NANCY GRACE - Tuesday, 12/16/08

[mommya]

If I can please post this again.They said the skull had long light hair?caylee's hair appears to be a little darker.

That's been bugging me too.

I would not describe Caylee's hair as being light.

Didn't they say that the hair found in the trunk could be consistent with Caylee's or Casey's hair (except for the death band) - which implies that both of them have the same color hair - and I definitely would not say Casey has light hair - dark - or brown - but no way light.

I remember Casey mentioning how Caylee would have identifying marks - even if someone had changed her hair (other posters have noticed this as well) - so it will be interesting to see if maybe Caylee's hair was altered - and when that was done.

 

[panthera]

A number of people have asked about this. I think they mean light brown, as opposed to dark brown. If it was blonde, they would have said that, if it black, they would have said that. I think they were trying NOT to be specific and used the term light rather than light brown. Just my opinion of course.

Also in the video from 6/15 her hair looked lighter than some other photos, maybe from the sunshine or using the swimming pool, like happens with a lot of people during the summer. MOO

 

[leophoenix]

Does LP not understand what the term 'skeletal remains' means? He thinks they can retrieve a piece of the 'lung'

That man needs to shut the you know what up and go away. When did he become a forensic expert??? He's a freaking bounty hunter.

Yeah I'm glad he searched, I applaud him that regardless of what he intended to do with it later. He needs to stay off here picking up old theories. Many of them are almost word for word what has been said here at one time. He needs to continue reading here to be updated on his theories at least.

It's time for old Uncle LP to go back to what he was doing before this case became an ocean liner. He has had nothing to offer for many months.

As far as NG, please stop coddling Gorge and Sin-D whatever grieving to be done is long over with. They lie almost as bad as their daughter. They aren't in denial or grief stricken they have been in protect mode for K-SEE with Caylee be damned for a very long time.

 

[McSev]

If Caylee were my niece and I didn't have anything to do with her death or disposal I sure wouldn't hesitate to help LE in any way possible. I sure don't think it would be an invasion of my rights or whatnot. MOO

I agree with you completely.

I go back to the first jailhouse call that Casey made and his tone and what he said to her, as well as his recorded interview with authorities - he did mean for Casey to prove what she was saying to be true, and when he tried to do it for her, he failed. That's why this appears so odd. I'm caught between a rock and hard place on this guy: on one hand, between his parents and his sister, he has been affected for life. On the other, he's followed the family media line, even though his statement to police contradicts what he says publicly in that vein.

 

[beckaroozie]

LP said that if they can retrieve a piece of the "Lung" they can use that to determine the chloroform content & that chloroform is the official cause of death

Lord Have Mercy - this man is NOW a forensic expert. LP needs to shut up, IMO. I liked him at first, but he's beginning to wear on my nerves with this convuluted theories that he throws out there as fact. Didn't the SA say today they were taking 3" of bone for toxicology today?

 

[McSev]

That's been bugging me too.

I would not describe Caylee's hair as being light.

Didn't they say that the hair found in the trunk could be consistent with Caylee's or Casey's hair (except for the death band) - which implies that both of them have the same color hair - and I definitely would not say Casey has light hair - dark - or brown - but no way light.

I remember Casey mentioning how Caylee would have identifying marks - even if someone had changed her hair (other posters have noticed this as well) - so it will be interesting to see if maybe Caylee's hair was altered - and when that was done.

Just an fyi...

Hair does lighten (dull) at death significantly, and the less there is of it, the lighter it looks.

 

[fabvab]

If I can please post this again.They said the skull had long light hair?caylee's hair appears to be a little darker.

Someone...somewhere...on here...or on tv...said that dark hair lightens or turns gray ...whereas blonde hair turns darker...IIRC

 

[Themis]

A number of people have asked about this. I think they mean light brown, as opposed to dark brown. If it was blonde, they would have said that, if it black, they would have said that. I think they were trying NOT to be specific and used the term light rather than light brown. Just my opinion of course.

Remember, when LEO or forensic professionals are describing hair color, the range includes all hair types and colors from all human people. Among all the human hair types, Caylee's would appear to be "light." Many human hair types are much darker than a caucasian brunette's hair.

 

[maur33]

I'm not defending Casey whatsoever, but I'd think if Caylee was that fearful of her she would've screamed or cried every time she left her grandparents to be alone with Casey. MOO

I imagine casey told her that if she ever told grandma, grandma would be mad at her. These people play with their children's emotions and they instill a fear in them that somehow if they tell they will also be trouble. She was a baby, 2 and half years old, momma has alot of sway with their children. That's why most people never tell anyone about the abuse they suffered as a child until they are adults because they are afraid of and also want the mother's love. It is not unusual in fact if is quite ordinary and par for the course for children not to tell on their parent's.

 

[beckaroozie]

I am worried about the report that Casey has been taken off suicide watch, or whatever. Today and tonight is not the time to do this, the way I see it.

