Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #8

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  • #321
I would suspect that based on the information in the custody filing, since it was mentioned that he could be a flight risk, that LE most likely confiscated his passport and have advised his lawyer and him as well that he is not to leave the US. I doubt his lawyer would ever admit that publically, at least not now. I also suspect LE is keeping tabs on him.

I was wondering why the cops allowed Jason Young to travel out of the country on the 1 year anniversary of killing his wife last November.
I then realized travel to Puerto Rico is one of the very few off shore destinations that does not require a passport.
 
  • #322
I was wondering why the cops allowed Jason Young to travel out of the country on the 1 year anniversary of killing his wife last November.
I then realized travel to Puerto Rico is one of the very few off shore destinations that does not require a passport.

Jason Young is in desperate need of a one way ticket to a jail in Raleigh. :)

Use to be we could travel to Canada without a passport, no longer with all the security rules. However, it seems to be easy enough to cross borders and get away with it easily. Thus I do suspect LE is watching.
 
  • #323
Since everything is sealed, it is possible they took custody of the BMW sedan and we just don't know about it.

I have been on the Tara Grinstead case for almost three years and GBI has her vehicle. They didn't impound it right away but from the time they did to now they still have it. No arrests and no body but they have her car.

LE has reasons to keep it but we may not know until trial. I imagine that evidence is helpful but more incriminating facts are needed. I just don't know.

I keep thinking that Jason Young should have been arrested eons ago but wasn't. There is some tick that keeps the prosecutors from going full steam ahead.
 
  • #324
I don't think this case will linger like Tara or Michelle's. I think they have plenty to charge him now, but are waiting until they have the forensics completed. Having their ducks in a row is important.

The other cases I haven't gotten into, but I am sure they are lacking the key piece of evidence they need or there would be charges. The key piece of evidence in this case could easily be the store trip if they find the bottle at his house, evidence of a clean up of DNA, and evidence of a fight/struggle. Other things such as DNA under her fingernails, on her clothing, or on his clothing will come into play, too.
 
  • #325
The key piece of evidence in this case could easily be the store trip if they find the bottle at his house, evidence of a clean up of DNA, and evidence of a fight/struggle. Other things such as DNA under her fingernails, on her clothing, or on his clothing will come into play, too.

In other words: IF they have any evidence...
 
  • #326
I don't doubt they have evidence, Magister.
 
  • #327
Just FYI,...............I don't know if bleach destroys dna. That seems to be the assumption of why someone would use bleach for cleaning up a crime scene. From the Peterson case, we learned that bleach confuses the testing for blood traces with luminol.

Luminol, when applied to blood, gives off a glow. If there was a clean up with bleach, the luminol would have the same effect.

These guys, they have one semester of chemistry, watch CSI, and think they can fool a person specializing in forensics. Face it, the forensic chemist can't step into Brad's job in IT, how the he!! does he think he's going to fool the guy at his own specialized field? Simply a dumb move. {shakes head that someone can be so smart yet NOT smart at all}.:waitasec:


JMHO
fran

http://chemistry.about.com/od/glowinthedarkprojects/a/luminolblood.htm
 
  • #328
If we can believe the Doctor on Nancy Grace the other night, Bleach cannot destroy DNA. Burning is the only thing that can completely destroy it.

You are right tho. It does show up with luminol to reveal an effort to "clean up" an area. If there are places which you would not normally use a bleach product to clean...it gives them a great place to begin looking for trace amounts that a person missed. Cleaning an area to where it is no longer visible to the eye does nothing to insure there is not microscopic blood spatter left.
 
  • #329
I don't think this case will linger like Tara or Michelle's. I think they have plenty to charge him now, but are waiting until they have the forensics completed. Having their ducks in a row is important.

