AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[RayVon]

A couple of things that I do not believe have been addressed in the case.
1. The temperature in Tucson at about 2 AM on the night this occurred was 54-55 degrees. Why is the offender dressed in such heavy clothing?

2. He took the time to observe the doorbell camera, then got some brush to obscure it. Why not just smash it?

Link to Weather Underground historical weather page.

Davis-Monthan AFB, AZ Weather History | Weather Underground

I have another question. Is there x-ray technology available to use on photos to reveal underneath the layers that this person is wearing?

 

[steff13]

From the article:
During one lull in the story on Feb. 16, ***** spent time speculating about a business card that he had seen that was left on Nancy Guthrie’s front door. The card was from a case manager for Arizona’s Adult Protective Services division.

***** speculated that there might have been an open case of elder abuse.

There was not.

A Republic reporter saw the card on Feb. 3 while taking photographs at the front door. A reporter called the phone number listed. An agent said the card was left after Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance, not before.

It was left so Nancy Guthrie, an older adult who lived alone, could contact the agency if she needed services once she returned home safe.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2026/02/17/media-circus-nancy-guthrie-coverage/88683133007/

My question though was what prompted a neighbor to call adult protective Services. I'm not asking why they attended I'm just wondering what made the neighbor call when the police were already involved.

 

[1.618]

A couple of things that I do not believe have been addressed in the case.
1. The temperature in Tucson at about 2 AM on the night this occurred was 54-55 degrees. Why is the offender dressed in such heavy clothing?

2. He took the time to observe the doorbell camera, then got some brush to obscure it. Why not just smash it?

Link to Weather Underground historical weather page.

Davis-Monthan AFB, AZ Weather History | Weather Underground

1. I would imagine they are dressed like that to keep all traceable DNA sources inside their clothing/coverings (i.e. hair, etc). I feel like this would also be the reason to potentially wear a cap (like latex, silicone, nylon) under the balacava and have gloves seemingly tucked into sleeves.
2. Smashing the camera probably would have made more noise.

 

[SMK777]

Per early reporting, the scene was alarming enough for the Sheriff to call in a homicide team. IMO, there has been very little mention of this fact, since.

Per KVIA:

On Sunday afternoon, Nanos received a text describing the state of Guthrie’s home that put him on edge.

“They described to me a scene that just disturbed me,” the sheriff told CNN.

Though Nanos declined to share the contents of the message, he said they were concerning enough to call in the homicide team, as well as search and rescue, he said. “Something didn’t sound right to me.”

Thanks for reminding us of this. It's very important information about what disturbing evidence of a homicide may have been at the crime scene inside the house [that media and the public have not been made aware of].

 

[turaj]

I'm a mandated reporter because of my job, so I've called APS and CPS in the past for various reasons. I wouldn't think that a layperson would call APS in this situation; it's really not an APS situation. I believe that most people's understanding is that protective services are for abuse or neglect.

Maybe the call is unrelated to NG being missing; in my state it generally takes a couple of days for protective services to come out. Maybe the neighbor saw the bruising on NG's arm and thought she was being abused?

That. card is odd. I would think LE. could make a simple call to the person that called the agency and find out the details. Also the person dispatched knows why. I can't imagine calling because a neighbor has bruising on arms. They are many reasons for that.

 

[Skigh]

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Hopefully they treated the inside of her house with much more care than they did the outside. I literally saw with my own eyes a reporter walking up to the blood stains because it was not taped off. Why in the world it wasn't taped off I don't know. Just letting people walk up on the scene right where the perp was! and not only that there is recorded evidence of this happening, so yes a defense attorney will love that. It's not someone saying "someone walked up here" - it is on video.

It's always better to be safe than sorry when such a serious crime is being investigated. So, let's hope the inside of her house was treated more professionally. It's hard for people to have confidence when they see how the outside of the home was treated.
JMO

I really don't understand why a tent was not immediately put up to protect all possible evidence from the porch area.
The whole plot should have been taped off until FBI had investigated it .