I saw your chart earlier housemouse and thought about that when I read this.

 

[McSev]

Remember, when LEO or forensic professionals are describing hair color, the range includes all hair types and colors from all human people. Among all the human hair types, Caylee's would appear to be "light." Many human hair types are much darker than a caucasian brunette's hair.

Hi Themis Thank you for explaining that better than me!

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Remember, when LEO or forensic professionals are describing hair color, the range includes all hair types and colors from all human people. Among all the human hair types, Caylee's would appear to be "light." Many human hair types are much darker than a caucasian brunette's hair.

Ok,Thankyou that makes sense or if she had been in the sun light.

 

[beckaroozie]

The sheets were washed weekly per the grandmother so I don't see how looking for hair on them would help now:bang:

I think they need to confiscate the washing machine - maybe it would be a TREASURE TROVE of evidence, since CA has been working it overtime. She's gonna need a new washer after this is all over.

 

[panthera]

I imagine casey told her that if she ever told grandma, grandma would be mad at her. These people play with their children's emotions and they instill a fear in them that somehow if they tell they will also be trouble. She was a baby, 2 and half years old, momma has alot of sway with their children. That's why most people never tell anyone about the abuse they suffered as a child until they are adults because they are afraid of and also want the mother's love. It is not unusual in fact if is quite ordinary and par for the course for children not to tell on their parent's.

You're right and I was just thinking of what she'd instinctively want to do, not thinking that she'd be threatened if she did scream or cry.

 

[biggirl]

Wasn't it LA that told his parents not to take the lie detector tests?? It seems as though he has a history now for evasive behaviour.

If there is nothing to hide then why no lie detector test and why make LE get a supeona for fingerprints? That is so suspect to me.

 

[beckaroozie]

I thought she called Cindy Cece? It fits.

She did call Cindy CeCe and Grammy....Nan I think was her great grandma (Cindy's Mom). She was singing the song to GGM and GGP. LP has to make an issue over even the tiniest detail and weave it into his 'theories'.

 

[Absolutely Addicted]

I thought Caylee called Cindy 'CeCe' (phonetically SeeSee)? I noticed on the helpfindcaylee.com site it says that Caylee called Cindy 'Nannie'. Now it's 'Nan' or 'Nana'.

I'm so confused... I could swear Cindy has always said that Caylee called her 'CeCe' and George 'JoJo'.

Maybe she should go back to CeCe to avoid being confused with Zanny the Nannie!

 

[passionflower]

Perhaps that's why Cindy said she has continued to launder Caylee's bedsheets all this time.

I could swear that during the Greta interview, when Cindy was showing Caylee's room to her, that she said one of the cadaver dogs hit on the post of the bed. I went back and searched for it several times and couldn't find it anywhere.

I do remember ca saying she washed the bedding weekly.......thought that was odd.......but don't remember the dog in the house

 

[McSev]

Wasn't it LA that told his parents not to take the lie detector tests?? It seems as though he has a history now for evasive behaviour.

If there is nothing to hide then why no lie detector test and why make LE get a supeona for fingerprints? That is so suspect to me.

Well, I agree with you on one, but not the other. I am not a "fan" of the lie detector: they are not as reliable as one would lead you to believe and someone would have to subpeona me to take one. I have a soapbox I carry about lie detectors, and IMO, they are as subjective as the person who interprets them - I believe they're overrated.

About the fingerprints and DNA (both were subpeona'd) those I do agree with you that it's strange.

 

[DotsEyes]

Cayle's hair looks a little reddish to me. I think it is identified as "light colored" as opposed to "dark", meaning black.

CA is washing the sheets every week so the newly replaced one will be as faded and soft as the other one that is missing? LP said pillow cases and sheet were found and that LE collected matching cases and sheet(s) were taken from the house.

As far as a piece of lung tissue is concerned, who knows. Some may still be stuck to a vertebra or rib bone. Remember Lacy? Who would have thought that her body would protect Conner until they were discovered? There was almost nothing left of Lacy save some bone yet her uterus was still there and had just expelled Connor.

There was still tissue on her head, stuck to the duct tape.

LP said that the neighborhood kids used this area to bury pets, like birds, etc. and the examiners are finding all sorts of little skeletal remains.

I saw them tugging the big plants away, roots and all.

Examiners are digging down a foot into the earth in an area about one acre is size. They are digging down to investigate animal burrows for remains.

Yep, LA would not give DNA or prints without a warrant. Maybe he simply refuses to make it easier for LE to put his sister away for life.

The A's want a re-do on the interviews with LE and promise not to lie this time if LE will agree to not charge them with obstruction or worse. A "do-over"!? What world do they live in anyway? And they are still sticking with the 'Nanny did it' story.

I don't believe them.

Baez was shut down in court, he has to wait his turn for the autopsy and photos.