The other cases I haven't gotten into, but I am sure they are lacking the key piece of evidence they need or there would be charges. The key piece of evidence in this case could easily be the store trip if they find the bottle at his house, evidence of a clean up of DNA, and evidence of a fight/struggle. Other things such as DNA under her fingernails, on her clothing, or on his clothing will come into play, too.

With all due respect you have convicted him since day one. I for one believe in innocent until proven guilty. That said many of these cases usually end up being the Husband. However, in this case posters on this board have said things that have never been printed and many of the posters took it as true. Two things come to mind...the supposed video of him buying bleach at 4 am and the scratches on his arm. No where in any article or video of this case has anyone stated these two facts. If this were in fact true and they have video of him buying bleach at that time and he has scratches on his arm there is no way he would not all ready be named a suspect or even arrested for that matter.

I live in Holly Springs about 3 miles from where she was found. I work directly with Cisco. I have multiple friends who work for Cisco as well. I can tell you why no one has said anything from Cisco and that they were ordered not to speak to anyone regarding him. That is company wide. I couldn't even get a lose friend to say anything to me. I wanted to also comment on many of you claiming because he has a few web site profiles that he is self absorbed and cares nothing about his family. That may very well be true about Brad Cooper but him having web site profiles hardly defines that. He has a CCIE which is a huge accomplishment in my field and does take commitment and hard work to obtain. So yes I can see him not having much time while trying to obtain that but to say he doesn't care about his family is just biased prejudgment. I read where he wrote now that he was finished his he can spend time with his family. Which to me indicates he did want to spend more time with them.

Look I know as well as everyone most of these cases end up being the husband but you can not cloud facts and reality because they usually are the husband. I hope for the girls sake that he didn't do it. For those of you when the subject came up if there were other murders recently who quickly said no this is for you:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3244921/

But a number of high-profile cases in recent months have grabbed people's attention:

* Marine Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach was beaten to death in December, and her burned remains were found in a shallow grave in a fellow Marine's backyard near Camp Lejeune.

* The body of Latrese Curtis, a student at North Carolina Central University, was found along Interstate 540 in January. She had been stabbed repeatedly.

* Eve Carson, the student body president at the University of North Carolina, was fatally shot in March on a Chapel Hill street.

* Army Spc. Megan Touma's body was found in a Fayetteville motel room last month. The cause of death hasn't been determined.

* The charred remains of Army 2nd Lt. Holley Wimunc were found in a shallow grave in Onslow County last week. The cause of death hasn't been released.

* The body of Nancy Cooper was found in an undeveloped Cary subdivision last week, two days after she was reported missing. The cause of death hasn't been determined.

Thats 6 women recently in this area. Again I play devils Advocate here because they way some talk... petrifies me that anyone could get a fair trail from a jury. I just want to know the heaven forbid something happen where I was accused of something I did not do... someone would wait for all the fact before hanging me.
 
  • #330
* Marine Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach was beaten to death in December, and her burned remains were found in a shallow grave in a fellow Marine's backyard near Camp Lejeune. Boyfriend and father of her baby is the killer

* The body of Latrese Curtis, a student at North Carolina Central University, was found along Interstate 540 in January. She had been stabbed repeatedly. The killer knew the victim

* Eve Carson, the student body president at the University of North Carolina, was fatally shot in March on a Chapel Hill street. Random street 🤬🤬🤬🤬 viloence with robbery motive

* Army Spc. Megan Touma's body was found in a Fayetteville motel room last month. The cause of death hasn't been determined.Boyfriend and father of baby is the person of interest

* The charred remains of Army 2nd Lt. Holley Wimunc were found in a shallow grave in Onslow County last week. The cause of death hasn't been released. Estranged husband of the victim was charged

* The body of Nancy Cooper was found in an undeveloped Cary subdivision last week, two days after she was reported missing. The cause of death hasn't been determined. Estranged husband of the victim is the obvious 'unnamed' suspect

Aside from the Eve Carson abduction by gang members looking for cash, all of these murdered ladies knew their killers intimately.
 