 

[acutename]

I think it’s very telling that the RR that was seized in Fridays raid is still in possession.

If anyone would like to hear that brief discussion here is a link to Brian E. From last night. Them speaking about the raid Starts around 27:00 min mark.

I have wondered if the RR is on video somewhere- if not in the neighborhood,leaving or entering it.

 

[SMK777]

I have wondered if the RR is on video somewhere- if not in the neighborhood,leaving or entering it.

That's a good point -- a real possibility.

 

[Former Reporter]

I think it's weird too. APS showing up at the request of LE or AG is one thing, but a neighbor calling feels like an overstep, especially considering police were already involved.

If a neighbor hadn't seen NG in awhile and was worried about her, she/he might have called to err on the side of caution. My elderly grandfather lived alone after my grandmother died and wasn't in the best of health and this happened at least twice with him. JMO

 

[moonglow123]

I'm a mandated reporter because of my job, so I've called APS and CPS in the past for various reasons. I wouldn't think that a layperson would call APS in this situation; it's really not an APS situation. I believe that most people's understanding is that protective services are for abuse or neglect.

Maybe the call is unrelated to NG being missing; in my state it generally takes a couple of days for protective services to come out. Maybe the neighbor saw the bruising on NG's arm and thought she was being abused?

It's strange for sure.

Could a neighbor have assumed it was a case of her wandering off, before many details emerged? They may not have been aware that Nancy didn't have any cognitive issues if they weren't super close with her. Or they may have assumed she could've suddenly developed a UTI or something along those lines, which can cause confusion or cognitive issues.

Maybe like a "Oh, I think my neighbor may have wandered off, I'm assuming she'll be found safe, but once she is can you check with her and her family and make sure she's healthy and okay to live alone?"

 

[Peppery]

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From the article:
During one lull in the story on Feb. 16, ***** spent time speculating about a business card that he had seen that was left on Nancy Guthrie’s front door. The card was from a case manager for Arizona’s Adult Protective Services division.

***** speculated that there might have been an open case of elder abuse.

There was not.

RSBM

I’m not sure we would know if there had already been an APS case opened on Nancy.

 

[raja]

I have another question. Is there x-ray technology available to use on photos to reveal underneath the layers that this person is wearing?

You would think they might. They use lidar.. ?spelling .. to strip away vegetation to see what lays beneath.

 

[loves2readhistory]

My question though was what prompted a neighbor to call adult protective Services. I'm not asking why they attended I'm just wondering what made the neighbor call when the police were already involved.

Who said a neighbor called APS—NG was in the news—some district manager thought we can be proactive and show our agency is thinking ahead for a senior going through a harrowing situation. They self-generated the call based on the news stories—
They had no way of knowing how long the investigation might take. Maybe they thought it was a dementia person wandering in the night initially.

OK—I saw the post where the Sheriff said it was a neighbor who called APS—sorry…

 

[Skagirl]

DBM

 

[Former Reporter]

Yes but Gedmatch doesn't sell DNA kits, their data base consists of uploads from the major DNA sites. So on Gedmatch you indirectly get some of the other data bases. And you can see which data base the Gedmatch matches are from and then go there and do a search for those family trees. So there is a bit of work around.

That is an interesting question, would Ancestry lose their customer base if they open up to LE? I wonder how many consumers care? All they know is that they can get a DNA kit for $39 when Ancestry runs a sale. And the attached trees to the match list is superb, historical records and searches are fabulous.

But you could be right, it would spook the consumer base if LE is a major presence there. Especially these days.

But Ancestry still has to response do a warrant does it not? So LE can get into the data base if they want. I think CeCe Moore in a recent video was suggesting the Guthries beg Ancestry to let them in their data base?

