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A online gambling site is taking bets on NGs kidnapper arrest date. Not a lot of humanity here.

"Over $188,000 has been staked on the outcome so far - almost double the $100,000 FBI reward being offered for information in the search for the elderly mother of Today show host Savannah Guthrie. "

This is the most sickening, horrible thing I've ever seen. 🤬
 
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It ends where the walkway stops at the driveway, the same place the dogs abruptly lost Nancy’s scent.
Just about where Nancy would be shoved in a vehicle that had pulled in the circular driveway after she was carried down the front steps. Right between the two black vehicles in the first photo you can see the junction of the path and the driveway. The second photo is a pullback of the front of the house/driveway.

ETA A lot of folks discussing this questioned whether it would have been better to take her into the garage where she would be out of site and load her into a vehicle there. My thoughts on this is that it would take longer because you have to pull in and back out, either to the right so you can then go out straight, or to the left which means backing all the way to the street or to the circular driveway. You would also risk the noise of the garage door opening and closing and a timestamp indicating when the garage door opened and closed. The end of the blood trail solidified this for me. As an afterthought, it seems the getaway vehicle may have entered the drive from the right, (as you face the house and opposite of the direction of the cars parked in the driveway in the photo), so the passenger side doors would be facing the front door. Blood trail ended right there as opposed out and around a waiting vehicle.
 

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I posted the same but from a MSM source. I understood it to be a RING camera a couple of streets over?? I hope those cars, especially at those time frames would be thoroughly investigated.

I get deja vu from the responding LE officers actually passing J Closs's kidnapper on the road from her house with her in the trunk, which was never investigated. :eek: Thank goodness her story had a happy ending with her returning home alive. Still hoping the same for Nancy.

moo
Didn't sleep following Jamie's kidnapping. She was 'held' in my former neighborhood. Such a horrendous story! Jamie was such an extremely brave girl and fortunate to have escaped and have a happy ending. My heart feels clenched every time I drive through her town. Am holding onto HOPE for Nancy...with prayers.
 
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Just about where Nancy would be shoved in a vehicle that had pulled in the circular driveway after she was carried down the front steps. Right between the two black vehicles in the first photo you can see the junction of the path and the driveway. The second photo is a pullback of the front of the house/driveway.
By two perps. jmo
 
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Like Delphi's Bridge Guy, I surely hope not. They had video of him as well, far less disguised than this offender for 5+ years.

imo
They had his voice as well.

That certainly would be a worst case scenario. Let's hope not.
 
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I get deja vu from the responding LE officers actually passing J Closs's kidnapper on the road from her house with her in the trunk, which was never investigated. :eek: Thank goodness her story had a happy ending with her returning home alive. Still hoping the same for Nancy.
Jayme Closs is the case that for some reason keeps popping into my head in relation to Nancy's. Not that I think it's necessarily a similar motivation, but just something about an amateur adopting wannabe "professional" tactics.
 
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Excellent work! Thank you for that. Yes, avoiding street cams/ other cams would be crucial IMO. I’d like to see a local driving that route and report back about any visible street cams or traffic light cams.

Shaking my head in relative disbelief about LE possibly discounting a more remote access/ egress route. If a local took NG, that would be an optional route, no doubt IMO.

Again, thank you ‘Cats Against Crime’ (you like cats..?)

Cheers,
Nin
Possibly quick burial sites, along the way, if she was indeed, deceased. jmo
 
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Idk, This entire ordeal is starting to give me Matthew D. Muller vibes, specifically that LE may be dealing with someone with a semi-similar life experience and/or professional background.
Idk, …it’s a head scratcher moo


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I've been thinking the same thing. A story so insane you could never imagine it.
 
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The 50-100 guy was probably just hoping to catch a picture of SG to sell to the tabloids.
 
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Everyone keeps commenting about how dark it was there with no street lights - like it’s the worse thing ever. This isn’t uncommon for a lot of homes in the US. I live in an outer area of Dallas, Texas. Very rural. No streetlights. Homes on acre lots with fields behind me and across the street. I love seeing all the planes and stars at night. Do I have cameras and a big dog? Yes. Have I always - no. Been here 18 years.
My point here I guess is that a lot of people live in dark areas with no streetlights and we live just fine. It’s not unusual for this lifestyle. JMO
It probably IS nice for families. Not so much for the elderly. Good lighting lreduces the risk of two major threats: criminal targeting and accidental falls. If you are elderly you need proper illumination of pathways, stairs, and entryways to prevent trips and falls.
 
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It probably IS nice for families. Not so much for the elderly. Good lighting lreduces the risk of two major threats: criminal targeting and accidental falls. If you are elderly you need proper illumination of pathways, stairs, and entryways to prevent trips and falls.
I’m “considered” a senior citizen. Most everyone on my road is older than me. We all have outside lights, motion lights and cameras. Just saying….to each their own. I do make sure I have my cell phone when I go out with my dog or whatever in case something happens and I don’t have to lay there forever. Lol. But I have no intention of moving until I retire to a beach!!
NG was comfortable in her own home - had been there since what the 70s or 80s?
Everything was fine with her - until it wasn’t. As it can be with any of us no matter where we live - either in the dark or under city street lights. JMO
 
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Just about where Nancy would be shoved in a vehicle that had pulled in the circular driveway after she was carried down the front steps. Right between the two black vehicles in the first photo you can see the junction of the path and the driveway. The second photo is a pullback of the front of the house/driveway.
It looks like it would have been so much easier to not even go near the front door. The blue door in the back-do you think that goes into the garage or accesses the house? Most people that I know with garages lock them but leave the door inside the garage unlocked into the house.

At least a two man job, with a car coming to the house at the end, maybe? Someone posited early on that the backpack contained supplies for a person to be staying outside for a while and hiking/walking in.
 
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How well traveled are Tucson's tunnels? Any locals know? Do bodies turn up in them. There's miles of them.
 
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I have been away a few days but heard Savannah was returning to New York. It got me to thinking. If this was about her, someone may come forward with info (or tip) once she is gone. That would be enough for her to pause her life and return to Arizona. In other words, create more chaos and ( possibly false) hope to hurt her mentally. This is so sad for her family and other families who never get this type of National coverage.
 
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It looks like it would have been so much easier to not even go near the front door. The blue door in the back-do you think that goes into the garage or accesses the house? Most people that I know with garages lock them but leave the door inside the garage unlocked into the house.
My husband always used to get on me for not locking the inside garage door, but the Guthrie case has scared me straight. Nancy's kidnapping has probably shaken up a lot of people. I know it's definitely made me more mindful about security.
 
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Idk, This entire ordeal is starting to give me Matthew D. Muller vibes, specifically that LE may be dealing with someone with a semi-similar life experience and/or professional background.
Idk, …it’s a head scratcher moo


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Could very well be someone even loosely connected with LE. Someone who went to law school with SG? Someone who thinks they were/are the smartest person in the room and deserves the prettiest anchor on TV? Someone who because circumstances did not propel him to the prominence he thinks he deserved in life thinks he can attain it by partnering with SG or possessing her and basking in her reflected glory? This perp is frustrated, somehow,. Sexually, professionally, academically. The perp is not a dummy. He's sick and delusional. JMO
 
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It looks like it would have been so much easier to not even go near the front door. The blue door in the back-do you think that goes into the garage or accesses the house? Most people that I know with garages lock them but leave the door inside the garage unlocked into the house.

At least a two man job, with a car coming to the house at the end, maybe? Someone posited early on that the backpack contained supplies for a person to be staying outside for a while and hiking/walking in.
Just guessing, Id say it goes into the garage and then there's another door from the garage to inside the home. jmo
 
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