  • #331
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I live in Holly Springs about 3 miles from where she was found. I work directly with Cisco. I have multiple friends who work for Cisco as well. I can tell you why no one has said anything from Cisco and that they were ordered not to speak to anyone regarding him. That is company wide. I couldn't even get a lose friend to say anything to me. I wanted to also comment on many of you claiming because he has a few web site profiles that he is self absorbed and cares nothing about his family. That may very well be true about Brad Cooper but him having web site profiles hardly defines that. He has a CCIE which is a huge accomplishment in my field and does take commitment and hard work to obtain. So yes I can see him not having much time while trying to obtain that but to say he doesn't care about his family is just biased prejudgment. I read where he wrote now that he was finished his he can spend time with his family. Which to me indicates he did want to spend more time with them.

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So what is your theory on why a company would impose a rule defying a constitutional right to it's employees ? Does this supposed rule include not speaking to LE ?

As to the issue of caring or not caring about his family, why would the Grandparent's lawyer allow such an inflamatory statement about Nancy borrowing money from her family to buy necessities and food for the children in a legal filing knowing full well that dishonesty in such a filing could be punishable ? FWIW a copy of this filing was made public and I must admit it makes me wonder about his ability to have had legitimate compassion for his family. The same briefing also indicates that Brad was having and affair, again it is just a filing but there has to be a reason to include this statement. Does that demonstrate a fellow who is satisfied with his family ? Not in my book, it says quite the opposite IMO.
 
  • #332
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1149643.html

The News & Observer is considering options for intervening in the seal


Sealing such records is a rare step that's becoming more common. "In high-profile cases, this is an emerging strategy,"


Such cases of making secret public court documents is alarming, said Hugh Stevens, a Raleigh first-amendment attorney who does work for The News & Observer. "If you do it behind closed doors and don't say why, you cast some suspicion over the process
 
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  • #334
I wanted to also comment on many of you claiming because he has a few web site profiles that he is self absorbed and cares nothing about his family. That may very well be true about Brad Cooper but him having web site profiles hardly defines that.

All of the "meaning" assigned to him having a couple of blogsites has almost frightened me from admitting how many I maintain, let alone how many commenter profiles, I have in existence.

I commented as an aside to another techie poster, the other day that some of the speculation surrounding this case probably doesn't bode well for the future of social networking.
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Oh, and on another note, but along the same theme: While it may be true that Brad trains for ironman competitions, an individual sport, Nancy was reportedly preparing for a half-marathon. We really don't know how many of these she has run or if she occasioanlly runs any full marathons, but it's also an individual sport and I'm sure she was proud of her accomplishments.


ETA: As I was posting this comment, Fran was posting in the "runner" subforum, an article which says Nancy had hoped to run in the Olympics, but a bad knee quashed that dream and since, she competed on the marathon circuit.
 
  • #335
You bring up some good points and as the investigation continues I'd think if there are other people who need to be considered they will be brought up. Right now, however, that doesn't seem to be happening...

I totally understand the do not talk issue and feel it's fairly common in workplaces when any major crime is an issue. I know it's not something that's made me think less of BC or made me more inclined to think he's guilty. As in I see that as a given (that people aren't talking) and feel it's crucial to maintaining a stable work environment: nothing more, nothing less.

Thankfully the majority of the murders you note have already resulted in arrests, so I'm not sure how they can be tied to what happened to NC?? But I'm sure if LE finds anything that connects her case to any unsolved cases, they won't let it slide. They appear to be handling this case with professionalism and avoiding sensationalism. That's a plus and seems to be in BC's favor. I don't want to see anyone get shoved under the bus, and for the sake of the children, I too hope Brad did not do this. But right now things seem to be pointing in his direction. It absolutely doesn't mean he's guilty - and as the CPD stated things need to be ruled out as well as in. So time will tell and hopefully sooner rather than later. I'm thinking the ME's report and the results of forensic testing (DNA and such) might answer a lot of questions.

