Nancy Grace 1-9-09

[reeseeva]

I waited & waited with baited breath, but not once did I hear her ask anyone "What evidence do they have that this was "Intentional" The timeline was discussed, the manner of death explored. Jessica D. mentioned that she acted alone & that it was not an accidental death, that Caylee was killed on purpose. I waited for NG to ask "What points to a deliberate act of Murder, beyond a reasonable doubt?"

 

[Leila]

I agree,,,,,The entire story about the 24th is Bizzare.

I even have an issue with GA filing a Police Report in the first place.

He knew that KC stole Gas cans in the past & most likely it was Casey that stole the cans this time so why didn't he mention that in the Police Report?

Why even file a report at all..???

Why not Call KC & say...

"Give me back my Damn Gas Cans....I know that it was you that took them"

I've always wondered about this. At that point George and Cindy hadn't seen Caylee for more than a week and probably thought Casey was just keeping them from seeing her. Cindy had consulted a psychologist who suggested she try to get custody of Caylee. To do that, they'd have to prove that Casey was an unfit mother. Maybe they filed a police report, knowing it was Casey, but wanted to get enough documentation to show she was unfit.

 

[Where's Andre]

There sounds like the is going to be a ton of Forensic evidence presented at trial ....

Entomologist, Botanist, Finger Print Experts, Hair & Fiber Experts, Body Farm Scent Evidence, DNA....

Probably Chemist too explaining the Chloroform in the trunk

Plus cell phone and computer forensics. Toxicology maybe from hair evidence. Geologists/Anthopologists/Meterologists/Hydrologists and more.

This assumes that there's going to be a trial. My thought is that this "leak" and the "leak" that the other Anthony family members won't be charged, adds up to putting DP back on table to exchange for a plea agreement to LWOP. Or some form of immunity for the other Anthony familiy members in exchange for testimony for a LWOP trial, with DP off the table.

 

[nomoresorrow]

Men who say things like that are just twisted. The human race is 50/50 men and women, and most "real" men love their daughters completely. When they are born they are all the same - helpless babies, and you just love them. It makes me sick that any mother would have to feel badly over having a beautiful daughter like Caylee. :furious::razz:

He's only a kid for God's sake! Personally I think that it reveals a alot about his maturity level, not him being a "twisted" man. He clearly wasn't ready emotionally to have children and if anything he was making that very clear to KC. Her staying after him making that comment sent the message to him that she wasn't interested in anything more then a "friend's with benefits" type of relationship. Sadly what AL didn't know & couldn't possibly have known was that she would stay AND she would make any adjustments (or eliminations) required. (JMHO)

 

[LeLe1953]

There has been some speculation that Baez (with Casey's appointment) has the right to determine at this time what to do with Caylee's remains. Baez even mentioned in court yesterday about taking responsibility for Caylee (or something to this effect).

If I was Cindy or George, and if I wanted to have Caylee buried RIGHT NOW and was being held up by the defense "possibly" needing further examination and testing (la la la), I would threaten Casey that she'll never speak to me/us again, or get another cent from me/us in the commissary account until she released the body for burial immediately.

Do you all think CA and GA AGREE with the hold up? WTH?

Don't send her another red cent until that baby is buried! Enough is enough.

Good thought but since so many others are sending in bucks for her, that threat won't work. I would tell the spiteful biotch that I would sing like a big fat canary if she didnt let me bury that child.

 

[seagull65]

it does seem unlikely that KC would want to use chloroform to dope Caylee for sleep, since so many other drugs are more readily available, plus they wouldn't cause the vomiting and would be so much easier to use and everything. Is chloroform one of those inhalants that can also mark/burn the skin of the face when applied?

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

But then again, TL may have just been saying this to KC as a way of letting her know he didn't want a serious relationship, and KC was too stupid to see it.

Oh snap! That could be true too!

 

[Where's Andre]

I waited & waited with baited breath, but not once did I hear her ask anyone "What evidence do they have that this was "Intentional" The timeline was discussed, the manner of death explored. Jessica D. mentioned that she acted alone & that it was not an accidental death, that Caylee was killed on purpose. I waited for NG to ask "What points to a deliberate act of Murder, beyond a reasonable doubt?"

Three words... Aggravated child abuse.

 

[nomoresorrow]

I waited & waited with baited breath, but not once did I hear her ask anyone "What evidence do they have that this was "Intentional" The timeline was discussed, the manner of death explored. Jessica D. mentioned that she acted alone & that it was not an accidental death, that Caylee was killed on purpose. I waited for NG to ask "What points to a deliberate act of Murder, beyond a reasonable doubt?"

IMO media stories today on this are the preumptive strike. Tomorrow, bet ya, the rest of the story...........

 

[nomoresorrow]

Generally I've seen a pattern of throughout this case. The media reports a breaking story, usually giving an "inside source" and within a day or two the rest of the story comes out either by way of doc dump(s), OCSO presser, etc,...