Ancestry used to allow LE to use its data: Ancestry.com Just Changed the Rules — And Cold Cases Across America May Suffer but changed its rules last year. IGG and The Crippling Effects of Ancestry’s Legal Changes

 

[Millhouse]

Thanks for reminding us of this. It's very important information about what disturbing evidence of a homicide may have been at the crime scene inside the house [that media and the public have not been made aware of].

I find this statement from the local police- that a homicide team was called in right away- hard to reconcile with the fact that it didn't appear to be treated as a secure crime scene at the start of the investigation. I'm basing this based on visuals that were shared - no crime scene tape, investigators in and out, people walking up to her front door over blood droplets. Investigators seemingly didn't notice certain cameras on the outside of the home until later. And, there were news stories two days after she was reported missing that the house was now considered a crime scene, implying it wasn't at the start. This just doesn't make sense to me in context of a homicide team being called in right away.

I know we're not privy to all of the information and operations- I hope they secured the interior rooms better and collected as much information as they could- but the fact there may have been evidence concerning enough to call in a homicide team right away, feels out of sync with how we could see them handling NG's house.

All IMO.
One source, from two days after her disappearance, saying the hosue was now a crime scene:
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[cherryleaf]

Hopefully they treated the inside of her house with much more care than they did the outside. I literally saw with my own eyes a reporter walking up to the blood stains because it was not taped off. Why in the world it wasn't taped off I don't know. Just letting people walk up on the scene right where the perp was! and not only that there is recorded evidence of this happening, so yes a defense attorney will love that. It's not someone saying "someone walked up here" - it is on video.

It's always better to be safe than sorry when such a serious crime is being investigated. So, let's hope the inside of her house was treated more professionally. It's hard for people to have confidence when they see how the outside of the home was treated.
JMO

Yeah, idk. I’m only talking about the inside. It’s why I was saying I understood why you felt that way. Nanos himself said a while ago that he wished he would have preserved some parts of the crime scene longer.
It was taped off in the very beginning though so hopefully they got what they needed. The tent they set up a few days ago was to be LE/FBI attempting to recreate the scene of the perp at the door.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-breaking/2026/02/12/nancy-guthrie-house-white-tent/88647297007/

 

[flakesofsnow]

I would be curious to know the dimensions of all the doors in the house. Perhaps they could only fit her or her container or transportation method out of the front door. Also it’s so strange that he looks to his left when grabbing the plants. Also, they don’t just recover data from the back end. It’s simply saved where it’s not accessible to most folks because it’s obviously saved without consent.

 

[loves2readhistory]

the kidnapper theory (which I never thought it was) must surely have been discounted by LE now, there has been as far as we know zero contact with anybody asking for money except the man who says he knows who has NG but the kidnappers let him wander away asking only that he keeps his mouth shut, obviously not scared of them he contacts TMZ and says he will give up kidnappers for money, kidnappers appear unconcerned that man is selling them out and he is still able to send messages, you cannot make this stuff up

according to TMZ messenger the so called kidnappers went to all the time, money and effort to kidnap NG transport her secretly across the border but are not concerned that he knows who they are and is selling them out to TMZ,

with no arrests and seemingly no idea who did this it just goes to show to me how crimes committed by a stranger are incredibly difficult to solve

How do you think a kidnapper could get a ransom if s/he/they can’t provide proof of life?
SG basically came out.in one of her videos and said they would pay to get her mother’s body back—but I bet by now NG has been laid to rest in the desert outside Tucson (very sad but HIGHLY likely) and perps won’t release that info because it would provide more forensic evidence.

 

[moonglow123]

I think it’s very telling that the RR that was seized in Fridays raid is still in possession.

If anyone would like to hear that brief discussion here is a link to Brian E. From last night. Them speaking about the raid Starts around 27:00 min mark.

Thank you for sharing. Agree, the Range Rover still being in LE possession is very telling. Definitely feel as though they're working towards something or have an idea in mind of what may have happened...