Nancy Grace Exclusive w/ Neveah's Mom - 8 June 2009

[sfbaynancydrew]

Finally it's on youtube!


Actually, it's easier to just click here: http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947

 

[Facts given]

It is strange she never mentioned calling 911, when realized the child is missing, and obviously someone else did.

But she could call her sex offender boyfriend.

Her story is rather confusing.
She claims 'she kept her close', but clealry left her unattended, so it's another lie.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/08/ng.01.html

 

[Thinaire]

Hi Thinaire, still shaking my head. It's a placing blame on the victim statement. I'm not saying she's the perp but that statement points to other issues.

I have to wait for the video to watch again, I only saw from the link and convo. First time I heard she watched her go upstairs. Did she say watched her go inside? That would be easy enough to verify, I thought the last she was seen upstairs was at 3:30 when they fed her lunch.

When pressed she states that she watched her go inside the door.

She is adjusting her answers to fit the questions.

The defensivness of her other statements really bothers me. I KNEW that she was upstairs. I KNEW that she had to be either here or there? Gads for a mother that KNEW...sigh.

Also when pressed on the radio interview she reverts to "I"...I can't sleep, I can't eat...etc.

 

[karen7868]

So, I guess JB thinks there is no problem for a 26 year-old man to have sex with a 15 year-old GIRL because it was "consensual"???? My God, that is only 10 years older than Nehaeh.

I wouldn't put it past JB to defend whoever did this horrible thing and blame it all on Naveah.

Who would say such a horrible thing on national TV when she stated that Naveah lies???? She sure did try to cover up those words by saying she lied about hunger. JB lies!

It's obvious she has no boundaries.

Can anyone confirm if JB is pregnant by GK?

 

[Peliman]

I read that list somewhere Peli...trying to remember where!

The thing that stood out was the caller's tendancy to blame the victim..as in "well she is 2, grabbed for the cookie and fell and hit her head & now I can't get her to breath, etc."

Hi Thinaire, kant has a whole thread devoted to this here at Statement Analysis & Related Info

Yes, your example is giving an alibi before asking for help for the person who needs it. Red flag

I think the checkbox is under 911 callers.

Dr. Adams authored “Indicators of Veracity and Deception: An Analysis of Written Statements Made to Police,” in The International Journal of Speech, Language and the Law, with Dr. John P Jarvis, 2006.

The following articles, published in the Law Enforcement Bulletin, were authored or co-authored by Dr. Adams:

"911 Calls and Statement Analysis," 2008, co-authored with Lt. Tracy Harpster

“Are You Telling Me the Truth? Indicators of Veracity in Written Statements,” 2004

“Statement Analysis Case Study: Beyond the Words,” 2004

“Criminal Confessions: Overcoming the Challenges,” 2002, co-authored with Michael Napier

“Subtle Skills for Building Rapport: Using Neuro-linguistic Programming in the Interview Room,” 2001, co-authored with Vincent Sandoval

“Statement Analysis: What Do Words Really Reveal?” 1996

another all in one link.

http://cicentre.com/intelligencespeakers/ISB_A-K/SP_ADAMS_Susan.htm

It's a good bit of facinating LE reading. We have kant to thank for this thread.

 

[panthera]

Exactly, she was covering for him in the beginning, now it's differant. I really hope she is not involved, but it feels like she is trying to falsely cast blame for some reason. I can't think of too many good reasons to do that.

The defense lawyer guest on Nancy's show is saying she's remorseful now and realizes she put Nevaeh in danger by associating with the RSOs. My question is, if she knowingly put Nevaeh in danger, which it does seem is true, couldn't she be charged with child endangerment or neglect ~ like Casey Anthony was at first? MOO

 

[Thinaire]

Hi Thinaire, kant has a whole thread devoted to this here at Statement Analysis & Related Info

Yes, your example is giving an alibi before asking for help for the person who needs it. Red flag

I think the checkbox is under 911 callers.

Dr. Adams authored “Indicators of Veracity and Deception: An Analysis of Written Statements Made to Police,” in The International Journal of Speech, Language and the Law, with Dr. John P Jarvis, 2006.

The following articles, published in the Law Enforcement Bulletin, were authored or co-authored by Dr. Adams:

"911 Calls and Statement Analysis," 2008, co-authored with Lt. Tracy Harpster

“Are You Telling Me the Truth? Indicators of Veracity in Written Statements,” 2004

“Statement Analysis Case Study: Beyond the Words,” 2004

“Criminal Confessions: Overcoming the Challenges,” 2002, co-authored with Michael Napier

“Subtle Skills for Building Rapport: Using Neuro-linguistic Programming in the Interview Room,” 2001, co-authored with Vincent Sandoval

“Statement Analysis: What Do Words Really Reveal?” 1996

another all in one link.

http://cicentre.com/intelligencespeakers/ISB_A-K/SP_ADAMS_Susan.htm

It's a good bit of facinating LE reading. We have kant to thank for this thread.

