Nancy Grace - 11/7/08 Friday

[DotsEyes]

Yes. This is what I was getting at earlier. I believe that , sometime along the way, they had to have realized how dangerous KC was becoming. They chose to play along with her lies instead of confront them for SOME reason. And I think they must have realized that she could become dangerous.

I have a 2 year old granddaughter and my son is 20. Say he had been calling me regularly but had I not spoken to my granddaughter(which by the way would NEVER happen 1)because would I go track her down myself and 2) my son is NOTHING like KC) for weeks. Then I get a letter from the towyard to pick up abandoned car. Before getting to towyard, myself or my husband has talked to my son and he explains that he ran out of gas but everything is okay. I get to towyard and car really stinks horribly. I do not believe that the first thing I would think would be "God I hope that smell isn't my grandbaby." Because I KNOW MY son, I would probably simply think, "Good grief this car reeks, wonder what that smell is." The Anthony's also KNOW THEIR daughter, and the first thing that came to mind is that their granddaughter could possibly be dead and the source of the smell. That shows me that they had to know how bad the situation with KC was and what she was capable of . Sorry so long.

I see your point. Parents know their children and what they are capable of doing. Don't they?

 

[Boston]

George & Cindy both know that Casey is perfectly capable of harming Caylee.

Either intentionally or unintentionally

Normal people don't search their backyard looking for their granddaughter or for signs of foul play" or say things like ..."I hope that's not my granddaughter in the trunk"

Whatever was going on inside the Anthony household for the past 5 or 6 years led Cindy & George to assume the WORST when it came to Casey

 

[magic-cat]

Yes. This is what I was getting at earlier. I believe that , sometime along the way, they had to have realized how dangerous KC was becoming. They chose to play along with her lies instead of confront them for SOME reason. And I think they must have realized that she could become dangerous.

I have a 2 year old granddaughter and my son is 20. Say he had been calling me regularly but had I not spoken to my granddaughter(which by the way would NEVER happen 1)because would I go track her down myself and 2) my son is NOTHING like KC) for weeks. Then I get a letter from the towyard to pick up abandoned car. Before getting to towyard, myself or my husband has talked to my son and he explains that he ran out of gas but everything is okay. I get to towyard and car really stinks horribly. I do not believe that the first thing I would think would be "God I hope that smell isn't my grandbaby." Because I KNOW MY son, I would probably simply think, "Good grief this car reeks, wonder what that smell is." The Anthony's also KNOW THEIR daughter, and the first thing that came to mind is that their granddaughter could possibly be dead and the source of the smell. That shows me that they had to know how bad the situation with KC was and what she was capable of . Sorry so long.

Bold mine...The reason that George knew immediately what it was is because he admits he has smelled the smell of decomposing bodies before in his work as a police officer for 1 years, and it is a smell that once smelled is never forgotten or confused with any other. HE knew because he knew what that smell was...period.

 

[RR0004]

I think the deposit slip and gunpoint were two different incidences. Sounded like KC said she was paying back some of the $ she had stolen by depositing $ in CA's account. Instead, she gave CA a fake deposit slip. GA didn't know how she made the fake deposit slip but it was for same amount ($4000) that he had previously sold a car for and deposited in CA's account. Maybe KC somehow got that old $4000 deposit slip and changed the date. Don't know what the gunpoint thing was about.

Something to do with working at Sports Authority? Didn't George ask Ryan about it? (Ryan actually DID work there IIRC)

 

[magic-cat]

George & Cindy both know that Casey is perfectly capable of harming Caylee.

