Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #25

[reddress58]

Anderson, who used the word bi-sexual? Not I. I said that there were possibilities other than what we know. I said I have pictures in my head of these possibilities, pictures from online photos that show plenty of drinking, partying, and so on. We all know what alcohol does to the brain/body. We don't know what they all did.

As to what justifies murder...nothing.

People murder and don't have a justification. People murder out of rage, jealousy, drunkenness, for money, mental illness, and the list continues.

I'll state my opinions, my guesses, and possibilities just like others do here. If someone is annoyed, bothered, or otherwise, okay. I'm bothered that Nancy was murdered. I'm bothered that Michelle Young was murdered. People have "insinuated" many things here on WS as to the possibilities. Shall we consider how all these possibilities can weave into the tangle of death and murder? Of course we shall and will and have.

However, if you DID get close to others, which you admit you don't, you may have a better understanding why those photos in no way mean there may be relationships other than close friendships.

 

[Anderson]

Anderson, who used the word bi-sexual? Not I. I said that there were possibilities other than what we know. I said I have pictures in my head of these possibilities, pictures from online photos that show plenty of drinking, partying, and so on. We all know what alcohol does to the brain/body. We don't know what they all did.

As to what justifies murder...nothing.

No, I don't believe that you did. It was implied in another post. But none of that matters anyway, except if it sheds light on the murder. Which it may, once we have more information.

As you say, nothing would justify a murder.

 

[SleuthyGal]

Speaking of getting close to others...this is O/T but I just tried to cuddle up to the 'queen' and she got up and walked away. harrumph! I thought I heard her mutter something about calling child protective services because she's not getting fed fillet mignon or some nonsense. woof indeed!

Now back to your regularly scheduled murder investigation discussion.

 

[momto3kids]

Hey Mom, I think we are assuming this 'setting up an alibi' is in reference to his HT trip(s) and the alleged call from Nancy to him. You're right though--MH does not specify time frames of said calls.

Nancy's cell phone was allegedly in the house during the time that Brad was driving around 'looking' for her. If that's true, that would include the time of his visit to LTF. Wonder if any calls were made from Nancy's phone after this (alleged) last call at 6:40am?

Right..but the word is calls. We don't know the exact time BC went to LFT. How do we know he didn't return to the house between LTF and the time LE came? He had over 2 hours unaccounted for. What if he had to grab something for the girls, say a diaper and leave the phone since his plan didn't work?

My source says he tried to set up an alibi with LTF. As I disclosed earlier...BC wanted NC card scanned. Privately I told some and will now tell the other members, he told the lady at the desk NC was in the car on the cell phone and running behind and he felt he could save her some time.

So he mentions cell phone and NC using it. What if the lady did scan the card? This is something I could not get confirmed from my source. Even if NC card wasn't scanned he could have her phone showing a call made.

I know this leads to many questions which I don't have the answer to, but CALLS makes me wonder if HT and LTF are 2 they are asking about.

 

[jumpstreet]

speaking of getting close to others...this is o/t but i just tried to cuddle up to the 'queen' and she got up and walked away. Harrumph! I thought i heard her mutter something about calling child protective services because she's not getting fed fillet mignon or some nonsense. Woof indeed!

Now back to your regularly scheduled murder investigation discussion.

 

[reddress58]

Right..but the word is calls. We don't know the exact time BC went to LFT. How do we know he didn't return to the house between LTF and the time LE came? He had over 2 hours unaccounted for. What if he had to grab something for the girls, say a diaper and leave the phone since his plan didn't work?

My source says he tried to set up an alibi with LTF. As I disclosed earlier...BC wanted NC card scanned. Privately I told some and will now tell the other members, he told the lady at the desk NC was in the car on the cell phone and running behind and he felt he could save her some time.

So he mentions cell phone and NC using it. What if the lady did scan the card? This is something I could not get confirmed from my source. Even if NC card wasn't scanned he could have her phone showing a call made.

I know this leads to many questions which I don't have the answer to, but CALLS makes me wonder if HT and LTF are 2 they are asking about.