Thank you Peliman and thank you Kant! I always remember reading things but when I go to search I can never find...some sleuther eh?

 

[Searchfortruth]

The defense lawyer guest on Nancy's show is saying she's remorseful now and realizes she put Nevaeh in danger by associating with the RSOs. My question is, if she knowingly put Nevaeh in danger, which it does seem is true, couldn't she be charged with child endangerment or neglect ~ like Casey Anthony was at first? MOO

I think most definitely she could be charged, if the state wants to charge her. Felony child neglect should be among their considerations, IMO. What I would like to know is, do they have a Felony Murder law in MI, for example, if her Felony child neglect lead to the murder of Nevaeh, would it be possible to upgrade the charge to Felony murder. I know that sounds severe, but I was mainly wondering about the possibility of that in MI.

 

[blubuni99]

You know, I think Nancy was alright with her (patient) UNTIL JB called her (deceased) daughter a liar. I was more than shocked that she just said "she lies..." like nothing happened at all. I can't even imagine - I've been waiting for Nancy to ask the 'hard' questions to SOMEONE for some time now (even though I know she is respectful to victims) but I really think it was the 'she lies' comment that set NG off. AND I don't blame her.

 

[Patty G]

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[Spyglass]

Thanks, Facts given, for the link to the CNN transcript. NOW I see where JB was going with GK's debt. She's indicating maybe the person who was owed money went after Nevaeh to get through to GK.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/08/ng.01.html

GRACE: How could that possibly be linked to your daughter`s disappearance, the fact that this sex offender, friend of yours, owed somebody some money? How could that remotely be linked to your child`s disappearance?

BUCHANAN: I honestly don`t know. What I do know.

GRACE: Well, you`re the one that said it so you must have known something?

BUCHANAN: All these scenarios are just running through my head constantly. And I think that possibly he might have owed someone money, and then to get to him is through a close loved one or -- you know, anything. All these thoughts are just running through my head.

 

[panthera]

I think most definitely she could be charged, if the state wants to charge her. Felony child neglect should be among their considerations, IMO. What I would like to know is, do they have a Felony Murder law in MI, for example, if her Felony child neglect lead to the murder of Nevaeh, would it be possible to upgrade the charge to Felony murder. I know that sounds severe, but I was mainly wondering about the possibility of that in MI.

Good question about it leading to felony murder. I think what might make a difference in not charging her yet depends on who is arrested for Nevaeh's murder. If it turns out to be one of her RSO friends, then I couldn't see how they wouldn't charge her. But if it's somebody totally unrelated, then maybe not? :waitasec: MOO

 

[Thinaire]

You know, I think Nancy was alright with her (patient) UNTIL JB called her (deceased) daughter a liar. I was more than shocked that she just said "she lies..." like nothing happened at all. I can't even imagine - I've been waiting for Nancy to ask the 'hard' questions to SOMEONE for some time now (even though I know she is respectful to victims) but I really think it was the 'she lies' comment that set NG off. AND I don't blame her.

You know that THAT was the exact moment in the show that every Websleuther on here stiffened up and said, "oh no...girl you did NOT just go there...look, look at Ms Nancy ...she is ready to blow!" :bang:

I can no longer watch Nancy without having you all right there in the room with me!

Seriously though...JB's dispassionate media tour is helping her as much as it helped the Anthony's. Which is not at all and raises more questions and fires up more hinky meters than it stops.

It certainly isn't the picture of a concerned or grieving mother.

 

[Kat]

Thank you everyone for the recounting! I appreciate it very much. Yes, I watched it but I was in shock. Total shock at her responses.

I heard a point made in one of the other cases that hits home here, the truth never changes. Once you tell the truth you can add detail but the truth never changes.

JB has changed her story in interviews in print and now on national TV. Which indicates she's lying about something for some reason. What and why I don't know yet.

Second, there is some serious pathological psychology going on here in the Mother to Daughter relationship. When she said that Nevaeh lied on national TV...I actually jumped up and yelled at the TV. "Oh no she didn't" but she already had "did".

My own personal opinion is that no matter what her education level is, her socio-economic status, her inability to communicate well, irregardless of the fact she is a felon, no matter that in her past she has done drugs...those things do not make her a bad parent. Not at all.

But what does make her a bad parent is her completely callous attitude towards her daughter that jumps out at me in every word she utters.

She called her daughter a liar on national TV.

She displaces responsibility from herself about Nevaeh's disappearance by saying that she "trusted" a five year old. Indicating she feels Nevaeh betrayed her.

She invited a Registered Sex Offender with a long rap sheet into her daughter's life. She invited that RSO's friends into her daughters life.