Either intentionally or unintentionally

Normal people don't search their backyard looking for their granddaughter or for signs of foul play" or say things like ..."I hope that's not my granddaughter in the trunk"

Whatever was going on inside the Anthony household for the past 5 or 6 years led Cindy & George to assume the WORST when it came to Casey

Here is why I think they searched the back-yard. I think they saw something "disturbed" back there at some point while Casey and Caylee were missing, something that did not bother them too much or maybe even register until they smelled the car. I think Casey had dug around somewhere back there, and they connected the dots: the swimming pool ladder, the gate, Casey refusing to allow them to speak with Caylee for over a month, none of Caylee's stuff being missing, the odd way that Casey had behaved about keeping George away from the trunk, and who knows what else. And a "normal" person who has smelled death (read the decomp thread for verification) will certainly know that smell if they encounter it again.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I don't believe that it is all CA's fault. Parents only have so much control and as you say KC was an adult. However, it sounds to me as if they knew that she lied and stole money long before Caylee went missing and it does not appear that they tried to do much about it while they were still able to. That is before she became an adult.

On the other hand, even though she was an adult, she was living under her parents roof and so they had the right to hold her to their rules while she did. Not to mention that she acted like a spoiled child and was treated like a child a lot.

Well I got lost and missed my point completely. the point is, when you are parents you have to present a united front with the kids during praise or punishment. It sounds like they did not do that. KC learned that she could get away with a slap on the wrist from her mom. She learned that her mom would defend her against her father and that she would gloss over anything that she did wrong. She most likely was the cause of many arguments between CA and GA because one wanted to make her take responsibility for what she did wrong and the other just wanted to pretend that it didn't happen.

Sometimes your child turns out bad no matter what you do or do not do but I think that how she was raised and how they reacted to her bad acts is relevant to a discussion of her actions and how she is.

You wish that everyone would stop blaming her parents for her behavior, I wish that everyone would stop ignoring the behavior of her parents but I don't go around telling them that. There is grief and denial and then there is spitefulness, cover-ups, and lying. Each of us sees something different in the A's behavior. It remains to be seen which of us ends up being right but I have a right to voice my opinion just like you.

:clap: Good for you!

Parents are supposed to teach their children.. they mold their little characters, they give them morals and manners and teach them right from wrong. We are supposed to help our kids develop guilt, parents are supposed to lead by example. Part of being a parent is teaching your children what kinds of behaviors are and are not accepted in society. Giving your children values and consequenses are just as important.

That stuff just does not seem to have happened in the A's home.. except for the leading by example part- Casey sure learned a lot from her mothers behaviors and of course added her own little techniques as time went on. Is Cindy responsible for what Casey did to Caylee? No- I don't think so but I do think Cindy had a hand in creating the monster that allegedly murdered her granddaughter.

 

[DotsEyes]

Let me see if I got this straight.

KC told her parents that she had deposited $4K into CA's account and showed them a deposit slip as proof of the deposit. No such deposit ever happened. CA has bank affidavits to prove this.

The deposit slip was for the same amount that GA received for his old car? How hard it is to recreate a deposit slip? It is downright creepy that she kept a copy of GA's deposit. Planner.

Then there is the "robbed at gunpoint" story. I am not clear exactly what was stolen here.

When did this deposit slip thing happen?

What was stolen in the robbery?

GA was asking about a police officer's card and a report of the robbery, did KC claim that she reported this crime?

 

[MOMto5]

Let me see if I got this straight.

KC told her parents that she had deposited $4K into CA's account and showed them a deposit slip as proof of the deposit. No such deposit ever happened. CA has bank affidavits to prove this.

The deposit slip was for the same amount that GA received for his old car? How hard it is to recreate a deposit slip? It is downright creepy that she kept a copy of GA's deposit. Planner.

Then there is the "robbed at gunpoint" story. I am not clear exactly what was stolen here.

When did this deposit slip thing happen?

What was stolen in the robbery?

GA was asking about a police officer's card and a report of the robbery, did KC claim that she reported this crime?

If I understand correctly, KC claimed a man held her up at gunpoint and stole the money she was supposed to have deposited. GA wanted the police officers card because KC insinuated that the real deposit slip was with the stolen money and GA was worried about the thief having that information. CA then shut GA down , not wanting to involve LE but wanting to handle this herself.

 

[OneLostGrl]

If I understand correctly, KC claimed a man held her up at gunpoint and stole the money she was supposed to have deposited. GA wanted the police officers card because KC insinuated that the real deposit slip was with the stolen money and GA was worried about the thief having that information. CA then shut GA down , not wanting to involve LE but wanting to handle this herself.

