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We still don't even know if this was a forced entry situation. Do we not know that because it wasn't a forced entry, or no sign of a break in?
We do not. The front security door seemed intact and we have not really heard the details of the "forced entry". I would be very interested in that.

We did see a suspect walking up to an old lady's front door late at night brandishing what looked to be a firearm and masked. I believe he positioned his gun (which was not visible in earlier frames) front and center as an intimidation and coercion factor.

I don't care how "sharp as a tack" this 84 year old lady who lived alone was, people panic and blunder when woken suddenly at night and thrown into a fearful situation. It would not shock me to find she opened the door. (bang bang bang. "hey lady, quick I need your help" "what? what is it? wait? hold on", opens door sees masked man in gun, complies" Not my PERSEC but even my own parents don't follow my security advice and get startled and make poor decisions.
 
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I'd hate to live in the Tucson area--and look anything like the suspected POI and be scooped up LE.

How many more leads that potentially look like the POI that are called in are going to have their doors broken down (the Rio Rico guy did)

I'm sorry but this is just crazy the way this case is being handled.

I'm not hopeful this SO is capable of bringing Nancy home safely, unfortunately.


Purchase of face shaving supplies in Arizona just went up by 5000%
 
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Besides the house a few days ago & last night, have other search warrants been issued? For example, was Annie’s home searched with a warrant or just searched with permission? (Not implying, I just don’t know the answer to this) I’ve decided to go back to my original thoughts.(and most likely MANY peoples’s original thoughts).
IMO, She was taken by someone whom she knows or by someone hired by someone she knows. She isn’t far. Her medicine is with her & this blew up bigger than expected & now they are stuck. I’m sticking with this.They say the majority of crime happens because of money, sex, or drugs. I’ve eliminated 2 of those in this case. This was intended to be easy peasy, get the $ and run, not kill her etc. and now they don’t know what to do. I wish the media & circus of people would just go home. It might give the captors the breathing room to let her go.
 
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I heard on a podcast last night that journalist are already trying to position themselves to take over Savanna's Today host position.
Likely only temporarily, not permanently
 
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"DNA other than Nancy Guthrie’s and those in close contact to her has been collected from the property," the Pima County Sheriff's Department said on Friday in a statement to PEOPLE. "Investigators are working to identify who it belongs to. We are not disclosing where that DNA was located."
 
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Nobody with a fully functioning brain is going to open their door at 2 a.m. period. MOO but come on
I wouldn't even open the door if I heard screaming. I would offer to call someone, or call out that the police were on the way, or fire from the window if it seemed to be a life or death situation, but no way am I opening that door.

My husband travelled for most of our marriage, so there were many, many nights where it was just me and our daughter. Someone may break in, but I'm definitely not letting them in.
 
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A parade of sheriff’s and FBI vehicles, including forensics vehicles, passed through the roadblock that was set up about two miles from the house.

The two agencies tagged and towed a Range Rover SUV from a Culver’s restaurant parking lot

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The Range Rover seized from a Culver’s parking lot in Tucson, Arizona

The restaurant is just over two miles from Nancy Guthrie’s home. This took place at the same time the sheriff’s office closed the road just north of the Guthrie home.

The Pima County Sheriff’s Department said the activity was part of the Guthrie case.
 
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We still don't even know if this was a forced entry situation. Do we not know that because it wasn't a forced entry, or no sign of a break in?
The sheriff won’t confirm either way
 
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I had never seen anyone carry that way until this case and I thought it made the wearer look very ignorant of firearms. I did some research on carrying in that position and was fairly amused. Apparently that method, as well as stuffed in your belt are common with gangsters. Some people suggested only women would carry that way - because they wouldn't be worried about damaging....er, you know. Mexican carry is in the waist, no holster.

If he was not wearing a belt he used the button to to hook the holster to it?
 
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It really did seem like they had something last night. That was A LOT of vehicles.

I’ll give credit to the people that were careful and reserved about the updates. I really did think they had them.

That being said, the Range Rover was still taped up by the FBI and towed away from the scene. Perhaps that could be something and they’re still in the process of testing.
 
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I wouldn't even open the door if I heard screaming. I would offer to call someone, or call out that the police were on the way, or fire from the window if it seemed to be a life or death situation, but no way am I opening that door.