I can give her a pass on a lot of things. I do have compassion but my lord I have never seen anyone who expressed such hatred towards a child by action.

 

[karen7868]

I think most definitely she could be charged, if the state wants to charge her. Felony child neglect should be among their considerations, IMO. What I would like to know is, do they have a Felony Murder law in MI, for example, if her Felony child neglect lead to the murder of Nevaeh, would it be possible to upgrade the charge to Felony murder. I know that sounds severe, but I was mainly wondering about the possibility of that in MI.

Can she still be charged even though she is not the custodial parent? From what I have read, Nevaeh's GM had full custody of Nevaeh?

Would this get JB off the hook for any responsibility?

 

[Thinaire]

Thank you everyone for the recounting! I appreciate it very much. Yes, I watched it but I was in shock. Total shock at her responses.

I heard a point made in one of the other cases that hits home here, the truth never changes. Once you tell the truth you can add detail but the truth never changes.

JB has changed her story in interviews in print and now on national TV. Which indicates she's lying about something for some reason. What and why I don't know yet.

Second, there is some serious pathological psychology going on here in the Mother to Daughter relationship. When she said that Nevaeh lied on national TV...I actually jumped up and yelled at the TV. "Oh no she didn't" but she already had "did".

My own personal opinion is that no matter what her education level is, her socio-economic status, her inability to communicate well, irregardless of the fact she is a felon, no matter that in her past she has done drugs...those things do not make her a bad parent. Not at all.

But what does make her a bad parent is her completely callous attitude towards her daughter that jumps out at me in every word she utters.

She called her daughter a liar on national TV.

She displaces responsibility from herself about Nevaeh's disappearance by saying that she "trusted" a five year old. Indicating she feels Nevaeh betrayed her.

She invited a Registered Sex Offender with a long rap sheet into her daughter's life. She invited that RSO's friends into her daughters life.

I can give her a pass on a lot of things. I do have compassion but my lord I have never seen anyone who expressed such hatred towards a child by action.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[Peliman]

Thanks, Facts given, for the link to the CNN transcript. NOW I see where JB was going with GK's debt. She's indicating maybe the person who was owed money went after Nevaeh to get through to GK.

GRACE: How could that possibly be linked to your daughter`s disappearance, the fact that this sex offender, friend of yours, owed somebody some money? How could that remotely be linked to your child`s disappearance?

BUCHANAN: I honestly don`t know. What I do know.

I know people know more about this than myself but we apparently did have another RSO from monroe soliciting donations from a myspace account. Another class 4 offender who apparently works with concrete. coincidink?

Do I have this right case followers?

 

[chicoliving]

BUCHANAN: Grabbed a popsicle on the way out the door, and she, you know -- I didn`t see her -- the last time I seen her was at 6:30.

~snip~

BUCHANAN: We were just -- we just got home. She changed her clothes, everything else. I went upstairs at one point. I watched her walk in through the door. I came back downstairs. I went -- went inside.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/08/ng.01.html

 

[karen7868]

Thank you everyone for the recounting! I appreciate it very much. Yes, I watched it but I was in shock. Total shock at her responses.

I heard a point made in one of the other cases that hits home here, the truth never changes. Once you tell the truth you can add detail but the truth never changes.

JB has changed her story in interviews in print and now on national TV. Which indicates she's lying about something for some reason. What and why I don't know yet.

Second, there is some serious pathological psychology going on here in the Mother to Daughter relationship. When she said that Nevaeh lied on national TV...I actually jumped up and yelled at the TV. "Oh no she didn't" but she already had "did".

My own personal opinion is that no matter what her education level is, her socio-economic status, her inability to communicate well, irregardless of the fact she is a felon, no matter that in her past she has done drugs...those things do not make her a bad parent. Not at all.

But what does make her a bad parent is her completely callous attitude towards her daughter that jumps out at me in every word she utters.

She called her daughter a liar on national TV.

She displaces responsibility from herself about Nevaeh's disappearance by saying that she "trusted" a five year old. Indicating she feels Nevaeh betrayed her.

She invited a Registered Sex Offender with a long rap sheet into her daughter's life. She invited that RSO's friends into her daughters life.

I can give her a pass on a lot of things. I do have compassion but my lord I have never seen anyone who expressed such hatred towards a child by action.

Bravo! :clap:

 

[faefrost]

I think every single word out of this womans mouth was nothing more then a self serving lie. Regardless of whether she had anything to do with her daughters death (which more and more I am not liking what I see with her), every single statement was a complete and uter lie for the purpose of deflecting suspicion and blame from her, and throwing someone else under the bus. In this case the easy target of the RSO. When she is talking about her daughter she has that same cold unattached emotionless tone that we have learned to recognize so well when listening to Casey Anthony.