Wow, Mom. That is huge! If LE interviewed the reception person and he/she told the info about NC being in the car, that could be a tipping point at trial!! Good going!

 

[jumpstreet]

My source says he tried to set up an alibi with LTF. As I disclosed earlier...BC wanted NC card scanned. Privately I told some and will now tell the other members, he told the lady at the desk NC was in the car on the cell phone and running behind and he felt he could save her some time.

Your source needs to go ahead and post an affidavit on the web MT3, like everyone else, so we can find out exactly what they have told LE and when.

 

[SleuthyGal]

Right..but the word is calls. We don't know the exact time BC went to LFT. How do we know he didn't return to the house between LTF and the time LE came?

excellent point! we don't know his exact movements at all!

He had over 2 hours unaccounted for. What if he had to grab something for the girls, say a diaper and leave the phone since his plan didn't work?

Now that would be very interesting wouldn't it? Again, I am curious if there were any calls made from NC's phone after 6:40am that morning.

My source says he tried to set up an alibi with LTF. As I disclosed earlier...BC wanted NC card scanned. Privately I told some and will now tell the other members, he told the lady at the desk NC was in the car on the cell phone and running behind and he felt he could save her some time.

This is huge if he did this. I sure hope LE is investigating this--we haven't heard anything about LTF outside of the things you have been told by your contact.

So he mentions cell phone and NC using it. What if the lady did scan the card? This is something I could not get confirmed from my source. Even if NC card wasn't scanned he could have her phone showing a call made.

Yep! This needs to be determined.

I know this leads to many questions which I don't have the answer to, but CALLS makes me wonder if HT and LTF are 2 they are asking about.

Makes me wonder too. There is so much we are not privy to (and won't be).

 

[Anderson]

Right..but the word is calls. We don't know the exact time BC went to LFT. How do we know he didn't return to the house between LTF and the time LE came? He had over 2 hours unaccounted for. What if he had to grab something for the girls, say a diaper and leave the phone since his plan didn't work?

My source says he tried to set up an alibi with LTF. As I disclosed earlier...BC wanted NC card scanned. Privately I told some and will now tell the other members, he told the lady at the desk NC was in the car on the cell phone and running behind and he felt he could save her some time.

So he mentions cell phone and NC using it. What if the lady did scan the card? This is something I could not get confirmed from my source. Even if NC card wasn't scanned he could have her phone showing a call made.

I know this leads to many questions which I don't have the answer to, but CALLS makes me wonder if HT and LTF are 2 they are asking about.

WOw, indeed. And we know that NC's cell phone was in the house at that time, don't we? I believe that was part of the rationalization for the SW. I repeat: WOW.:clap:

I imagine LE knows this information. How could he have covered his tracks here?

 

[SleuthyGal]

I imagine LE knows this information. How could he have covered his tracks here?

Unless the employee at LTF told the detectives (and assuming the detectives went to LTF to verify Brad's visit that Saturday), they might not know about him trying to get Nancy's card scanned. I'm hoping they do as it needs to be thoroughly investigated.

 

[Anderson]

Right..but the word is calls. We don't know the exact time BC went to LFT. How do we know he didn't return to the house between LTF and the time LE came? He had over 2 hours unaccounted for. What if he had to grab something for the girls, say a diaper and leave the phone since his plan didn't work?

I see, you already answered my question. I'm reading too fast.

 

[raisincharlie]

Hey Mom, I think we are assuming this 'setting up an alibi' is in reference to his HT trip(s) and the alleged call from Nancy to him. You're right though--MH does not specify time frames of said calls.

Nancy's cell phone was allegedly in the house during the time that Brad was driving around 'looking' for her. If that's true, that would include the time of his visit to LTF. Wonder if any calls were made from Nancy's phone after this (alleged) last call at 6:40am?

I'm not sure we can actually conclude Nancy's cell was in the house while Brad was driving around. What we can conclude is that LE saw it at the house, based on the sw probable cause affidavit, but that does not preclude the possibility Brad had it with him and brought it into the house when he returned to find LE and half the neighborhood at his house that afternoon.

