Nancy Grace Monday 12/8/2008

[ThoughtElf]

Why is it being assumed that her child being kidnapped or murdering her child would trigger a mania? In my experience when you make huge mistakes and screw up majorly, it triggers a depression.

We are messed up, make some poor choices while manic, we can be pretty impulsive and confusing. We have lots of issues. But we do love people.. we have a conscience, we feel guilt, shame and sadness... We have souls! Once our mania's pass we are our true selves again and often many of us cannot stand to even look at ourselves because of what we have done while manic. For MANY people suffering with Bipolar disorder, something this horrible could get to the extent that the person could very likely become suicidal.

I posted the same thing farther back. I backed off a little bit, because I agree that it does depend what cycle you're in to begin with, but IMO, I agree 100% with your post.

 

[frenchvixen]

I agree turbo...but get ready...that will be the defense. we have just been warned.

If they call up her parents and friends tp testify and not a single person can attest that she was bipolar and she can't even name a single psychiatrist that she's seen wouldn't that just throw out the bipolar defense? Doesn't she have to be examined by someone first at least on the defense side to corrobate that she is indeed bipolar?

 

[metalcrystal]

tonight when NG showed that clip of GA in his infinite wisdom giving the hand analogy (boy these people talk about family more than the Corleones) and then he said 2 fingers are missing, and KC said "I'm still here....." didnt that ring any alarm bells for C&G?

 

[OneLostGrl]

Trac..I LOVE your quote regarding survivors. I am a daily survivor because I have to live every day with the stigma of being bipolar. Strangers can be more understanding than family. If my brother calls me crazy one more time, I think I'll explode! I deal with my bipolar well medicated and in silence. No stripper poles, no drugs, stealing, etc. and I would never throw away a beautiful little girl named Caylee.

PS. I do tend to get alot of posts deleted due to my big mouth though....LOL

Poor Caylee

 

[RR0004]

I would like to believe most of the general public are fed up with excusing away one's bad behavior. This could have the opposite effect of their intention, which is to garner jury sympathy. I agree with what some others have said, great, go for it!

Especially true as SHE and only SHE knows where that baby is right now!

 

[OneLostGrl]

If they call up her parents and friends tp testify and not a single person can attest that she was bipolar and she can't even name a single psychiatrist that she's seen wouldn't that just throw out the bipolar defense? Doesn't she have to be examined by someone first at least on the defense side to corrobate that she is indeed bipolar?

Yeah, she would have to be diagnosed.

 

[cyberborg]

This whole thing about Caylee getting off the table, we've discussed a million times! He said he got the date wrong at first and he said he THOUGHT she told Caylee to get off the table. It's called shorthand between friends. Filling in the blanks. Which KC probably deliberately did to him. "Get off the table" she said. And he filled in the blanks. Maybe she said "Get off the table, Caylee" or maybe she didn't say "Caylee". She could've been talking to the cat. Or she could've been talking to the air. The point is she knew JG would ASSUME she was talking to Caylee. That's the point. JG didn't think it was all that important at the time and so he forgot the date. Geesh.

[snip]

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[LCoastMom]

TURBOTHINK: I NEVER said bipolar was an excuse for killing a child, or if she abused Caylee, I'm only sharing information on bipolar, just as others here have.

I do hope I have the same freedom of speech here, as everyone.

I also believe she shows signs of personality disorders big time ...

AprilShowers, always happy to see your input! :blowkiss:

The way C&G talk to KC and tip toe around her reminds me of exactly how I felt in the weeks/mos before my daughter was diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder. It is so exhausting/confusing/frustrating dealing with this tyrant your child has become.

I'm so sad for Caylee that C&G weren't strong enough to demand KC get a diagnoses and treatment. But at the same time my heart goes out to them because they were living with pure evil and I don't think they ever saw this coming.

I don't think a simple diagnoses of any disorder is going to help KC's defense. On top of whatever she has going, she is also evil and there is no cure. I only hope that the jury is able to see past the 22 year old girl and know that only evil resides inside and at any age she will never change and doesn't deserve another chance.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I've been waiting for you to show up tonight and weigh in here. From what I gather so far, best explainations I've read are that defense might have presented it as a mitigating factor in regards to the DP, or that they might bring up BP as a reason for her odd behavior. Concensus seems to be that it can't be used as a defense, per se.

It wasn't brought up as what her defense is going to be (I didn't watch)? I hate rumors! LOL

 

[OneLostGrl]

AprilShowers, always happy to see your input! :blowkiss:

The way C&G talk to KC and tip toe around her reminds me of exactly how I felt in the weeks/mos before my daughter was diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder. It is so exhausting/confusing/frustrating dealing with this tyrant your child has become.

I'm so sad for Caylee that C&G weren't strong enough to demand KC get a diagnoses and treatment. But at the same time my heart goes out to them because they were living with pure evil and I don't think they ever saw this coming.