I do respect your POV and would be interested in reading more of your thoughts on this...
 
  • #336
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1149643.html

The News & Observer is considering options for intervening in the seal


Sealing such records is a rare step that's becoming more common. "In high-profile cases, this is an emerging strategy,"


Such cases of making secret public court documents is alarming, said Hugh Stevens, a Raleigh first-amendment attorney who does work for The News & Observer. "If you do it behind closed doors and don't say why, you cast some suspicion over the process

The search warrant wasn't sealed before it was served, so didn't the targets get a copy and it's really just being hidden from public consumption, not from any potential defendents?
 
  • #337
So what is your theory on why a company would impose a rule defying a constitutional right to it's employees ? Does this supposed rule include not speaking to LE ?

As to the issue of caring or not caring about his family, why would the Grandparent's lawyer allow such an inflamatory statement about Nancy borrowing money from her family to buy necessities and food for the children in a legal filing knowing full well that dishonesty in such a filing could be punishable ? FWIW a copy of this filing was made public and I must admit it makes me wonder about his ability to have had legitimate compassion for his family. The same briefing also indicates that Brad was having and affair, again it is just a filing but there has to be a reason to include this statement. Does that demonstrate a fellow who is satisfied with his family ? Not in my book, it says quite the opposite IMO.

Again thats another part of the so called facts that people just believed because some poster on here put a shady web site where they say they spoke to friends who claimed this...that being he had an affair. No name was given of whom they spoke with who made this claim. The officials have not released any information on evidence they have. Everything being said is pure speculation and hearsay. I am just trying to wait till I hear official facts before convicting the guy. Truth is they have released none. Honestly if some of the things people have claimed on here to be factual there would be no reason not to arrest him.

I think its funny that people on here say theres no way he has time for his family because of the time spent for work and school and running... yet on the flip side its so easy to believe he had time to have an affair. Again I am not saying he didn't do it... just saying we have been told nothing. The fact that they haven't arrested him convinces me many of the claims on here are not true.
 
  • #338
The search warrant wasn't sealed before it was served, so didn't the targets get a copy and it's really just being hidden from public consumption, not from any potential defendents?

Yes, Brad and his attorney have a copy of the warrants.
 
  • #339
Again thats another part of the so called facts that people just believed because some poster on here put a shady web site where they say they spoke to friends who claimed this...that being he had an affair. No name was given of whom they spoke with who made this claim. The officials have not released any information on evidence they have. Everything being said is pure speculation and hearsay. I am just trying to wait till I hear official facts before convicting the guy. Truth is they have released none. Honestly if some of the things people have claimed on here to be factual there would be no reason not to arrest him.
</p> </p>(Fran bringing the doc you posted here for informational purposes)

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local...7103017508.pdf

Media link to Ex Parte Emergency Custody Order Document
 
  • #340
Again thats another part of the so called facts that people just believed because some poster on here put a shady web site where they say they spoke to friends who claimed this...that being he had an affair. No name was given of whom they spoke with who made this claim. The officials have not released any information on evidence they have. Everything being said is pure speculation and hearsay. I am just trying to wait till I hear official facts before convicting the guy. Truth is they have released none. Honestly if some of the things people have claimed on here to be factual there would be no reason not to arrest him.

I think its funny that people on here say theres no way he has time for his family because of the time spent for work and school and running... yet on the flip side its so easy to believe he had time to have an affair. Again I am not saying he didn't do it... just saying we have been told nothing. The fact that they haven't arrested him convinces me many of the claims on here are not true.

So you are saying that a court document which a District Court Judge signed off with the statement that the Rentz's have met their burden of proof and therefore should have custody of the children is nothing but speculation and herarsay ? You are aware the Judge also took testimony from LE when considering this matter correct? Are you saying LE misled the Judge as well as the Grandparents ? Interesting.
 
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