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  • #39,501
I need to catch up, but these people dressed in suites don’t look like detectives. I’m not trying to stereotype or be disrespectful, but thoughts?
FBI
 
  • #39,502
2. Maybe they planned on taking NG to her bank atm to withdraw money, but she died in the vehicle. IMO, I think LE would have found her body by now.
I think this is a rationale consideration. Also perhaps someone was staying in her guest house (perhaps uninvited that she was not aware of - perhaps a worker or someone familiar with the property) and something occurred ...
 
  • #39,503
I also feel hopeful they are building a case against someone or more than one person. Would a qualifier be taking her across the border?

What two qualifiers are you referring to? Thanks.

Yes, or across state lines. Or involving interstate commerce. A ransom demand for Bitcoin would qualify as well, via commerce, IP use, and email if I recall correctly.

JMO.
 
  • #39,504
I saw this article shared on twitter. Happened in September 2025 in Catalina foothills. A nice home with cameras was burglarized by a group with one pretending be delivery.

Tucson has a problem!

💯 Good OL Tucson has a problem, the USA has a PROBLEM, Criminals appear to be getting away with murder. Tucson used to be a fantastic place to live but after THIS, not so sure! If someone like Nancy Guthrie can’t be found , with all of her family’s resources, we are ALL SCREWED! Just sayin’
 
  • #39,505
I also feel hopeful they are building a case against someone or more than one person. Would a qualifier be taking her across the border?

What two qualifiers are you referring to? Thanks.
Or the commission of a crime resulting in death.
 
  • #39,506
The reason I had pause about the ransom note being legit at first is because they asked for so much money.
I figured the delay could be explained away by giving them adequate time to get a good distance away.

I mean why 4 million? Then 6 million?
That is a ridiculous amount.

Which is why I thought the motive could be money for weapons of war by a terrorist organization.
Which is outrageous but so was the amount of ransom demanded.

And it's not like they are going to flat out state, "Hey give us 4 million for w.o.w and we will give Nancy back."
 
  • #39,507
I also feel hopeful they are building a case against someone or more than one person. Would a qualifier be taking her across the border?

What two qualifiers are you referring to? Thanks.
I would think that if it was deemed that a crime occurred in a specific area, it could be considered federal, i.e. a national park like in the Gabby Petito case.

JMO.
 
  • #39,508
I guess it's possible they got a confession and wanted to try to validate some things. I could see an announcement forthcoming about that, whereas I'm not sure why LE would tell the public they got a promising tip.
 
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  • #39,510
One last walk thru and review of the evidence before they pull off the case to focus on other cases?

Atleast that’s my take
Or because the family wants to have the home cleaned and put back in order after the invasion and all the mess from the crime scene investigation?
 
  • #39,511
I was watching a live stream in front of NG house when some activity started picking up on you tube earlier today and snatched a screen shot. I was kinda amazed at how well the white truck is obscured even In daylight from this direct angle. Anyone would miss this in pitch dark unless you were looking for something out of place. A vehicle with no lights would very easily be missed at night. Especially if only there for a a short while.
PLEASE LINK TO THE SOURCE OF THIS PHOTO
PLEASE
PLEASE
PLEASE
EVERYONE LINK TO YOUR SOURCES OK?
Love and kisses
The Link Fairy.
 
  • #39,512
Seems to me if SG said "taken from her bed" she must know that much, so there must be evidence of that. jmo
AG and TC also went to the house when NG didn't show up at her friend's house. So they saw the scene very clearly. The Sheriff probably has said more to the family than to us. Just a wild guess. Also, JMO
 
  • #39,513
Yes. And, knowing she’s working with LE, I wonder she why included that since Nanos tried to walk it back initially? MOO
That would make sense, because I don't believe she woke up and answered the door.
 
  • #39,514
You think? I’m thinking, from experience, an arrest will be announced soon and we all know how more media than what’s already there will be everywhere including gawkers. Soo I’m thinking there is a news conference coming soon! We can hope!
I hope you're right. Certainly is a possibilty.
 
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Kidnapping cases can turn federal just by this:
"If a victim is not released within 24 hours, there is a presumption they have been transported across state or international lines, allowing federal agencies to intervene."

When Does a Kidnapping Become a Federal Crime?

Also, I have a Paralegal degree. However, I have never worked in that field.
 
  • #39,517
Sounds like the crowd would have lynched him if they could or attempted to destroy his property. People are crazy. They really thought because he stole a calculator/watch 25 years ago, he abducted an 84 yr old woman?
Well, to be honest, he is a dead ringer for the video guy.
 
  • #39,518
PLEASE LINK TO THE SOURCE OF THIS PHOTO
PLEASE
PLEASE
PLEASE
EVERYONE LINK TO YOUR SOURCES OK?
Love and kisses
The Link Fairy.
So Sorry, I thought it did link. It’s a screen shot from this live stream

 
  • #39,519
White vans make sense also if from the Medical Examiner's office/County Coroner...
Agreed - they definitely use unmarked minivans - but I saw the majority of funeral homes also use them now. I think the traditional "hearses" are only used now for ceremonies (e.g. funerals) based on my observations here in Tucson.
 
  • #39,520
Seems to me if SG said "taken from her bed" she must know that much, so there must be evidence of that. jmo

I think they have evidence that she went to bed but I don't know if her blood was found in her bed. PCSD believes she went to bed. Nanos wonders if she got up to go to the restroom or got up to go to the refrigerator.
That makes me think her blood was found somewhere besides in her bed.
AB's source said the blood from inside matched the pattern of blood outside. Passive drops falling from a height.
 

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