In light of MH's recent revelations, the possibility remains that the phone could have been used after 6:40 am. LE seems to be hammering him hard about the phone, can only think of a couple of reasons for that - he was not at home at 6:40 am and no one but him can say where he was, or there were other calls on the cell after 7am when Brad said she left the house and offered that she only ran with a stick of gum. However, if Brad tried to get someone to use that phone and someone did after 7 am - then Brad has indeed implicated himself directly by saying Nancy only ran with a stick of gum. Three interviews for Mr. Hiller - something is up with that.

 

[momto3kids]

Your source needs to go ahead and post an affidavit on the web MT3, like everyone else, so we can find out exactly what they have told LE and when.

JS..I have actually passed this info on to someone reliable just recently that can get word to the LE. I am following up with this person this week to see if they did it or not. I guess I felt the LE had already checked it out so put it on the back burner so to say since I heard about it.

This is why I am saying with the word 'calls' it could include LTF also.

 

[reddress58]

I'm not sure we can actually conclude Nancy's cell was in the house while Brad was driving around. What we can conclude is that LE saw it at the house, based on the sw probable cause affidavit, but that does not preclude the possibility Brad had it with him and brought it into the house when he returned to find LE and half the neighborhood at his house that afternoon.

In light of MH's recent revelations, the possibility remains that the phone could have been used after 6:40 am. LE seems to be hammering him hard about the phone, can only think of a couple of reasons for that - he was not at home at 6:40 am and no one but him can say where he was, or there were other calls on the cell after 7am when Brad said she left the house and offered that she only ran with a stick of gum. However, if Brad tried to get someone to use that phone and someone did after 7 am - then Brad has indeed implicated himself directly by saying Nancy only ran with a stick of gum. Three interviews for Mr. Hiller - something is up with that.

It's all in the details. An innocent person doesn't need to worry.

 

[Anderson]

Unless the employee at LTF told the detectives (and assuming the detectives went to LTF to verify Brad's visit that Saturday), they might not know about him trying to get Nancy's card scanned. I'm hoping they do as it needs to be thoroughly investigated.

Yes, and I am assuming that the investigators have covered this. Would that be enough to arrest him, though (in the movies it would be)? I would think that at this point they must know exactly where he was for those two hours.

 

[SleuthyGal]

I'm not sure we can actually conclude Nancy's cell was in the house while Brad was driving around.

Yes that's just what Mto3K just said. And you're right--we don't know where that phone was before LE spotted it.

 

[SleuthyGal]

Would that be enough to arrest him, though (in the movies it would be)? I would think that at this point they must know exactly where he was for those two hours.

If true, I'm not sure it would be 'enough' to get the go-ahead to make an arrest yet. Remember we're dealing with a particularly persnickety and painstaking DA in our county. Which is a good thing I guess (repeats 3 times to self).

 

[raisincharlie]

It's all in the details. An innocent person doesn't need to worry.

I agree. But I'm still wondering why LE is basically trying to get this Hiller fellow to even talk about Nancy's cell phone - not once but three times with weeks in between the interviews. Something is hinky with this issue.

 

[SleuthyGal]

Three interviews for Mr. Hiller - something is up with that.

Clearly something is amiss in the minds of LE. Whether it's specific to Mr. Hiller's actions or they think he has info they need, remains to be seen.

 

[Anderson]

I'm not sure we can actually conclude Nancy's cell was in the house while Brad was driving around. What we can conclude is that LE saw it at the house, based on the sw probable cause affidavit, but that does not preclude the possibility Brad had it with him and brought it into the house when he returned to find LE and half the neighborhood at his house that afternoon.

But didn't LE go directly into the house when he arrived back at the house?? I am sure that is what the probable cause affidavit said, although I could have remembered this wrong.

Now, if he did return to the house during those two hours, then it is possible that it was placed back at the house at that point. I don't think that he mentions a return trip to the house in his affidavit. He made it sound as though he was out looking for NC the whole time . . . .