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HEY LOOK AT THIS MESSAGE
guy looking down.webp
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Don’t know about you but in the FBI vs PCSD debate, I’m leaning toward local hard work and solid daily investigating. I don’t mean this in a political way. It’s about pressing priorities, decorum, maturity and experience. JMOO

NBC News - Patel at the Olympics
 
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Unlikely, but not totally out of the question. That would probably make Porch guy and inside person HIRED for the job. JMO
JMO/MOO

Porch guy has always looked like he was there on an assignment of sorts. Someone else mentioned this a while back and it is the description that fits the vibe I got as well.
 
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How is Nancy Guthrie’s case different from Bryan Kohberger’s investigation?


The biggest difference is they also had the bodies of these poor young people. They knew what happened to them. Same in the Delphi case. They had the bodies of the girls.

However, I’m sure there are similarities with the investigation tools they are using and maybe even consulting with experts from the Kohberger case.

I don’t believe this case is cold and we don’t know what we don’t know which is usually a lot. IMO
 
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True, but it is a bit unusual that a national media personality with a default bully pulpit and throngs of dedicated social media followers would essentially go silent at a time like this. I don't think that it is/was her inclination to do so (or her fault) by any means. Rather, I feel that it's more indicative of her outreach and messaging being managed. If so, the question then becomes: managed by whom and to what end?

A stalker/obsessed fan would be a solid theory for the infrequent and oft-ambiguous messaging, as would an authentic kidnapping/ransom demand. I can't think of any other potential scenarios for continued management.

JMO.
The weird off-putting parasocial intensity (with WS representing the very, very least of this) that has accumulated around this family's very personal tragedy makes their behavior very understandable, in my opinion. More importantly, it's none of my business.
 
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Don’t know about you but in the FBI vs PCSD debate, I’m leaning toward local hard work and solid daily investigating. I don’t mean this in a political way. It’s about pressing priorities, decorum, maturity and experience. JMOO

NBC News - Patel at the Olympics
That's a take. But here the local dynamics are a bit more specific and have nothing to do with the "decorum" of a figure head.

Are you familiar with the little experience the Pima County SD currently has after a recent mass exodus. More than half of its deputies are probationary (1st year) and the majority of it's Detectives are Det. 1s. It is a very green dept. in the rank and file.

And I am sure you are familiar with the elected Sheriff's controversies and his past investigation by the FBI who he has years ago publicly called out (since they cost him an election and nearly ended his career). That's the same agency he now has to work with and many past experienced Pima County cops have said he has an ego driven grudge and won't play nice with them based on this personal matter.
 
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Had wondered myself if it was the offspring (or other close relation) of a female service worker of some type, like health, beauty etc, speculation, imo.
We do not know NG but if she has had skirmishes with or angry words with maintenance, or health peeps, or salon workers I'd venture to say that she has told AG about it, and I'd venture to say that AG has clued in investigators about it. Lots of assumptions, but she was close with her children and saw AG often. jmo
 
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Hello. I am brand new, but I have been reading for a while.

Just an IMO here... Would it be better to encourage the public to get their DNA tested, rather than forming search parties? Wouldn't that help with the IGG?
I find this suggestion to be forward thinking. People just want to help. Not just locally, but from far and wide. Submitting samples to add to the growing DNA database for any current or future case or cold case would have far reaching benefits.
This reminds me of the pleas from, say, Am Red Cross in times of crisis for blood donations - both locally and nationally. It allows citizens to contribute indirectly but very effectively.
Great idea, @Bruxer !

Edit to add: I am referring to labs such as Othram that will accept donated specimens for database.
 
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The weird off-putting parasocial intensity (with WS representing the very, very least of this) that has accumulated around this family's very personal tragedy makes their behavior very understandable, in my opinion. More importantly, it's none of my business.

The family's reactions to this crime are not interesting to me at all in terms of assigning blame or 'ought have dones/should have dones'. They are only interesting to me when it comes to positing motives for the crime itself.

It is an atypical response for any family to not fully utilize the media that is available to them at a time like this. In fact, most families have to beg for any media coverage. It only follows then that SG likely wants very badly to utilize a platform in which she has attained expert knowledge and experience to help her locate her Mom.

This suggests to me that she is being managed/restrained/discouraged from doing it, which begs the question of why is that so?

JMO.
 
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I have had this very thought. I used to tell my family anything like that that happened to me: nasty cashier, difficult neighbor, etc. But as I've gotten older, I refrain from telling them every little thing because I don't want them to worry about me. Maybe NG felt the same way. We don't want to be treated like children, especially by our children.
 
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The family's reactions to this crime are not interesting to me at all in terms of assigning blame or 'ought have dones/should have dones'. They are only interesting to me when it comes to positing motives for the crime itself.

It is an atypical response for any family to not fully utilize the media that is available to them at a time like this. In fact, most families have to beg for any media coverage. It only follows then that SG likely wants very badly to utilize a platform in which she has attained expert knowledge and experience to help her locate her Mom.

This suggests she is being managed/restrained/discouraged from doing it, which begs the question of why is that so?

JMO.
I just think that SG is media savvy and is well aware of how words get twisted and analyzed and embellished. I don't think that she is being controlled by anyone but herself. She is also an attorney, and knows how to prosecute and with that in mind is remaining prudent. JMO She has publicly stated ONLY what she needs to.
 
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The family's reactions to this crime are not interesting to me at all in terms of assigning blame or 'ought have dones/should have dones'. They are only interesting to me when it comes to positing motives for the crime itself.

It is an atypical response for any family to not fully utilize the media that is available to them at a time like this. In fact, most families have to beg for any media coverage. It only follows then that SG likely wants very badly to utilize a platform, in which she has attained expert knowledge and experience, to help her locate her Mom.

This suggests to me that she is being managed/restrained/discouraged from doing it, which begs the question of why is that so?

JMO.
I do not believe there is a "typical" response. I am not assuming anything about how victims react or what they are thinking.
 
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according to Matt Finn on twitter Sheriffs office did not tell searchers they needed a permit, they do not issue permits for searching, they said they told them they would need permission to go on private property only, more wild rumor and speculation, (and off topic I do smile everytime autocorrect takes out my English extra u in words such as rumour

Article from Fox 10 in Phoenix sure makes it seem like the Sheriff is also discouraging any private search groups.

I don’t see any logical reason why LE hasn’t set up searches on any public land(s). While there may be no evidence that she isn’t alive, pursuing every possible scenario would include considering she may have been murdered and dumped by this point……just my opinion
 
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I find this suggestion to be forward thinking. People just want to help. Not just locally, but from far and wide. Submitting samples to add to the growing DNA database for any current or future case or cold case would have far reaching benefits.
This reminds me of the pleas from, say, Am Red Cross in times of crisis for blood donations - both locally and nationally. It allows citizens to contribute indirectly but very effectively.
Great idea, @Bruxer !

Edit to add: I am referring to labs such as Othram that will accept donated specimens for database.
Interesting positive outcome to consider in terms of the discourse on data privacy, IMO. My first reaction was to say no way, and then (while typing this!) I remembered participating in a medical research trial that could potentially someday benefit a family member. Good thought, and thanks for making me think.
 

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