Nancy Grace - 10/16/08 Thursday

[seagull65]

I have to tell you that I lost my oldest child to SIDS when I was 16 and I found him. My ex-husband (who was 20) and I were both in shock, but it didn't stop me from running next door to call 911 while he was doing CPR, even though we both realized (LATER) that it was already too late. I NEVER had a problem remembering it, could tell you everything about it even now 34 years later. So, I really have a problem buying that.

Everyone's response is so different when a tragic accident happens. Most people would have the normal response that you did. And I am so sorry to hear that that happened to you and your family.

But some people don't have very organized, logical, or mature minds. Some people don't know who they can trust. Some have various problems. Some are using drugs or alcohol and aren't sure what happened when.

Or, again, there are so many other reasons a person might not tell the truth about an accident. Others on this board have stated them much better than I have.

And an accident is only one possibility of what could have happened. We simply know so little in this case.

But point taken.

 

[Brini]

Yeah, but I've looked at missing children websites plenty of times. That's what the pictures on the milk cartons are all about, isn't it? Or the posters in the post office? To make you stop and look. Haven't lots of people looked at the Missing Children's Center website before, just wondering, are there any children in my area that need to be found or whatever? I mean, how does looking at missing children on a website connect with then supposedly murdering ones own child? I never got what that line of thinking was exactly.

KC had had a social life and a baby for three years, why all of a sudden would she want to murder her child? It doesn't add up for me.

Same reason as Diana Downs and Susan Smith. The boyfriends didn't want a kid.

Seagull, the forensic evidence was ALL in KC's car.

 

[Brini]

I think Casey may have been researching missing children to look for a way to make Caylee disappear without having LE look at her as a suspect. I'd be interested to know if she spent more time looking at cases of stranger abduction vs. family abduction.

Yeppers.

 

[Oakley]

I haven't seen People this week. I'll have to get one tonorrow.
This info Jesse has given doesn't surprise me at all though. Casey didn't watch her toddler daughter. It sounds like little Caylee was on her own! And we already pretty much knew that. it just doesn't make sense to me that if Caylee had some type of accident or injury, why would Casey call 911? If it were truely an accident !
Somehow, I can't buy the accident theory. What about the chloraform?
Thanks for this Boston.

(Bolding is mine.) Seems that way. What I don't get is: who watched Caylee during the day? CA worked full-time. KC spent endless hours on-line or texting. Who watched Caylee?

 

[Themis]

If CA had her way, all of LE's limited resources would be spent chasing down "tips" of extremely dubious reliability and exhausting themselves on every hairbrained idea that isn't supported by even a scintilla of evidence; while ignoring the solid proof and evidence they do have. CA, essentially, wants to create decoys so LE can't get their homicide case ready for trial. JMHO, of course.

 

[Boston]

The Satanists was a media leak from the defense. Laci was kidnapped so the Satanists could sacrifice her baby. You had to live in Modesto at the time to appreciate all the GARBAGE that Geragos and his crew spewed into the media. He stood on the courthouse steps daily with new theories for the media. It was interesting at best, and just showed how bizzare a defense can be.

Another thing in that trial was the number of witness sitings that allegedlyh were not followed up by the police. It's a bunch of lies - alleged sitings of her when Scott was still at home by people who didn't know Laci.

I take all sitings with a grain of salt since most sistings are by people who do NOT know the victim. Yet they are proclaimed to be acual sitings. Cindy doesw that on a daily basis. Yet no one has provided a drawing or a picture of the alleged kidnapper to LE for them to pursue. That is why the nanny is a phantom.

No wonder lawyers get such a bad wrap......

I don't put any stock in these Caylee sightings either

She's seen in Dallas one minute & NYC the next - She can't be everywhere

If these people are so sure it's Caylee why doesn't one of them run up to whomever has her & whack them on the head & grab Caylee?

And your right......Where's the Sketch.....the photo's......surveillance....where's anything?

 

[seagull65]

Seems to me the point of an investigation is to find answers; not to see how many pointless questions can be raised. :waitasec:

In this investigation there certainly does not seem to have been much interest in looking any further than the Anthony's home and car, that's for sure. Which is kind of odd, since that's where KC had spent the least time during the time frame. Again, it seems to me, from appearances only, I may be wowed during the trial to find out that there was lots of investigation to find out what happened, who knows, but on the surface it does look like investigators confusing themselves with prosecutors.

Pointless questions? If any of us had a loved one missing, would we find it pointless for investigators to check out every possible scenario? I wouldn't.

How can they find any answers, without raising all the possible scenarios they can think of?

 

[Themis]

I think Casey may have been researching missing children to look for a way to make Caylee disappear without having LE look at her as a suspect. I'd be interested to know if she spent more time looking at cases of stranger abduction vs. family abduction.

WAIT A SEC! Are you saying there is now information that KC was researching missing children on the web? This is new info to me!

