to leave. Don't think he liked that idea.

 

[SleuthyGal]

Mom,

So you think he KNEW as of that Friday night that she had plans to paint with JA the next morning? This is a key point in your theory because I could not understand why Brad said she went running around 7am *if* he knew she had plans at 8am. I thought and felt that he didn't know and that was a surprise to him (and what made his story about her leaving @ 7am sound suspicious...cause why would she leave around 7am if she had plans in 1 hr?)

Care to elaborate a bit more on your theory around that?

 

[reddress58]

Mom,

So you think he KNEW as of that Friday night that she had plans to paint with JA the next morning? This is a key point in your theory because I could not understand why Brad said she went running around 7am *if* he knew she had plans at 8am. I thought and felt that he didn't know and that was a surprise to him (and what made his story about her leaving @ 7am sound suspicious...cause why would she leave around 7am if she had plans in 1 hr?)

Care to elaborate a bit more on your theory around that?

He may have known this but felt he could give an hour to the run. He had to come up with something if the crime was committed in a heat of passion. JMO

 

[SleuthyGal]

He may have known this but felt he could give an hour to the run. He had to come up with something if the crime was committed in a heat of passion. JMO

I guess so. Would have been more 'plausible' if he had her leaving between 6am and 6:30am but then again, he needed to be at HT a couple of times, which I still maintain was truly a bad/stupid maneuver since it was out-of-character and not part of his normal activities.

 

[reddress58]

I guess so. Would have been more 'plausible' if he had her leaving between 6am and 6:30am but then again, he needed to be at HT a couple of times, which I still maintain was truly a bad/stupid maneuver since it was out-of-character and not part of his normal activities.

If I had to guess, I'd say he didn't know about the painting with JA with what info I know. But since Mom always has inside scoop, I try to make some sense taking her "givens" into consideration. I am grateful that she is able to give us these "hints". It gives us new food for thought and helps us develop ideas we may not have considered on our own.

 

[SleuthyGal]

Yes, I've learned I have to pay close attention to Mom's hints 'n tidbits! She challenges my brain that way. :wink:

 

[momto3kids]

Mom,

So you think he KNEW as of that Friday night that she had plans to paint with JA the next morning? This is a key point in your theory because I could not understand why Brad said she went running around 7am *if* he knew she had plans at 8am. I thought and felt that he didn't know and that was a surprise to him (and what made his story about her leaving @ 7am sound suspicious...cause why would she leave around 7am if she had plans in 1 hr?)

Care to elaborate a bit more on your theory around that?

SG....BC has contradicted his own affidavit in some statements he has made. This one came to light with me with all the comparisons I have done between affidavits.

They have 2 small children and their plans had to be discussed for Saturday morning. Lets say he said, remember I have tennis plans Saturday morning and she said you need to remember I have painting plans. Somehow this painting topic IMO was discussed.

He was also aware of her painting because he was withholding her $$ for that week because of her painting as some affidavits stated.

This is only my theory, not something someone has said.

 

[SleuthyGal]

SG....BC has contradicted his own affidavit in some statements he has made. This one came to light with me with all the comparisons I have done between affidavits.

They have 2 small children and their plans had to be discussed for Saturday morning. Lets say he said, remember I have tennis plans Saturday morning and she said you need to remember I have painting plans. Somehow this painting topic IMO was discussed.

He was also aware of her painting because he was withholding her $$ for that week because of her painting as some affidavits stated.

This is only my theory, not something someone has said.

Ahhh okay, thank you for explaining that. I agree totally that they would, at some point, need to communicate about the kids and plans and basic movements. I think hearing...errrr...reading your theory just helped me crystallize in my head that the assumption I've been making (and I think still am making) is that perhaps they had not (yet) discussed Sat. plans, that their communication was very 'off' due to anger issues (i.e. 'hate mode'), they were talking as little as they had to to each other (maybe little snarls and barbs and just kid stuff), and before they got a chance to each discuss the next day's plans and coordination, the fight happened immediately upon her arrival home and she was dead before that convo ever took place.

That's still my theory...at least for the moment. :wink: But you do have me thinking, and that could be a dangerous thing!

 

[Star12]

Ahhh okay, thank you for explaining that. I agree totally that they would, at some point, need to communicate about the kids and plans and basic movements. I think hearing...errrr...reading your theory just helped me crystallize in my head that the assumption I've been making (and I think still am making) is that perhaps they had not (yet) discussed Sat. plans, that their communication was very 'off' due to anger issues (i.e. 'hate mode'), they were talking as little as they had to to each other (maybe little snarls and barbs and just kid stuff), and before they got a chance to each discuss the next day's plans and coordination, the fight happened immediately upon her arrival home and she was dead before that convo ever took place.

That's still my theory...at least for the moment. :wink: But you do have me thinking, and that could be a dangerous thing!

And if she had planned to take the girls with her, he could have played tennis without being inconvenienced. I think in "hate mode" you just work around the other party and discuss as little as possible, because discussing the most mundane things can turn into a raging fight.

 

[momto3kids]

Ahhh okay, thank you for explaining that. I agree totally that they would, at some point, need to communicate about the kids and plans and basic movements. I think hearing...errrr...reading your theory just helped me crystallize in my head that the assumption I've been making (and I think still am making) is that perhaps they had not (yet) discussed Sat. plans, that their communication was very 'off' due to anger issues (i.e. 'hate mode'), they were talking as little as they had to to each other (maybe little snarls and barbs and just kid stuff), and before they got a chance to each discuss the next day's plans and coordination, the fight happened immediately upon her arrival home and she was dead before that convo ever took place.

That's still my theory...at least for the moment. :wink: But you do have me thinking, and that could be a dangerous thing!

Now to confuse the issue a little more...let's take this a step further!

Affidavits....
JA #8…she called NC cell 9:25, later called the home. She doesn't state what time exact she called the home, just that BC answered. It could have been immediately or waited an hour to see if NC responded to her cell call.

BC#176…9:15 I called to postpone tennis plans, and at 9:30 to cancel tennis plans since Nancy wasn't back and he had the girls.

BC#178…10:00 to 10:30 HP calls and I tell her Nancy is not home yet..Probably getting COFFEE

BC #179….states between 10:45 and 11:00 JA called. I told her Nancy was running about an hour late, maybe getting COFFEE

He tells JA she is running about an hour late…did he expect her home @ 10:00?
Did BC ever state he called or stopped by JJ?
Why then did he have tennis plans and postpone them at 9:15 if he knew she was to be gone to approx 10am per his affidavit and what he told JA?
Where is this tennis partner he was to play tennis with?

He literally has his times so messed up and what he says he said none of it matches! At this point he has himself confused without even seeing what he had just stated in his own affidavit.

 

[The Saint]

every guy i've ever seen in a triathlon wears a speedo during the swim and run portions. but if scott were truly interested in aerodynamic speed, he would wax at least his chest and stomach hair.

it is his comments about nancy's murder that really bother me.