Nancy Grace 1-9-09

[seagull65]

I dont know much about forensic botany, but it woud seem to me the plant life in florida is so abundant it would be difficult to prove any plant residue found on the car came from the crime scene.

especially since she drove in that neighborhood and the surrounding areas all the time anyway.

Likewise with phone pings, it may show she was at her parents' house that day or driving down the neighborhood that day, but that was a normal occurrence. It obviously doesn't exclude a different perpetrator disposing of the body there.

I was very surprised that it was reported the plant growth would pinpoint the date of the body being placed there to June 18 (a particular day!) and that somehow this means only KCA could have done it (?). I would expect the plant life could narrow it down to a range of a few weeks. And how does it pinpoint it to KC? Anyone else could have dumped the body there during the time frame. And still doesn't answer the question of how did the LE repeatedly not find the body there despite tips, and how did the cadaver dogs supposedly "clear" the area. So those questions remain.

With the plants, I would never think they could pinpoint to an exact day, after all wouldn't a plant that's standing in one spot possibly grow more or less than a plant right next to it that has that bit more or less sunlight where it's standing?

Nothing reported tonight made it clear how it could be pinpointed to premeditated murder by KC and acting alone, so if it's true, they must have other evidence that will come out at trial. (But duct tape from the A home wouldn't pinpoint it to KC only or acting alone..... so I can't imagine what the evidence is. Must be a bombshell. MOO

 

[panthera]

Cant it be as simple as : she put the duct tape over her mouth so she couldnt scream and put her hands around her neck and choked her or pushed on that spot in the neck tht would kill her- maybe she didnt even use the chlorform to kill her? Choking wouldnt show up in the bones, only the soft tissue and there was no tissue left to see if she choke her-

After reading your post, I'm just curious how long it would take in the Florida climate for the tissue to completely be decomposed ~ 31 days maybe? More or less? MOO

 

[Jolynna]

Guest: KC thinks she's in a reality show (due to her narcissism), Total disconnection to the horror.

If you can't disconnect from what you are doing you couldn't deliberately kill and act normal around family and friends.

Sociopaths like Ted Bundy, the BTK killer and Casey compartmentalize one part of their lives from the rest and pass in society.

That is how Casey could be on the phone with Jesse G. at 2:52 p.m. (possibly with Caylee making noise in the background), and STILL ping at Tony's apartment and be unpacking her clothes there at around 4:30 p.m. with Caylee dead in her trunk.

She could smooch in blockbusters because Caylee's body was no more than an annoyance like her mother and grandmother that dared to her about stealing her grandfather's nursing home money.

Other people ONLY interest Casey while they are of use.

IMO

 

[suspicious mind]

especially since she drove in that neighborhood and the surrounding areas all the time anyway.

Likewise with phone pings, it may show she was at her parents' house that day or driving down the neighborhood that day, but that was a normal occurrence. It obviously doesn't exclude a different perpetrator disposing of the body there.

I was very surprised that it was reported the plant growth would pinpoint the date of the body being placed there to June 18 (a particular day!) and that somehow this means only KCA could have done it (?). I would expect the plant life could narrow it down to a range of a few weeks. And how does it pinpoint it to KC? Anyone else could have dumped the body there during the time frame. And still doesn't answer the question of how did the LE repeatedly not find the body there despite tips, and how did the cadaver dogs supposedly "clear" the area. So those questions remain.

With the plants, I would never think they could pinpoint to an exact day, after all wouldn't a plant that's standing in one spot possibly grow more or less than a plant right next to it that has that bit more or less sunlight where it's standing?

Nothing reported tonight made it clear how it could be pinpointed to premeditated murder by KC and acting alone, so if it's true, they must have other evidence that will come out at trial. (But duct tape from the A home wouldn't pinpoint it to KC only or acting alone..... so I can't imagine what the evidence is. Must be a bombshell. MOO

I take it you strongly believe kc could not, would not, and did not do this crime. Curious, do you have any theories on who did and do you have any evidence that would support your theory?

 

[nomoresorrow]

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You got that right!:woohoo: Men really don't think about having kids unless they are head over heals in love or at least past the age of 25 or 30.

As a Mom of two grown sons, my oldest is 28, married two years. Him and his wife have no kiddos yet and they don't want any until they feel that it's the best time - not just for them, but for a child. They both have their bachlor's and really good careers, own a home and are very active in children's community programs. Kids adore them and people are forever asking them whe they are going to have kids of their own. My younger son is 24 and lives with his gf. She just graduated last year from college and he's in his last year toward his bachlor's - same deal, they love kid's and everybody's kid's love them but their not ready to have their own. I'm not one of those mother's that puts pressure on my kids to have kids. I would hate for them to have children before their 100% ready. JMHO

 

[nomoresorrow]

i can't spell tonight!

 

[seagull65]

Jessica D'Onofrio used the words "overwhelming" and "strong" to describe the evidence they have to prove intentional murder. We also know that LE is holding back much of the evidence from the public. As a poster suggested another thread, my guess is that there are body fluids on that duct tape proving that Caylee was alive when it was placed there. Her saliva or whatever else could be on it. Just the thought of it makes me want to cry.

I don't know if saliva would prove it was put on while alive, seems like vomit might, maybe not.
But obviously there isn't any reason to place tape on the face after death. The tape definitely means to me that this was a violent attack and murder on Caylee, it doesn't pinpoint it to KC though, it could have been any perpetrator. If it's duct tape from the A household, could be anyone who had access to that house. To me, the fact that there was duct tape on the mouth tends to point away from KC because if KC were the perp, I don't think she would ever leave the duct tape on the body, she would remove it to make it look more like an accident. I also don't think she would dump the body right there off the side of the neighborhood street. MOO

 

[Theonly1]

Maybe this is a part of the NG initiation? That NG has to confront and un-balance every guest and put them in their place so NG is the top dog and they are subservient? It was bizzarre.