Was this right before she took off with Caylee or earlier, do you know?

 

[FIND'HER]

Im Confused about what GA said. He said that Jose B was hired and somehow KC paid him some money in the beginning??? HOW??? Plus what is the deal with the 4,000 deposit thing???

 

[MOMto5]

Was this right before she took off with Caylee or earlier, do you know?

You know, I have no idea, but I seem to get the feeling it was earlier. It kind of sounded like he was just putting it out there to show how involved KC's lies can get.

 

[MOMto5]

Im Confused about what GA said. He said that Jose B was hired and somehow KC paid him some money in the beginning??? HOW??? Plus what is the deal with the 4,000 deposit thing???

Now I am not positive on this, but I believe that GA was saying that he didn't know who was paying JB. JB said that KC told him she had several thousand dollars but really she only had a thousand and something and had never paid him anything. When GA tried to push the question about who was paying him, JB skirted around it and never gave an direct answer.

 

[FIND'HER]

Thats a pondering Question on who is PAYING for Jose B.

 

[CaliKid]

Now I am not positive on this, but I believe that GA was saying that he didn't know who was paying JB. JB said that KC told him she had several thousand dollars but really she only had a thousand and something and had never paid him anything. When GA tried to push the question about who was paying him, JB skirted around it and never gave an direct answer.

George said that KC told JB she had $5,000 and hired him. Then she changed her story and claimed she only had $1400. George doesn't know how he's getting paid and was questioning the money it's going to cost to bring in professional witnesses, etc. to testify.

 

[MOMto5]

George said that KC told JB she had $5,000 and hired him. Then she changed her story and claimed she only had $1400. George doesn't know how he's getting paid and was questioning the money it's going to cost to bring in professional witnesses, etc. to testify.

Thanks...I was a little fuzzy on the amounts.:crazy:

 

[OneLostGrl]

You know, I have no idea, but I seem to get the feeling it was earlier. It kind of sounded like he was just putting it out there to show how involved KC's lies can get.

Thanks for answering me

 

[magic-cat]

George said that KC told JB she had $5,000 and hired him. Then she changed her story and claimed she only had $1400. George doesn't know how he's getting paid and was questioning the money it's going to cost to bring in professional witnesses, etc. to testify.

But remember, this was on July 24th when this interview took place, and the Anthony's have come into bookoos of money since then from interviews and picture and video rights, and probably movie and book rights as well if the truth were known in its totality. It is possible that since he made that statement, he has become able to pick up that tab, or as he stated, perhaps Jose has some deals of his own on the burner...

 

[azwriter]

You're right!:blowkiss: Good catch.

I can't understand how KC has no conscience.....how can anyone steal from their parents? How can parents not notice that their child has no conscience?

They didn't want to know the truth about their daughter. I know lots of parents who do this. They can't face the fact their child would do anything wrong - either because they think it is a reflection on their parenting skills or they have no idea how to confront and guide a child in the right direction. It's easier to just close your eyes to the situation. Pretty sad.

 

[janice]

On the NG show last night--she played an audio of GA where he states that KC's behavior had changed in the last two or two and a half months. I find this believable because in the beginning all of KC's old friends came to her defense, saying that they just couldn't believe she would harm Caylee and that she was a very good mother. Don't know how long she had been stealing, but that doesn't indicate one is capable of murder. Maybe CA and GA really had no clue that KC was capable of THIS. Even if they did, what were they supposed to do? If her behavior had just recently changed, it would have taken considerable time to get legal custody of Caylee.
One other point about CA never speaking to this ZG. Wasn't she working full time, making frequent visits to the nursing home, keeping watch over the other elderly parent, and dealing with a "rocky" marriage? She was probably busy and stressed. I wouldn't blame her if she had a good old-fashioned nervous breakdown.

 

[headndownstream]

I remember early in the case Cindy saying Casey always eventually tells the truth. Cindy may actually believe she gets the truth out of her, but really all she has gotten was the lie she finally accepted.

I imagine that is very close to right!