Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[HoveringWombats]

If we're going to continue to beat the dead horse of how long the garage was open, I think we should at lest keep referring back to the actual words the sheriff used in the press conference:

And we we we know that because we have a garage door open at approximately I can't stress that enough, at approximately 9:48 p.m. At 9:50 p.m., that garage door closes, which is that time, we assume that NY's home and probably going to bed.

BBM, source is at about 6:55 in this video:

So, the sheriff is going out of his way to emphasize "approximately." And we also can see that the times are rounded to the minute, so even if we take those timestamps as gospel, IMO it could have been closer to 3 minutes than two. We don't have enough information to know.

JMO, this debate over the garage door long ago started generating more heat than light, but if we're gonna do it, we should use the full context.

 

[DancingMuse]

I wonder at what point outside reporters like BE will leave the area if this thing is still unsolved a month or two from now. Surely there will be other cases. It’s really sad. The sheriff saying that this may not be solved for years was disheartening.

Tbgo,
Agreeing with you.

Reminds me (w/respect to the large # of unknowns) of the double homicide (R & S Dermond) in Putnam County Georgia.

Never solved.

And that case wasn't a "debacle" like this one.

(MOO)

Cold case: GA - GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #10

(edited to add link from websleuths)

 

[SMK777]

It's really unbelievable that, with all the DNA and other technology of today (phones, cameras, etc), this hasn't been solved.

Either the perp did an extremely good job with leaving no DNA or tech traces or was extremely lucky. All it takes is one inadvertent mistake or getting caught on a random gas station camera or doorbell camera and the case can be blown wide open. Yet, nothing. We have video staring straight into the perp's eyes and still can't find him. Crazy.

It's baffling, to be honest. To pull this off with all kinds of advanced technology surveillance working against you, and involving the FBI and a famous person.

 

[MistyWaters]

While DA's can decline to file charges or prosecute someone, I thought only LE can actually clear someone as a suspect or POI.

Police would commonly say they follow the evidence toward wherever and whoever it goes. The opposite is tunnel vision, eying one person and only seeking evidence that fits, often resulting in charges being dropped or worse, wrongful convictions. An open investigation is why police ask for leads and tips, but after investigating the lead often it can turn out to be nothing, a dead end. So goes it.

Therefore a person would not become a suspect or POI if there was no evidence pointing in their direction but the way I see it is police can’t be expected to announce that every person not investigated is cleared. Their mandate is to seek evidence to identify a possible culprit which they hope will prove guilt in a court of law and yes, the decision to file charges is made by the prosecutor. Hope that makes sense.
JMO

 

[diggndeeperstill]

A quick recap of the info about 11th January. No new info here but looking at this one thing shows how messy the public communication is for this case.

First, something unofficial: on 13th February (early morning, meaning she's talking about 12th February), Ashleigh Banfield posted a video in which she said this:



She goes on to describe the later request for footage from the whole month. The quote begins at 38m32s. This link should start at the right place.

There was also an alert on the Neighbors app requesting footage from that date. People assumed that it came from the Pima Country SD but someone quickly told Nicolas Bogel-Burroughs (New York Times) that the request wasn’t from them but from a neighbour. Link to his post on X. I'm guessing that the neighbour posted that alert after being asked about footage from 11th January, starting at 9 pm.

PCSD later told people to look for the blue checkmark on the Neighbors app to verify that alerts claiming to be from them were genuine. Link here to their post on X.

PCSD did later request footage, but it was for the whole month of January (starting 1st Jan) and up to the date Nancy was found missing. Link here.

I'm not as negative about the sheriff as some people here but I do think the department's public communication is poor. No one should take the sheriff's words literally when he speaks publicly, even about searches and suspects.

I also think investigators are interested in footage from Sunday, 11th January – they've just gone about their communication in a messy way.

Thanks for summarizing that further. I now agree with you.

 

[Skigh]

Mother with adult son living with her fits the stereotype of a marginalized. socially awkward, male who would have a delusional, loving, relationship with SG and would stalk her to satisfy his yearning to consummate or at least satisfy his yearning. THIS PERP IS A STALKER. I have said this here for 2 weeks. He can't have SG. He wants her attention. He goes to the mother's house and maybe is looking for something personal left there in her mom's house. He then takes NG to get SG's attention. He probably works very little, watches SG daily, believes everything she says on TV is actually a coded message of love to him. He may actually have told someone along the line that he has a special relationship with SG. Look for an unmarried male with low self esteem, few friends , no significant female, long standing, dating history. THIS IS YOUR PERP. Celebrity stalker that has targeted SG as his partner. MOO

I don't think this was committed by just one person. I am not sure a solitary, social misfit could have organised other people to work with him.

 

[Data Sleuth]

It's really unbelievable that, with all the DNA and other technology of today (phones, cameras, etc), this hasn't been solved.