I thought that the reporter gave a great presentation and reported very well.

Refreshing.

I don't like this trait or habit in Nancy. While I do enjoy the show, I could also do without her cutting of the guests and acting omniscient.

 

[cyberborg]

After reading your post, I'm just curious how long it would take in the Florida climate for the tissue to completely be decomposed ~ 31 days maybe? More or less? MOO

~2 weeks, previously stated by forensic experts.

 

[Jolynna]

Not sticking up for Ca in any way, HOWEVER, I am so SICK and TIRED of people saying that she wasn't a good grandma because she let KC be the mother. PEOPLE, please understand, that you have no rights to your grandchildren. My stepdaughter could be KC, I am having nightmares about it...and there is NOTHING I can do!!! CPS will do NOTHING unless they are harmed or dead first! My grandchildren have woefully neglected, and nada, nothing, zilch. Calls from friends, family, etc, go unheeded.

It IS possible that ANY of our children could make a baby with someone unsuitable who could possibly be a part of our grandchild's life part of the time (if not more) FOREVER.

You are right that grandparents have few real rights in most states.

IMO

 

[panthera]

~2 weeks, previously stated by forensic experts.

Thanks for reminding me ~ I remember that now. :doh: I was just thinking if Casey knew this beforehand. MOO

 

[Asker]

Perhaps GA and CA and LA were not at the hearing because they are about to roll over on KC in return for immunity. Maybe they've given up on trying to save their princess and have opted to save their own butts instead.

 

[charo]

Dont know exactly how long it took the body to decompose but remember she was laying there for almost 5 months- there wouldnt be tissue left after 5 months

 

[Theonly1]

Under Kidnapping scenario:

Why even bother to duct tape a child's mouth at all? It makes no sense. Duct taping an adult's mouth I understand. But a child of two years old? Other than screaming and crying, what is an upset child going to say that's going to be clear anyway? A screaming toddler is not necessarily cause for alarm (kids cry). Invisi-Nanny was allegedly familiar with Caylee and Caylee would not have been upset to leave with her even if she was snatched up. If duct tape was used to STAGE a crime then it's just ham-handed!

I think the duct tape was to keep Caylee quiet and to kill her.

 

[essies]

especially since she drove in that neighborhood and the surrounding areas all the time anyway.

Likewise with phone pings, it may show she was at her parents' house that day or driving down the neighborhood that day, but that was a normal occurrence. It obviously doesn't exclude a different perpetrator disposing of the body there.

I was very surprised that it was reported the plant growth would pinpoint the date of the body being placed there to June 18 (a particular day!) and that somehow this means only KCA could have done it (?). I would expect the plant life could narrow it down to a range of a few weeks. And how does it pinpoint it to KC? Anyone else could have dumped the body there during the time frame. And still doesn't answer the question of how did the LE repeatedly not find the body there despite tips, and how did the cadaver dogs supposedly "clear" the area. So those questions remain.

With the plants, I would never think they could pinpoint to an exact day, after all wouldn't a plant that's standing in one spot possibly grow more or less than a plant right next to it that has that bit more or less sunlight where it's standing?

Nothing reported tonight made it clear how it could be pinpointed to premeditated murder by KC and acting alone, so if it's true, they must have other evidence that will come out at trial. (But duct tape from the A home wouldn't pinpoint it to KC only or acting alone..... so I can't imagine what the evidence is. Must be a bombshell. MOO

The amount of manhours spent on this case has got to be amazing. I can't wait to see all the time and resources used detailed. I'm sure the defense will try to poke holes, but in the end I think CA will have a new respect for science!!

 

[nomoresorrow]

I don't know if saliva would prove it was put on while alive, seems like vomit might, maybe not.
But obviously there isn't any reason to place tape on the face after death. The tape definitely means to me that this was a violent attack and murder on Caylee, it doesn't pinpoint it to KC though, it could have been any perpetrator. If it's duct tape from the A household, could be anyone who had access to that house. To me, the fact that there was duct tape on the mouth tends to point away from KC because if KC were the perp, I don't think she would ever leave the duct tape on the body, she would remove it to make it look more like an accident. I also don't think she would dump the body right there off the side of the neighborhood street. MOO

Do you know of anyone else who had access to her pontiac somewhere between June 16th - June 19th? How about a perp that would leave Caylee's favorite book, seen on the last video of her reading THAT book, at the crime scene ? Did you see OCSO run to secure another individual's home as soon as they were done at the secondary crime scene ? I can name off a whole..... but I'm curious ?

 

[panthera]

Dont know exactly how long it took the body to decompose but remember she was laying there for almost 5 months- there wouldnt be tissue left after 5 months

I was thinking of Casey's little "timeline" like maybe she was keeping track of days to make sure nothing was left of Caylee that could show how she died. MOO

 

[anastacia129]

I am thinking that although the botany forensics were reported today and the sources also reported OCSO had evidence it was def muder 1 and kc def acted alone, I don't think they are related, as in, the botany forensics concluded that it was murder 1 etc. I don't think there is any way you could conclude murder 1 just based on botany forensics.

 

[Jolynna]

So the only place in FL these turpins are found is off of suburban?

Maybe off of Suburban is the only place in Florida close to where Casey's car pinged with turpins of that type and at that stage on June 18.

Casey's pings backed up by witness testimony pinpoint almost every move she made from June 16 to July 15.

IMO

 

[nomoresorrow]

I know, it must have been the big bad boogyman that lives down the street (maybe on Elm St.) Couldn't possibly be the mother! Unreal--------