Nancy Grace - 11/7/08 Friday

[Thinaire]

She probably said she'd drop it off at the bank on her way to work.

I probably need to finish reading the thread...but heres how I heard it...Casey stole or owed them $$$ and SAID she paid G & C back by showing them the deposit...then when the $ did not show up later in their account, the robbery story to cover up being caught making false deposit slip.

 

[shergal]

Okay this is from memory and may NOT be correct but I do recall JB's daughter possibly going to Colonial?

I think you're right. I read on one of the threads here (don't recall which one) that Baez has a daughter Christine (or Kristine) who is friends with KC and after ToddB was let go, this Christine was now doing the PR work on the case for JB.

 

[3doglady]

My eyes just rolled into the back of my head. I bet that's exactly what she said!

But if Casey was "robbed at gunpoint" she wouldn't have the deposit slip in hand, would she? A deposit slip would mean the money made it to its destination (i.e., the bank and not her wallet). A durrrrrr...

I think the deposit slip and gunpoint were two different incidences. Sounded like KC said she was paying back some of the $ she had stolen by depositing $ in CA's account. Instead, she gave CA a fake deposit slip. GA didn't know how she made the fake deposit slip but it was for same amount ($4000) that he had previously sold a car for and deposited in CA's account. Maybe KC somehow got that old $4000 deposit slip and changed the date. Don't know what the gunpoint thing was about.

 

[TakeNote]

also remember there was something about KC telling her friends that she had 4000.00 saved for moving or something to that affect

 

[nancy botwin]

I probably need to finish reading the thread...but heres how I heard it...Casey stole or owed them $$$ and SAID she paid G & C back by showing them the deposit...then when the $ did not show up later in their account, the robbery story to cover up being caught making false deposit slip.

That's how I understood it too-- and the mythical gunman took the deposit slip, so George was worried that the mythical gunman had all of their personal information, so he tried to get to the bottom of it. And Cindy and Casey:furious: told him to "stop playing detective."

 

[cyberborg]

I think you're right. I read on one of the threads here (don't recall which one) that Baez has a daughter Christine (or Kristine) who is friends with KC and after ToddB was let go, this Christine was now doing the PR work on the case for JB.

That's right.

See this link, scroll down:

http://grove.ufl.edu/~prssa/board.html

 

[txsvicki]

That's how I understood it too-- and the mythical gunman took the deposit slip, so George was worried that the mythical gunman had all of their personal information, so he tried to get to the bottom of it. And Cindy and Casey:furious: told him to "stop playing detective."

Right, and something about "if I'm going to have to move Casey to another place because of this". Maybe this was some type of con to get his money and get him to set Casey up in an apartment. Wow.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

That's how I understood it too-- and the mythical gunman took the deposit slip, so George was worried that the mythical gunman had all of their personal information, so he tried to get to the bottom of it. And Cindy and Casey:furious: told him to "stop playing detective."

I wonder if CA was in on it. Why else would she stop GA from finding out more details?

 

[nancy botwin]

Right, and something about "if I'm going to have to move Casey to another place because of this". Maybe this was some type of con to get his money and get him to set Casey up in an apartment. Wow.

ew! yeah! I forgot about the random comment about "moving Casey" somewhere. She's so EVIL. I'm glad George figured out that was a lie.

 

[nancy botwin]

I wonder if CA was in on it. Why else would she stop GA from finding out more details?

I feel like part of Cindy tended to always know when Casey was lying, but she didn't want it to get "out of hand" ( ie, George to figure it out and freak out, as any normal person would.) I don't think Cindy would fabricate the gunman story, but I imagine she knew it was a lie and wanted to just shove it under the rug and give Casey the money to cover it. I think if Cindy really believed a random gunman had their personal info she would have flipped out and made a federal case of it and not just chided George for his silly detective fantasies.

 

[3doglady]

Thanks for the link. I reread and it is hard to say for sure what GA may have said to Simon exactly. He uses both haven't seen and missing. He does say that GA says that his daughter has been lying.

I don't know if this is where I got what I said or not. I would not have interpreted what Simon said that way.

I know that I read somewhere that GA said that they had found KC but that Caylee was missing but maybe it was just something that someone of the board said.

Oh well, even perfect people are wrong sometimes.....j/k.

does anyone else remember it the way that I do that GA said they had found KC but that either Caylee was missing or that hadn't see her?

I remember reading that also. It was discussed on here at the time. Was it is in the first GA interview they released?

 

[OneLostGrl]

She can steal from her parents because Cindy trained her to. Every lie was bolder, bigger and more outrageous. Lying led to stealing which also increased in the amount taken and the story behind it with every event.

uh huh! And it starts at a young age, this training.. so they know nothing different, they don't know that everyone else doesn't live this way.. Of course I am not blaming Cindy for Caylees death, that's all on Casey.

 

[yosande]

I have been guilty of this.

I had an ex that cheated.

If you have ever lived in the same house with a person that is horrific when confronted sometimes playing along to keep the peace is easier than accepting the truth.

It's also safer. This woman was/is capable of murder.

