Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[maskedwoman]

A federal warrant confirms federal jurisdiction of a case and subsequent federal administration/facilitation of that case in which the warrant was issued. The Sheriff himself offered that the warrant was regarding the Guthrie kidnapping case.

If federal jurisdiction is asserted and confirmed, as it was here with a federal warrant, then by definition it supersedes any state agency's authority on the same or similar matter. A statement or media declaration isn't necessary to defend my assertion - any high school civics book will do.

Does that mean they aren't working together in much the same fashion? No. It just means they've switched roles, and that state and local authorities are now supporting federal authorities on the evolving nature of this case. If a federal judge issued a warrant and they were looking for Nancy Guthrie, her kidnappers, or signs of her within the execution of that warrant, then federal kidnapping laws have now been deemed germane, have now been applied, and have now assumed jurisdiction in this case.

Can the case go back to a state case? Sure, if the feds ultimately determine that the kidnapping doesn't contain the requisite elements that makes it a federal crime. But as of now they clearly do believe that it does and they have compelling evidence of such, as the federal judge who signed the federal warrant confirmed.

Further, the Sheriff's overnight scheduled press conference being snuffed "at the request of the FBI" pretty much as soon as it was announced is another strong indicator of who is now leading this investigation.

JMO.

According to this, when assisting local police, the FBI still gets their own federal warrants to make sure what they do passes the 44th amendment test and meets federal court standards.

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[VegasGirl35]

I know we can debate the garage door until the end of time, but both the SO and FBI believe Nancy made it home and was abducted from inside her home. If they thought the scene was staged or had evidence SIL/AG were lying they probably would've been taken into custody by now.

If we factor in all the elements that would have to go perfectly right for AG/SIL to pull this off, they'd have to: murder Nancy, sanitize the crime scene, stage a return home, stage a crime scene at Nancy's, hide the body, create a fake intruder and convincingly lie their way through multiple police interviews. That is a lot of activity for two middle-aged people with no criminal background. It just doesn't seem plausible. MOO.

 

[Cassata11]

the more time goes by, I'm thinking this was a random home invasion/murder by a sole actor and not related to SG. i think that's the reason it's been so hard to crack the case despite basically unlimited resources.

I think there are so many facets that could be, the simplest answer might be true. I have a feeling all the ransom emails sent to TMZ were fake. And after the first day, the sheriff called the scene a crime scene. I don't think it ever was a kidnapping. Now the deeper you delve into politics, and rabbit holes, one can think a million scenarios.

 

[RedHaus]

The Sheriff is chatty. He gets himself into trouble when he is not concise, and his own opinion gets mixed into the facts of the case. He says there will be no updates, and then gets back out there on camera talking about the case. I take everything he says with less than a grain of salt.

My own thoughts on what happened keep changing, and there is not much information out there for anyone to draw a conclusion. I think there was more than one bad person at Nancy’s house, and I don’t believe the purpose was kidnaping for ransom. I think something may have gone wrong, and Nancy was removed from her home because the bad peoples’ intent did not go according to plan. I think there may have been a pivot, and everything went to sh*t after that.

Yes, IMO, there are two profiles LE may have:

1. A delusional stalker of SG's took the life of NG to get SG's attention they deeply crave, as opined by OPs here. By taking NG's body and disposing it in the desert or mountains, NG's anguish is in their control. They prolong that as long as possible for pleasure. The ransom escapades get them NG's direct attention, again, for pleasure.

2. Perp(s) who invaded NG's home as theives, unexpectedly end up with a deceased 84 year old woman. If she was on anti-coagulents or blood thinners as her bruised and bandaged arm suggest, NG could have bled out internally from injuries sustained during a struggle (i.e. aspirated blood on the front porch). In their warped, small, sociopathic mind(s) they took NG's body to dispose of it in the desert or mountains. And then they got the idea to ask for ransom for an easy cash (or bitcoin) windfall. But with no proof of life, there is no payout.

Just my morning speculation. IMO.

ET: fix typo and format

 

[SaraSmile]

And sharp as tack people don’t say “Hey, is that drugs?!” if they happen to see a trunk filled with drug bricks open in the middle of the day.

I surely hope I’m wrong, just brainstorming why she is gone.

 

[SaraSmile]

So FBI agents essentially littered by throwing used gloves on the ground while searching? Is that what Sheriff Nanos is implying?

Hard to believe, but I guessed that also.
Jmo

 

[slowpoke]

I believe from pictures in the media that Nancys car was in the garage (until at least the following Thursday). I believe posters identified NGs car as a Suburu. IIRC NGs car was placed to the right of the garage as you look at it. I’ll be back with links and pics.