 

[karen7868]

Who would survive that Florida heat in the trunk of a car for more than a few minutes? Even if the windows were partially opened. That's why that theory is weak IMO.

Exactly!!! ITA!

 

[panthera]

Jessica D'Onofrio used the words "overwhelming" and "strong" to describe the evidence they have to prove intentional murder. We also know that LE is holding back much of the evidence from the public. As a poster suggested another thread, my guess is that there are body fluids on that duct tape proving that Caylee was alive when it was placed there. Her saliva or whatever else could be on it. Just the thought of it makes me want to cry.

I do believe now the duct tape holds a lot of forensic evidence. Maybe Casey's and only Casey's fingerprints, and like you said, something to indicate Caylee was alive when it was placed on her mouth. MOO

 

[Theonly1]

George and Cindy haven't visited Casey because they don't want to create a media circus. They didn't attend the hearing yesterday because they didn't think she'd be there.

Yeah, right. I watched the hearing motion on streaming video. I'm assuming one or all of the A's watched it on television like a good portion of Americans. If they did not watch it then I'd be stunned.

The Judge said he wanted Casey in the courtroom and the response was she'd be there within 30-45 minutes. She was there about 45 minutes later.

Point blank - the A's could have left their home at Hopespring once the Judge said "go get her" and driven to the courthouse downtown in that time period, if they so desired. Easy as pie with whipped cream on top.

The "media circus" was already at the big top. They could have seen their "sweetheart" and not had the pressure of having to talk to her (they are not supposed to talk to defendant at these things) or have their non-talk recorded. If they cared to just lay eyes on her it would have been their PERFECT opportunity. Unless they were out of town or something and unable to make it there, I can only surmise as to why they did not show up.

My opinion only.

 

[essies]

The south pole?
I'm kinda upset that they said no arrest or anything for the family. I just can't believe there is no accountability for misleading LE. I know if LE asked me for the hairbrush for a missing child and I gave them a hair brush and then a few months later an email comes out where I admit I gave LE the wrong hair brush on purpose and then say I should have given them(LE) the dogs toothbrush(when LE requested Caylee's toothbrush), I know I would be in jail. Why has this family been afforded so many passes? Why? Everyone states the A's think they are above the law, well apparantly they are.

ITA! However I'm sure that LE has weighed all the options, as they have all the facts that we don't, and they must have come to the conclusion that they must make sure that the murderer is convicted and not given a chance to walk because of a slight doubt on any jurors mind. I'm sure LE hates this too. My understanding is if they don't extend immunity they (the A's) could take the fifth.
Just because LE may not charge the A's with anything doesn't mean that they in any way feel that the A's shouldn't be charged-LE and the SA must simply be realistic and make sure the murderer is convicted!!!:twocents:

 

[suspicious mind]

it does seem unlikely that KC would want to use chloroform to dope Caylee for sleep, since so many other drugs are more readily available, plus they wouldn't cause the vomiting and would be so much easier to use and everything. Is chloroform one of those inhalants that can also mark/burn the skin of the face when applied?

yes, I read it does burn skin. I don't think she could have used it on a regular basis without somebody noticing marks on her. Also, the chloroform would have to be readministered throughout the night. If you tried to use enough to last all night, you would die. I think if she used it, it was a one time thing. I would guess the duct tape was used to keep fluids from coming out of Caylee's mouth. Or, if kc were not certain she was really dead and feared her making noises if she came to, the duct tape would have kept her quiet. (Although she would have had to tie her hands to keep her from being able to remove the tape)

 

[Hisimage]

on the subj of chloroform and duct tape, I guess there wouldn't be any need to tape someone's mouth if they've been chloroformed to death, and it wouldn't make much sense to tape someone's mouth before chloroforming them, either....I never really thought about it, but unless a chloroform soaked rag was taped inside the mouth, the chloroform theory really doesn't fit in with the duct tape very well

That was my thought. Chlorformed rag taped to the mouth. :furious:

 

[panthera]

But then again, TL may have just been saying this to KC as a way of letting her know he didn't want a serious relationship, and KC was too stupid to see it.

I agree ~ and don't hold it against him for making those comments. He might have been trying to tell her he wasn't that interested in her, never knowing what she was capable of. MOO

 

[Jolynna]

Randy says that people donating money shows people feel sorry for KC.

It is hard for some to believe a "mom" would kill her child.

But killing their own children and shoplifting are the only two crimes women do as frequently as men.

http://www.slate.com/id/2063086/

 

[panthera]

That was my thought. Chlorformed rag taped to the mouth. :furious:

So then what happened to the rag since it was only mentioned that duct tape was around her head ~ or is LE omitting this part? :waitasec:

 

[impatientredhead]

Generally I've seen a pattern of throughout this case. The media reports a breaking story, usually giving an "inside source" and within a day or two the rest of the story comes out either by way of doc dump(s), OCSO presser, etc,...

Yep, hopefully Monday we will see the death penalty refiled followed by a document dump.