Either the perp did an extremely good job with leaving no DNA or tech traces or was extremely lucky. All it takes is one inadvertent mistake or getting caught on a random gas station camera or doorbell camera and the case can be blown wide open. Yet, nothing. We have video staring straight into the perp's eyes and still can't find him. Crazy.

Patience please, this isn’t a 60 minute police show on television. Please refer to the Idaho 4 murders: Rhoden/Wagner case, Alex Murdaugh etc., these real life situations are difficult to solve. And not to forget Joesph James Angelo (AKA “ The Golfen State Killer”) it took 38 years to arrest him!

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

I saw the first part b4 the interview. Brian doesn’t really highlight the Range Rover taken into custody for closer forensic examination in his recap—that surprised me because that RR is a huge clue.

The Rio Rico car stopped earlier w/a driver associated with the house also searched WAS NOT kept by police—it was released (like the guy was) fairly quickly. Those of us following the case know that car was not impounded—not citing a source.

BUT both cars are fairly similar—gray/silver SUVs w/black rims
This is Rio Rico car—smaller than Range Rover but w/black rims
So if they were searching for a car seen on a video or reported by someone on the tip line both cars COULD need ruling out as evidence.
The fact that the RR was check at the car stop and then taken into custody vs the Rio Rico car given back to the driver is big difference.
There had to be someone found IN THAT RR—in my opinion—that required extra scrutiny to either confirm it as involved in NG disappearance or to clear it as involved.
That RR and its ownership history IMO is a telling opportunity to advance this case…

If the RR was involved NG's abduction, seems like the owner would want to sell it ASAP. If so, selling it in Phoenix and getting the car out of town would have been smarter. JMO

 

[cady]

I agree, and I think the opposite could also be true as well. There’s plenty of sons that could also intimidated and or coerced by their mothers.

Could be, but eek! VERY EERIE! Would explain why NG was specifically targeted, though. JMO

 

[thefragile7393]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023074474204209327

I wish he had chosen a diff lab but...here we are.

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023078791862800654

 

[diggndeeperstill]

I wish he had chosen a diff lab but...here we are.

Do we know a different lab would be faster?

 

[thefragile7393]

Patience please, this isn’t a 60 minute police show on television. Please refer to the Idaho 4 murders: Rhoden/Wagner case, Alex Murdaugh etc., these real life situations are difficult to solve. And not to forget Joesph James Angelo (AKA “ The Golfen State Killer”) it took 38 years to arrest him!

38 years isn't exactly hope inducing IMO.

 

[thefragile7393]

Do we know a different lab would be faster?

FBI lab potentially. There's rumors I won't repeat about it, but IMO possibly.

 

[milkshakedonkey]

Does anyone have information about whether dogs were used in the traffic stop, Range Rover situation? Wondering if something was scented that led LE to impound vs release.

 

[Bluewing3102]

Patience please, this isn’t a 60 minute police show on television. Please refer to the Idaho 4 murders: Rhoden/Wagner case, Alex Murdaugh etc., these real life situations are difficult to solve. And not to forget Joesph James Angelo (AKA “ The Golfen State Killer”) it took 38 years to arrest him!

I understand the frustration as I have it too. LE believe this was a kidnapping. You don't have weeks, months or years to find an elderly woman in need of medication- alive. If the Sheriff came out and said "this is now a homicide investigation", i'm sure the public would be more patient. IMO

 

[TBYOOL]

Agreed. It may have happened – we don't know. He may have left using the front door. LE will know if they have internal footage, depending on storage, but we don't.

If we're going to continue to beat the dead horse of how long the garage was open, I think we should refer back to the actual words the sheriff used in the press conference:


BBM, source is at about 6:55 in this video:

So, the sheriff is going out of his way to emphasize "approximately." And we also can see that the times are rounded to the minute, so even if we take those timestamps as gospel, IMO it could have been closer to 3 minutes than two. We don't have enough information to know.

JMO, this debate over the garage door long ago started generating more heat than light, but if we're gonna do it, we should use the full context.

After years of lurking, this is my first post. And it was going to be the post above! I agree completely. What’s more, and I don’t usually like over-parsing words, but the use of “approximately” as referenced in the above post and news story for entry at 9:48 is followed by what appears to be a more definitive 9:50. Regardless, even if only entry was approximate, it opens up a window of time beyond two minutes. MOO

 

[EncyclopediaBrownJr]

If this is what happened, isn't it foolish of this guy to alert the door bell camera that he was on the premises while he is still trying to gain entry?

A detective was on tv the other day and he said sometimes we can’t apply logic to the things criminals do.

This whole crime defies logic.

 

[milkshakedonkey]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023078791862800654

Surprised they wouldn’t run preliminary results and then also the final results just to get a potential head start on investigation.

 

[SMK777]

I understand the frustration as I have it too. LE believe this was a kidnapping. You don't have weeks, months or years to find an elderly woman in need of medication- alive. If the Sheriff came out and said "this is now a homicide investigation", i'm sure the public would be more patient. IMO

Yes, he should have put it that way.
No abductors are going to take care of an elderly woman for years.