Nancy Guthrie's home swept again as authorities investigate new message

A potential ransom note sent to TMZ reportedly contained information suggesting Nancy Guthrie may no longer be in Tucson, Arizona. The investigation into Guthrie’s disappearance is in its sixth day as the FBI is offering a $50,000 reward for information.

www.foxnews.com

Here’s a screenshot from a video on BE’s X account where you can see where the door to enter her house is through the garage.

 

[Cassie P]

I don't think this was committed by just one person. I am not sure a solitary, social misfit could have organised other people to work with him.

Even a social misfit talking about a $6 million ransom might get some attention and interest.

 

[joe jones]

The gloves found approximately 2 miles from the Guthrie residence in a field near the side of the road were packaged up by PCOS and sent overnight on 2/12 and they arrived at their private lab in Florida on 2/13. The FBI received preliminary results yesterday on 2/14 and are awaiting quality control and official confirmation today before putting unknown male profile into CoDIS, the national database unique to the bureau. This process typically takes 24 hours from when the bureau receives DNA. Investigators collected approximately 16 gloves in various areas near the house. Most of them were searchers’s gloves that they discarded in various areas when they searched the vicinity. The one with the DNA profile recovered is different and appears to match the gloves of the subject in the surveillance video. The FBI has and will continue to provide assistance on whatever timeline is provided to us.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023080846148989142

Pretty reckless for a "searcher" to discard a glove, for crying out loud! JMO

plus littering

 

[Trino]

the more time goes by, I'm thinking this was a random home invasion/murder by a sole actor and not related to SG. i think that's the reason it's been so hard to crack the case despite basically unlimited resources.

Lots of outside-the-box theories. May as well think about this one. I do question how many people in the community knew NG was related to SG. I also wonder if NG knew persons that neither AG nor SG knew about. My husband and I are older, and our sons don't know all our friends/acquaintances, despite living very close. They are wrapped up in their lives and raising our grandkids.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

I believe from pictures in the media that Nancys car was in the garage (until at least the following Thursday). I believe posters identified NGs car as a Suburu. IIRC NGs car was placed to the right of the garage as you look at it. I’ll be back with links and pics.

Nancy Guthrie's home swept again as authorities investigate new message

A potential ransom note sent to TMZ reportedly contained information suggesting Nancy Guthrie may no longer be in Tucson, Arizona. The investigation into Guthrie’s disappearance is in its sixth day as the FBI is offering a $50,000 reward for information.

www.foxnews.com

Since LE took NG's car, I imagine they are just making sure they are thorough in this investigation. That being said, is there anything in particular that you all think they might be looking for in NG's car? We've heard nothing about her car being involved in the crime. While LE impounding NG's care might be just LE covering all of their bases, it could also suggest that they are investigating if NG's car was involved in this crime. JMO

 

[moonglow123]

Cautiously optimistic. Hopefully this leads to the perp, or they can see if it connects to one of the individuals from Friday.

 

[maskedwoman]

Could be kidnapping with intent to murder and not a ransom intent. The ransom letters could be part of a plan to make it look like a classic kidnap for ransom when the intent was something entirely different.

You’re right, if it’s a kidnap for ransom, meds are being taken. Proof of life would have been provided.

If it’s a burglary gone wrong and it’s a stranger, the perpetrators runs off.

If it’s a burglary where the perp is known to Nancy and he realizes she can identify him, he’s taking her out then and there. He’s not taking her with him.

I just think if this guy was working or living with people or had friends, You’d think he’d abruptly leave after following the news and that would lead to somebody calling in with a tip.

There’s still no be on the lookout for this vehicle like in the kohberger case. This guy is/was nearby. IMO.

This case is driving me crazy. Every motive I follow to its typical conclusion goes off the rails at the end. I agree with all of your conclusions about why none of these fit, except the first one (apologies).

I just can't get my brain around kidnapping someone with the intent to murder them. Why would someone haul her off to murder her, and possibly get caught with her in the car, instead of kill her and walk away? You want someone dead, they're dead, job done.

Maybe the issue is that there are some elements to this crime that aren't public yet? Don't ask me what they might be, because I run right into a wall there, too. Like I said, it's making me crazy.

