Nancy Grace program tonight 8 PM EST- 6 PM Mountain time DNA has been contaminated

  • #21
aspidistra said:
Yes of course the fingernail evidence was contaminated by the dirty clippers. They botched that. BUT the underwear dna is in perfect, enhanced condition. It was discovered long after the initial autopsy and taking the clippings in a sloppy way. So making a news story about OLD NEWS is just pretty lame. It irritates me to go on about the fingernails and try to brush the other dna under the rug, even though it is the other dna that is key. But Nancy Grace is just irritating in the way she puts out her stories anyway. Although she does have some interesting guests.

This was on ABC News yesterday. I posted it on the daily news update thread. It is not about old news... This report said that the ME had used the same instrument on JBR that had been used on the previous victim, thus compromising the DNA samples. They suggested that there could be NO DNA tests now.
 
  • #22
I have to wonder if this contaminated DNA has come up now so that people won't throw tomatoes at the DA's office.
 
  • #23
mahmoo said:
Lin Wood said on Larry King earlier this week that LE has "good" DNA................I believe him until proven otherwise.

I heard the same thing, so it is unbelievable that we are having these conflicting reports.

The DA and a number of officials close to the case have said the DNA was the 600 pound gorilla and will make or break the case.

A former investigator for BPD also said the DNA in undergarments was reliable.

I don’t know what to make out of these latest reports.
 
  • #24
angelwngs said:
This was on ABC News yesterday. I posted it on the daily news update thread. It is not about old news... This report said that the ME had used the same instrument on JBR that had been used on the previous victim, thus compromising the DNA samples. They suggested that there could be NO DNA tests now.


I thought it was the same set of nail clippers had been used on both of JBR's hands, instead of one clipper per hand. Not that a clipper from a previous autopsy was used on JBR's nails...... :confused:
 
  • #25
in his book said the fingernail DNA was contaminated because the fingernail clippers that were used for Jonbenet´s autopsy were used for other autopsies performed earlier.

The foreign DNA found on JB´s panties mixed with her blood is degraded. The investigators were not able to obtain a complete DNA strand of foreign DNA. But they were able to get 8-10 markers that can be compared to a complete strand of Karr´s DNA to see if he can be eliminated. The investigators can exclude Karr with what they have if Karr´s DNA markers don´t match up with the degraded DNA´s markers. What they can´t do is say for sure that Karr´s DNA matches because they don´t have a complete DNA strand to compare to Karr´s.

But one of the talking heads said earlier that new methods in DNA testing had been developed in 2003 and could possibly be used on the degraded DNA to enhance it to the point where all DNA markers could be printed out. If that´s the case then the Jonbenet Ramsey murder case would hinge on DNA analysis.
 
  • #26
I am getting to where I do not believe anything Nancy says anymore...She sure seems to get her facts "wrong" at times when she is babbling on about things...I cannot count the times I have seen her do this on both shows.

I love that she admitted that she got her "facts" wrong about something that happened on the death of her fiancee...Just goes to prove maybe when you are in the midst on an emotional crisis you might not always see or remember things clearly...IE...John and Patsy Ramsey...That is why everyone regardless of money or social status she be innocent until proven GUILTY in a court of LAW...Once again just my humble opinion.;)
 
  • #27
:laugh:

Details said:
Of course, they could be talking about Karr's DNA - I do believe that is degraded - as any pedophile's is! And whether he did this or not, he sure is a pedophile - just ask either of his ex's.

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Love it!
 
  • #28
sassy_texasbelle2 said:
I am getting to where I do not believe anything Nancy says anymore...She sure seems to get her facts "wrong" at times when she is babbling on about things...I cannot count the times I have seen her do this on both shows.
She just did it again! Got the name of Bill McReynolds confused with another suspect. She needs a fact checker.
 
  • #29
Some guy on Nancy Grace (didn't catch his name) said the buzz around Boulder was they do not have the goods on this guy. Said he might be charged with giving a false police report.

Question: Since Michael Tracey was the one who led them to Karr, and Karr didn't go straight to the Boulder PD, how can Karr be charged with a filing a false police report?
 
  • #30
He was arrested for the murder of a 12 year old and cleared. And at that time they never tied him to the JBR case, but they found the child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 on his computer.


Need more facts about this case, they only mentioned it briefly.
 
  • #31
lighthouselover said:
Some guy on Nancy Grace (didn't catch his name) said the buzz around Boulder was they do not have the goods on this guy. Said he might be charged with giving a false police report.

Question: Since Michael Tracey was the one who led them to Karr, and Karr didn't go straight to the Boulder PD, how can Karr be charged with a filing a false police report?
He might be charged with giving a false police report??? Unreal. Just keep him in CA. I sure hope they don't bring him all the way to Boulder to charge him with giving a false police report.
 
  • #32
Henry Lee said early on that this would "not be a DNA case". A lot of people pooh-poohed that comment.

This JMK fiasco is more and more looking like a publicity stunt.
 