 

[Brini]

Boy do I agree with that statement. What is being done to find Caylee out there, and I don't mean only looking in the Anthonys back yard or the local ponds, that's one angle, and I have all the respect in the world for the volunteers like TM who have been doing that, but what about the whole other side of the investigation, the investigation into a missing, possibly kidnapped child. For all we know, KC could suffer from mental illness, that could be the reason for her confused account and her failure to notify police, we have no way of knowing. It was like LE expected her to be able to tell them where Caylee was, they wouldn't move beyond that and start searching, researching, investigation on their own. How much did they honestly look for a living Caylee? In the interviews with Cindy, YM seemed really annoyed that they had even had to field a few dozen "sightings" reports. He was like, "We checked out several of those sightings and the kids didn't even look like Caylee" (.....) (That's not exactly how he worded it but it was pretty close to that.) How indepth or ongoing has the missing person search really been? I really hope they didn't have tunnel vision and weren't too focused on just one line of investigation, you know.

They have too much evidence that Caylee is dead, and was stored in KC's car for a week. Hair with a death band, body fluids with cadaverine and Caylee's DNA.

LE is not going to look for a child who is provably dead.

AND, on the 19th, KC bought a pizza and threw it in the trunk with Caylee's body.

AND, KC is not insane. She is a sociopathic liar and a years-long criminal. She is not confused in the slightest.

 

[Pondering Mind]

No wonder lawyers get such a bad wrap......

I don't put any stock in these Caylee sightings either

She's seen in Dallas one minute & NYC the next - She can't be everywhere

If these people are so sure it's Caylee why doesn't one of them run up to whomever has her & whack them on the head & grab Caylee?

And your right......Where's the Sketch.....the photo's......surveillance....where's anything?

Where is the picture from the park that the PI's were on their way to get? :waitasec:

 

[cyberborg]

Why hang around? Well, that's because most convicts are stupid. They are unsuccessful criminals -- they got caught. Happens all the time. Our prisons are full of them.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[Themis]

In this investigation there certainly does not seem to have been much interest in looking any further than the Anthony's home and car, that's for sure. Which is kind of odd, since that's where KC had spent the least time during the time frame. Again, it seems to me, from appearances only, I may be wowed during the trial to find out that there was lots of investigation to find out what happened, who knows, but on the surface it does look like investigators confusing themselves with prosecutors.

Well, as I understand it, that's because LE has information to show that Caylee died on the evening of June 15th or on June 16th. The place where KC spent the most time during that time period was at the Anthony home and in the Anthony car (white Pontiac), so that is a logical place to look for evidence as a starting point and what happened -- they found the death evidence and DNA they were looking for.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Who is the "he" you are referring to?

oops, perhaps seagull65 is female. I apologize.

 

[Brini]

I know she stole from Amy after Caylee went missing, but she stole from her grandparents before that, and, unless I'm remembering incorrectly, she also stole from Cindy both before and after Caylee disappeared.

She's been stealing for years. CA has gone into her 401k a few times to cover for KC.

 

[OneLostGrl]

WAIT A SEC! Are you saying there is now information that KC was researching missing children on the web? This is new info to me!

It came out in the last doc dump in the computer stuff.. it's here, just have to find the computer forensic thread.

 

[Themis]

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Pointless questions? If any of us had a loved one missing, would we find it pointless for investigators to check out every possible scenario? I wouldn't.

How can they find any answers, without raising all the possible scenarios they can think of?

IMHO, they already have the answers and the unreliable tips and theories that unsupported by even a shred of evidence are pointless. LE has only a certain amount of resources and they are conducting a superb investigation following where the evidence itself is leading them. That's rational. It is also the best use of taxpayer funding. Go LE!

 

[seagull65]

If CA had her way, all of LE's limited resources would be spent chasing down "tips" of extremely dubious reliability and exhausting themselves on every hairbrained idea that isn't supported by even a scintilla of evidence; while ignoring the solid proof and evidence they do have. CA, essentially, wants to create decoys so LE can't get their homicide case ready for trial. JMHO, of course.

Personally, one of the most astounding and ridiculous things I've ever heard, was when a certain investigator seemed to say in that videotaped interview, and I know everyone is only human and can make mistakes, but still: "But we've already checked out some of those sightings, and those kids didn't even look like Caylee...."
When you hear something like that you don't know whether to laugh or cry. If I were a member of the family, I know which one I would do.

 

[Chilly Willy]

It came out in the last doc dump in the computer stuff.. it's here, just have to find the computer forensic thread.

That's what I'm trying to do too. I know it's around here somewhere.

 

[Themis]

It came out in the last doc dump in the computer stuff.. it's here, just have to find the computer forensic thread.

Gracias. I hadn't time to read it all and work my day job.

 

[amethyst221]

In this investigation there certainly does not seem to have been much interest in looking any further than the Anthony's home and car, that's for sure. Which is kind of odd, since that's where KC had spent the least time during the time frame. Again, it seems to me, from appearances only, I may be wowed during the trial to find out that there was lots of investigation to find out what happened, who knows, but on the surface it does look like investigators confusing themselves with prosecutors.

Pointless questions? If any of us had a loved one missing, would we find it pointless for investigators to check out every possible scenario? I wouldn't.

How can they find any answers, without raising all the possible scenarios they can think of?

You keep saying we can't draw any conclusions about Casey because we really know so little. How can you draw any conclusions about what LE has or hasn't investigated or whether it is unfair or too restricted, when we know so little, really, of what they are up to. They may have fully pursued a myriad of things and reasonably concluded they are dead ends.