 

[submarine7]

You believe LE has already solved this and is just parading about town? If that’s the case the abduction of NG is much bigger than any of us can imagine. IMO, I’ve felt this wasn’t “amateurish” from the 1st day the video of the suspect was released. I’ve kinda felt it was orchestrated to appear that way though. I also think that the Sheriff’s dept initial thought was that NG wandered off and they didn’t shift to an abduction sooner. In doing so I’m left to think LE didn’t handle the scene and evidence appropriately. That doormat left with the lantana still laying on it bothers me to no end. I’ve always felt this involved more than 1 suspect and I’ve leaned towards at least 3 with 2 of them at NG’s that night. I’m now feeling this involves more than 3. So far FBI has detained and released 5 individuals, when this is solved it will be very interesting if ANY of those released had a connection. I have to believe for NG’s sake and for the Guthrie family that the FBI will apprehend the persons involved.

I believe we will find that at least two of the detained people are connected. I don't know why everybody keeps laughing at the guy on the porch and referring to him as a bumbling rookie but he's evaded arrest so far.

 

[Trino]

Yes, IMO, there are two profiles LE may be working with:

1. A delusional stalker of SG's took the life of NG to get SG's attention they deeply crave, as opined by OPs here. By taking NG's body that disposing it in the desert or mountains, NG's anguish is in their control. They prolong that as long as possible for pleasure. The ransom escapades get them NG's direct attention.

2. Perp(s) who invaded NG's home as theives, unexpectedly end up with a deceased 84 year old woman. If she was on anti-coagulents or blood thinners as her bruised and bandaged arm suggest, NG could have bled out internally from injuries sustained during a struggle (i.e. aspirated blood on the front porch). In their warped, small, sociopathic mind(s) they took NG's body to dispose of it in the desert or mountains. And then they got the idea to ask for ransom for an easy cash (or bitcoin) windfall. But with no proof of life, there is no payout.

Just my morning speculation. IMO.

Agree. Need to find a body. Day 15.

 

[HoffaUnderground]

Good questions. Did they walk her to her front door or stay in the car watching her enter her home? I read that she had mobility issues, so I’m thinking she may have been walking with someone. Was someone hiding inside? Or outside out of sight, then ringing the doorbell? Very sad situation.

This is what i have been thinking. Maybe the person in the video was inside when she returned home. A robbery interrupted kinda of thing.

 

[Tate123]

So FBI agents essentially littered by throwing their own used gloves on the ground near a crime scene while searching? Is that what Sheriff Nanos is implying?

"Investigators collected approximately 16 gloves in various areas near the house. Most of them were searchers’s gloves that they discarded in various areas when they searched the vicinity."

dbm

 

[rosiebean]

So FBI agents essentially littered by throwing their own used gloves on the ground while searching? Is that what Sheriff Nanos is implying?

"Investigators collected approximately 16 gloves in various areas near the house. Most of them were searchers’s gloves that they discarded in various areas when they searched the vicinity."

It wasn’t FBI agents who searched at first:

A timeline of the disappearance of and search for Nancy Guthrie

Five days into the desperate search for 84-year-old Guthrie, the mother of “Today” show host Savannah Guthrie, investigators on Thursday released a detailed timeline.

www.pbs.org

And it’s not unheard of, in searches for missing people, for trash (gloves, water bottles) to be left behind by those searching.

 

[Kapua]

Nancy Guthrie latest: Savannah Guthrie says ‘we still believe’ as search for missing mom continues

Nancy Guthrie went missing two weeks ago after being kidnapped from her home in Tucson, Arizona. Authorities have yet to publicly name any suspects or persons of interest.

www.foxnews.com

"An FBI spokesperson told Fox New Digital on Sunday that a glove with a DNA profile recovered in the Nancy Guthrie case is different from other gloves that have been found and appears to match the gloves of the subject seen in the surveillance video."

 

[SaraSmile]

Yes, IMO, there are two profiles LE may be working with:

1. A delusional stalker of SG's took the life of NG to get SG's attention they deeply crave, as opined by OPs here. By taking NG's body that disposing it in the desert or mountains, NG's anguish is in their control. They prolong that as long as possible for pleasure. The ransom escapades get them NG's direct attention.

2. Perp(s) who invaded NG's home as theives, unexpectedly end up with a deceased 84 year old woman. If she was on anti-coagulents or blood thinners as her bruised and bandaged arm suggest, NG could have bled out internally from injuries sustained during a struggle (i.e. aspirated blood on the front porch). In their warped, small, sociopathic mind(s) they took NG's body to dispose of it in the desert or mountains. And then they got the idea to ask for ransom for an easy cash (or bitcoin) windfall. But with no proof of life, there is no payout.

Just my morning speculation. IMO.

I like your ideas, I’m leaning more towards #2, local bad actors, except the ransom still seems off( opportunists), and maybe took more sophistication than these thugs could pull off. ( setting up Bitcoin address, letters, TMZ, KORN etc). I agree a bunch of low level criminals. Locals.

JMO