 

[yosande]

Thanks for the link. I reread and it is hard to say for sure what GA may have said to Simon exactly. He uses both haven't seen and missing. He does say that GA says that his daughter has been lying.

I don't know if this is where I got what I said or not. I would not have interpreted what Simon said that way.

I know that I read somewhere that GA said that they had found KC but that Caylee was missing but maybe it was just something that someone of the board said.

Oh well, even perfect people are wrong sometimes.....j/k.

does anyone else remember it the way that I do that GA said they had found KC but that either Caylee was missing or that hadn't see her?

IIRC it was CA that said that to LA while going home, and LA said he was already there.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I don't mean this to be nasty. I mean it seriously. They ALL sound like they could have used help a while ago.

Aint that the truth!

 

[yosande]

I remember, "we just found our daughter today...".

This is the third 911 phone call from CA, IIRC.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I remember early in the case Cindy saying Casey always eventually tells the truth. Cindy may actually believe she gets the truth out of her, but really all she has gotten was the lie she finally accepted.

Par for the course in personality disordered homes.. they live in an alternate reality.

 

[MOMto5]

It's also safer. This woman was/is capable of murder.

Yes. This is what I was getting at earlier. I believe that , sometime along the way, they had to have realized how dangerous KC was becoming. They chose to play along with her lies instead of confront them for SOME reason. And I think they must have realized that she could become dangerous.

I have a 2 year old granddaughter and my son is 20. Say he had been calling me regularly but had I not spoken to my granddaughter(which by the way would NEVER happen 1)because would I go track her down myself and 2) my son is NOTHING like KC) for weeks. Then I get a letter from the towyard to pick up abandoned car. Before getting to towyard, myself or my husband has talked to my son and he explains that he ran out of gas but everything is okay. I get to towyard and car really stinks horribly. I do not believe that the first thing I would think would be "God I hope that smell isn't my grandbaby." Because I KNOW MY son, I would probably simply think, "Good grief this car reeks, wonder what that smell is." The Anthony's also KNOW THEIR daughter, and the first thing that came to mind is that their granddaughter could possibly be dead and the source of the smell. That shows me that they had to know how bad the situation with KC was and what she was capable of . Sorry so long.

 

[yosande]

I don't believe that it is all CA's fault. Parents only have so much control and as you say KC was an adult. However, it sounds to me as if they knew that she lied and stole money long before Caylee went missing and it does not appear that they tried to do much about it while they were still able to. That is before she became an adult.

On the other hand, even though she was an adult, she was living under her parents roof and so they had the right to hold her to their rules while she did. Not to mention that she acted like a spoiled child and was treated like a child a lot.

Well I got lost and missed my point completely. the point is, when you are parents you have to present a united front with the kids during praise or punishment. It sounds like they did not do that. KC learned that she could get away with a slap on the wrist from her mom. She learned that her mom would defend her against her father and that she would gloss over anything that she did wrong. She most likely was the cause of many arguments between CA and GA because one wanted to make her take responsibility for what she did wrong and the other just wanted to pretend that it didn't happen.

Sometimes your child turns out bad no matter what you do or do not do but I think that how she was raised and how they reacted to her bad acts is relevant to a discussion of her actions and how she is.

You wish that everyone would stop blaming her parents for her behavior, I wish that everyone would stop ignoring the behavior of her parents but I don't go around telling them that. There is grief and denial and then there is spitefulness, cover-ups, and lying. Each of us sees something different in the A's behavior. It remains to be seen which of us ends up being right but I have a right to voice my opinion just like you.

sorry, no offense intended. just frustrated I guess. I have compassion for the people who have lost their beloved beautiful grandchild. I wouldn't want people blaming me for my daughter's crime, even if I hadn't been a great parent. It seems like rubbing salt into open wounds. jmo of course. yes, we all have a right to one.

 

[cyberborg]

Yes. This is what I was getting at earlier. I believe that , sometime along the way, they had to have realized how dangerous KC was becoming. They chose to play along with her lies instead of confront them for SOME reason. And I think they must have realized that she could become dangerous.

I have a 2 year old granddaughter and my son is 20. Say he had been calling me regularly but had I not spoken to my granddaughter(which by the way would NEVER happen 1)because would I go track her down myself and 2) my son is NOTHING like KC) for weeks. Then I get a letter from the towyard to pick up abandoned car. Before getting to towyard, myself or my husband has talked to my son and he explains that he ran out of gas but everything is okay. I get to towyard and car really stinks horribly. I do not believe that the first thing I would think would be "God I hope that smell isn't my grandbaby." Because I KNOW MY son, I would probably simply think, "Good grief this car reeks, wonder what that smell is." The Anthony's also KNOW THEIR daughter, and the first thing that came to mind is that their granddaughter could possibly be dead and the source of the smell. That shows me that they had to know how bad the situation with KC was and what she was capable of . Sorry so long.

Extremely well said. It never occurred to me but you are dead on. Excuse the pun.

There were seeds planted that made them worried, like CA's heartbroken MySpace page in early July that something was terribly wrong. Terribly wrong.

It wasn't just that KC was withholding Caylee or even that someone had taken Caylee or that KC had given/sold Caylee.

This fear was already there... George had fears from the gas can incident, etc