I don't think a simple diagnoses of any disorder is going to help KC's defense. On top of whatever she has going, she is also evil and there is no cure. I only hope that the jury is able to see past the 22 year old girl and know that only evil resides inside and at any age she will never change and doesn't deserve another chance.

ITA... and I don't think there is a simple Psychiatric "diagnosis" for somebody like Casey, I honestly don't. IMO If she is ever given a "name" for what's wrong with her I suspect it will be a list of personality disorders longer than my arm.

 

[cyberborg]

The prosecutors don't have to state a reason for not pursuing the DP. It sounds to me like this guy is patting himself on the back for a success that may or may not have anything to do with him.

At the end of the day the odds of a young pretty mother getting executed in a case with no body are just not on the DAs side. They don't want to pursue and not get it, it makes them look ineffective. And DP cases are very expensive for the state to put on.

They are not acknowledging or accepting any of the arguements made by her attorney to keep her off death row. Whether it influenced their decision, it is too early to tell.

ITA!! :clap:

 

[cyberborg]

Also when it comes to trust, Casey is asking that someone beside LE check out the sightings of Caylee. Or any tips. (ie the woman at the airport).
What is it with her, if she's innocent and someone did take her child, she would want LE to dig into every possible lead. If a live Caylee is found, she's off the hook. Instead she's insisting on having someone with no experience (she suggested Lee do it) follow up on leads or evidence. Casey, Casey, Casey, you're showing your guilt when you make such stupid requests. You want law enforcement officials to stay as far away from solving your daughter's disappearance as possible. Duh!
jmo

That's because LE keeps on debunking her lies so they must be the Dark side and she needs only those who buy into her fantasy.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Agreed. It depends where they were in their "cycle" to begin with.

Ohh, having ones child kidnapped or having murdered ones own child would kind of knock ones "cycle" out of whack.

 

[LCoastMom]

Why is it being assumed that her child being kidnapped or murdering her child would trigger a mania? In my experience when you make huge mistakes and screw up majorly, it triggers a depression.

We are messed up, make some poor choices while manic, we can be pretty impulsive and confusing. We have lots of issues. But we do love people.. we have a conscience, we feel guilt, shame and sadness... We have souls! Once our mania's pass we are our true selves again and often many of us cannot stand to even look at ourselves because of what we have done while manic. For MANY people suffering with Bipolar disorder, something this horrible could get to the extent that the person could very likely become suicidal.

If the state could put you on the stand, the defense would pack up their list of disorders and try again. You've pretty much described everyone I've ever known at one time or another in our lives. And I don't know a single person who has murdered/lost a child.

This completely discounts KC having gone thru a manic episode (unless she is still full blown), she repeats time and again she has done nothing wrong.

 

[Pink Panther]

tonight when NG showed that clip of GA in his infinite wisdom giving the hand analogy (boy these people talk about family more than the Corleones) and then he said 2 fingers are missing, and KC said "I'm still here....." didnt that ring any alarm bells for C&G?

OMG. That part just floored me. I couldn't believe he asked for the phone to say THAT. Forgive me all...But it made me realize just how dumb GA really is!

I finally mustered up the courage to watch these tapes and I now understand why she (the silly twerp KC) actually thinks and does manage to "snow" her parents. She's smarter than they are! And that's not saying much.

MOO

 

[OneLostGrl]

IIRC there was a hairdresser that claimed to have seen Caylee with bruises on her when she came in with KC to get her hair done.

Why are they so interested in that, I wonder?

 

[cyberborg]

I don't think bi-polar will play into the defense at all. I think they will challenge the forensics and try to create reasonable doubt that Caylee is even deceased. I think its a dumb idea, but that's what I think JB is going to try for.

:rocker::dance::applause:

 

[OneLostGrl]

If the state could put you on the stand, the defense would pack up their list of disorders and try again. You've pretty much described everyone I've ever known at one time or another in our lives. And I don't know a single person who has murdered/lost a child.

This completely discounts KC having gone thru a manic episode (unless she is still full blown), she repeats time and again she has done nothing wrong.

Look at how Cindy and George are with her, ya know? Covering up and lying for and about her about ecverything in her life! She probably thought she'd get away with this too like everything else in her life.

 

[LCoastMom]

Why are they so interested in that, I wonder?

It's covered in the first docs, RM states he saw Caylee bump her face on the table and KC took the picture herself. Maybe because it's the only time she's ever seen with a bruise, but honestly any parents on the jury knows kids get bumps and bruises. I don't think LE is pushing this one.

 

[LCoastMom]

Look at how Cindy and George are with her, ya know? Covering up and lying for and about her about ecverything in her life! She probably thought she'd get away with this too like everything else in her life.

well there you go, that's delusional!!