  • #33
This whole thing is a fiasco and I am ashamed of the state of media coverage in this county. They report on anything and everything without checking on accuracy. This approach has a direct effect on our justice system (this case is a perfect example) and is reflected in other areas such as politics. Nobody ever seems to learn a lesson from past mistakes -- and I mean the media as well as us the audience. It is a huge embarassment.
 
  • #34
aspidistra said:
He was arrested for the murder of a 12 year old and cleared. And at that time they never tied him to the JBR case, but they found the child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 on his computer.


Need more facts about this case, they only mentioned it briefly.

The report I read said he was investigated, not arrested for it.
 
  • #35
Now she's having an expert showing why he didn't write the ransom note. Talking about how the E is not the same. Of course it's not, I made fancy e's like that when I was in high school too, it's not my normal style either. So did my mother - so did my father - and didn't ever do it again after they grew up - it's not the issue here - it's the normal part of the printing in that sample, and they are ignoring that. Nancy points it out, the teardrop 'd' and the woman doesn't care.

I think we will see this kind of arguing about every single detail of the evidence from here to kingdom come and it is going to be bitter, and stubborn. People see what they want to see!!! Isn't it true? How about if we all drop all preconceptions?
 
  • #36
I’m listening to CNN on XM and LKL is on not NG.

In a way I’m glad I missed it if it’s something I don’t want to hear.

If it’s up to the media this will go on forever.
 
  • #37
aspidistra said:
He was arrested for the murder of a 12 year old and cleared. And at that time they never tied him to the JBR case, but they found the child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 on his computer.


Need more facts about this case, they only mentioned it briefly.

Hi, aspidistra, was the city Santa Rosa mentioned in relation to this murder of a twelve year old? I'm asking because I heard a blurb on the news a couple of days ago about JK and another murder, but didn't hear another mention of it on any other news casts.
 
  • #38
Helena U said:
Here's an article in the Daily Camera which covers the contamination:

http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/county_news/article/0,1713,BDC_2423_4937937,00.html

DNA may lead to dead endBy Vanessa Miller, Camera Staff Writer
August 23, 2006

DNA swiped from John Mark Karr after his arrest last week in connection with the JonBenet Ramsey murder might be irrelevant, in part because "something got screwed up" when samples were taken from the crime scene in 1996, a former investigator on the case said. Bill Wise, former first assistant with the Boulder County District Attorney's Office, said that although DNA "absolutely could be one of the biggest things in the case," it could also be nothing.


Some of the DNA taken from the 6-year-old pageant queen's fingernails and underwear was "degraded," Wise said. He said the tool used to take samples wasn't clean.

"It had foreign DNA on it," he said.

The other "minuscule" sample, which is probably blood, was mixed with JonBenet's DNA, he said. That leaves investigators with the daunting task of trying to match a partial DNA strand with a sample from John Karr.

"The amount of DNA is small enough that it could exclude someone. But it could not go so far for the inclusion," Wise said.

Partial strands might narrow possible matches down to one person in every 100,000, he said.
FBI Profiler, Pat Brown told Fox News over the weekend that they've had that partial DNA profile since the crime first happened.
 
  • #39
WhiteWolf said:
Hi, aspidistra, was the city Santa Rosa mentioned in relation to this murder of a twelve year old? I'm asking because I heard a blurb on the news a couple of days ago about JK and another murder, but didn't hear another mention of it on any other news casts.
I read a news article on the Internet over the weekend that said he had been in trouble with the law in several CA counties in the past for child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 and assorted accusations involving crimes against children. they named the counties, but for the life of me I cannot now find that article.

I don't remember reading anything about a child murder in CA he was quesitoned about, though.
 
  • #40
aspidistra said:
Now she's having an expert showing why he didn't write the ransom note. Talking about how the E is not the same. Of course it's not, I made fancy e's like that when I was in high school too, it's not my normal style either. So did my mother - so did my father - and didn't ever do it again after they grew up - it's not the issue here - it's the normal part of the printing in that sample, and they are ignoring that. Nancy points it out, the teardrop 'd' and the woman doesn't care.

I think we will see this kind of arguing about every single detail of the evidence from here to kingdom come and it is going to be bitter, and stubborn. People see what they want to see!!! Isn't it true? How about if we all drop all preconceptions?
The handwriting hoop-la bores me to tears for the reason you cite. What does it prove to pour over this loop and that tweak'd apostrophe? A: nothing unless you're trying to nod off to sleep. ugh!

I think they should have a special handwriting expert tv channel dedicated to 24/7 in-depth minutia.

What are people made of that can listen to that stuff? It's so meaningless.

UNLESS -> there's some evidence TO GO WITH IT. Lots of other evidence. Even then. whew!

My Mother gave me some notes I wrote in high school. *I* didn't recognize it. But a jury should in a crime case? Please -

I'll bet jurors couldn't recognize their own handwriting if an expert got on the stand and showed it to them, telling them it was someone else's. I'd bet a LARGE amount of money the error rate in that would be high. Handwriting analysis is definitely not science and the experts are quick to tell people that whenever they've been on tv news over the days since this yokel confessed.
 

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