My husband travelled for most of our marriage, so there were many, many nights where it was just me and our daughter. Someone may break in, but I'm definitely not letting them in.
I wouldn't even open the door for a baby. I'm very leery in general but I guess not all are.
 
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A new pool cleaning company sounds reasonable.

LE haven't ruled anyone out and if they're keeping track of the contractors who regularly visit NGs home. Probably best those people stay away until investigation concludes.
I agree re: it being reasonable.

I just think it's interesting and something to make note of for possibile future developments.

Looking at her landscaping, I'm guessing she didn't need weekly maintenance. We had weekly maintenance in California, but in Arizona we've always had either monthly or every other month maintenance. For the pool it was always weekly and as I mentioned, the same person for years and then his son.

Other regular maintenance items would be pest control which we have done more regularly in Arizona then we did in California. HVAC just twice a year. For us, we saw the pool guy and the weekly landscapers more than anyone else (in CA).

I would be hard pressed to think that NG was doing her own pool maintenance prior to her disappearance.
 
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I heard on a podcast last night that journalist are already trying to position themselves to take over Savanna's Today host position.
I know personally, Victims of violent crimes often take years (if ever) returning to their occupations and “before” routines. I can only surmise, SG is having many feelings of her celebrity. You are not responsible SG.
 
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The holster is cheap, easily distinguished and only available at a limited number of retail stores, according to an active-duty Miami-area police officer who shared his analysis with Fox News Digital in the hope it can help investigators find whoever is responsible for the abduction of Nancy Guthrie.

The Fbi teamed up with Google in the groundbreaking recovery of Guthrie’s Nest doorbell camera video last week. It is not publicly known where the device itself is, and she didn’t have a subscription that would have stored it in the cloud. But investigators were able to recover video showing a masked and gloved man on Guthrie’s porch, where law enforcement later found drops of her blood


12 days since Nancy Guthrie, the 84-year-old mother of Todayshow host Savannah Guthrie, disappeared from her home near Tucson, Arizona. Footage from a doorbell camera near Nancy Guthrie’s front door showing a masked man with a gun only deepened the mystery about what happened to her, where she is, and what investigators are doing to find her.

I asked Danny Coulson, who launched the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s (FBI) Hostage Rescue Team, to evaluate the investigation, explain what is going on behind the scenes, and interpret the scant details that have emerged so far.
 
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Keep the faith. They have unaccounted for DNA from NG’s house they are processing, and I absolutely believe all the activity last night has gotten them much closer. The reward money is enough to get someone to inform if LE can devise a way to make the informant feel safe from retribution of any kind.

Truly, keep the faith. There will be answers, and soon. There are plenty of positive indicators of that.

Amateur opinion and speculation only
 
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What is the motive for removing an 84 year old lady from her home ? Is it financial or is it something else entirely? Because atm I don't see any perp gaining financially from her disappearance
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The New Yorker piece I posted earlier today outlined it this way:

“Leising [retired FBI agent] described five reasons someone might commit a kidnapping:

financial gain,

ideology,

domestic discord,

exploitation (for example, sex trafficking),

and

“delusion,” or mental illness.”

Then, the article’s author added, “One could not help wondering whether Savannah Guthrie’s prominence […] was a factor.”
 
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Do you think it could be people "playing" cartel in an effort to try and gets funds?


Ok, . Getting into this. I worked in NYC for years. A friend of my who left the force during the DeBlasio admin started a landscaping business in a cushy part of Long Island with estates and McMansions. It is no secret that there are crime affiliations and gangs based on ethnic commonality/nationalities. It is not just a cliche that many landscape hires are Spanish speaking. My friend told me "you'd be surprised how many of these guys I hired have connections, a cousin and friend a neighbor. Whatever, I have to be real careful hiring these dudes, bringing them around these houses." We had a huge problem with MS13 in the tri-state suburbs, and most people in those communities are very innocent good hardworking people, but you have to understand they navigate and live in close proximity to that element. From what I understand from colleagues many border towns share this same dynamic. So associates, wannabes, a crazy cousin trying to front as a gangbanger. I can see that sphere of influence here. There's a gray area with the street life as it were.

But it can always be something totally random. Some cases fit the pattern some are way left field.
 

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