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I had thought about the Sunday thing recently, though the days would be Saturday night into Sunday morning, no? I wonder if NG and family regularly had dinner together on a Saturday evening

I have wondered the same thing - and also wondered if she sometimes/usually stayed over at AG's house afterwards. If the perp was watching her, I wonder if her routine was different the night he broke in?
 
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Just some random thoughts
1- Not a burglary or home invasion. if robbery was your goal nuch less risky when no one is home and she was gone for 4 hours prior.so why not do it then.
2- So that leaves murder or kidnapping so if it was murder why take her out of the house.
3- So i am lead to believe botched up kidnapping no proof of life = no ransom. Get rid of body in desert.
4. Targeted burglary with unknown motive but resulting in unplanned death, burglary aborted, body removed, giving the appearance of a kidnapping
 
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Feb 28, 2026 rbbm
'TUCSON, Ariz. — ‘America’s Most Wanted’ co-host Callahan Walsh, who works closely on many missing persons cases, told Fox News Digital there’s “a lot that sticks out” in the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie.

He said that the fact that investigators haven’t found her yet makes it “very much a unique case.” He also stated that not many seniors go missing and that they usually wander off or get in the car and aren’t able to navigate back home.

“The way this investigation has ebbed and flowed, it’s gone from hot, to cold, to hot [and] back to cold again,” Walsh said. “Our hope is that Nancy is found alive [and] that she is brought home and reunited with her family.”

''Walsh said sifting through the tips can be a challenge, but they often tip the scales in a case.
“They’ve helped us recover nearly 1,200 fugitives, the worst of the worst… and it’s because of the public tips that have been provided,” Walsh said. “I always say, it’s like looking for a needle in a stack of needles.”
''He explained that it’s better to have more tips than to have no tips at all.
“As tiny as you might think it is, it might be that little bit of the puzzle that law enforcement has been looking for this whole time,” Walsh told Fox News Digital.''
 
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4. Targeted burglary with unknown motive but resulting in unplanned death, burglary aborted, body removed, giving the appearance of a kidnapping
Thanks for the addition!
 
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Just some random thoughts
1- Not a burglary or home invasion. if robbery was your goal much less risky when no one is home and she was gone for 4 hours prior.so why not do it then.
2- So that leaves murder or kidnapping so if it was murder why take her out of the house.
3- So i am lead to believe botched up kidnapping no proof of life = no ransom. Get rid of body in desert.

4. Targeted burglary with unknown motive but resulting in unplanned death, burglary aborted, body removed, giving the appearance of a kidnapping
I'm currently landing on 3 and 4. MOO
 
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“Not many seniors go missing,” Walsh said, noting that when they do, it typically involves wandering or disorientation — not abduction. The fact that investigators believe Nancy was forcibly taken from her Tucson home, and that nearly a month later she still hasn’t been found, makes this “very much a unique case,” he said.

“The way this investigation has ebbed and flowed, it’s gone from hot, to cold, to hot [and] back to cold again,” Walsh added. “Our hope is that Nancy is found alive, that she is brought home and reunited with her
 
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As the investigation into Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance continues with no suspect publicly identified and challenges with DNA evidence, experts may turn to digital forensics.

Authorities have said little about digital evidence in the case, but one leading expert has no doubt that whoever is responsible for the 84-year-old’s disappearance left a digital trail.

“People forget how much their data spreads across devices. So the same thing that makes investigations hard make it hard for criminals to clean up,” said Heather Barnhart, a digital forensics expert with the SANS Institute and Cellebrite...
 
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4. Targeted burglary with unknown motive but resulting in unplanned death, burglary aborted, body removed, giving the appearance of a kidnapping
If he left a body, robber would have been charged with murder. I think the body was left in the Sonoran before anyone knew she was missing. And, of course, there was no proof of life (not even jewelry) for a ransom, although it's quite possible the Bitcoin ransomer was not the robber.
 
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Just some random thoughts
1- Not a burglary or home invasion. if robbery was your goal much less risky when no one is home and she was gone for 4 hours prior.so why not do it then.
2- So that leaves murder or kidnapping so if it was murder why take her out of the house.
3- So i am lead to believe botched up kidnapping no proof of life = no ransom. Get rid of body in desert.
5.Targeted kidnaping. Ransom notes were authentic and added for drama but perp was never going to deliver her back. Proof of life wouldn't be given even if she was still alive. IMO, too much emphasis on the proof of life aspect. For a couple of reasons (she was already dead or he wanted to keep her there alive, or she was too roughed up to be returned). The ransom notes were a distraction to get whatever he wanted i.e. attention. SG being "wealthy" just doesn't do it for me. Not that wealthy, not that important, considering the reams of prominent, wealthy people who ALSO have elderly parents. NG was not kidnapped for the money, per se. JMO
 
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Just some random thoughts
1- Not a burglary or home invasion. if robbery was your goal much less risky when no one is home and she was gone for 4 hours prior.so why not do it then.
2- So that leaves murder or kidnapping so if it was murder why take her out of the house.
3- So i am lead to believe botched up kidnapping no proof of life = no ransom. Get rid of body in desert.
I'm seeing it that way more and more, yes.
 
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If he left a body, robber would have been charged with murder. I think the body was left in the Sonoran before anyone knew she was missing. And, of course, there was no proof of life (not even jewelry) for a ransom, although it's quite possible the Bitcoin ransomer was not the robber.
First degree murder. In AZ if someone dies even accidentally during the commission of a robbery, it is felony murder.
 
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I've posted this earlier in the thread. I don't believe he used the lantana to cover the camera. My evidence for this is that part of the plant was stuck in the mounting bracket on her door. He also looked around the ground before reaching for the lantana. It wasn't his first choice. I believe he used the stems of the lantana to shove into the release hole of the google nest camera to remove it from the bracket. By actively shoving the plant vertically into the camera to dismount it- it would have easily left broken off leaves in behind the bracket as we see in some of the photos from media.

JMO
I had thought specifically that he was trying to somehow attach the lantana so it would stay put. you could imagine him cramming a stem into a crack or trying to hook it on something.

but I admit the theory of him using it to push the release mechanism makes a lot of sense too.
 
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I do not put much weight on blood splatter analysis. It feels a little wonky to me as a way to determine how a blow was administered to a victim for example, and IMO is wayyyy over stated as a "science". JMO
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Bloodstain Pattern Analysis (BPA) is increasingly considered a subjective "junk science" rather than a rigorous forensic discipline, with studies revealing error rates over 11% and high levels of inconsistency among analysts. Often relying on subjective interpretation rather than validated scientific principles, BPA has been implicated in wrongful convictions. Study Reports Error Rates for Bloodstain Pattern Analysis
Thanks!
In this case, I believe, outside of the front door and to the car, I believe NG was carried, blood dropped straight down. Mostly not stepped in.
I wonder about inside, near her bed, where confrontation happened? When revealed, this may have spatter pattern.
JMO
 
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For example, does he work a job that requires to travel and reside in another city but he is regularly able to return to or spend Sunday back in Tucson? Does he work outside the city limits, like in a mountainous or desert area and usually spends all day there or camp there on work days or non-Sundays and Mondays? Does he have a kid or family and maintains a stricter schedule or pattern he doesn’t want to deviate, and thus draw attention from? Does he work on Saturdays? If hypothetically his ransom note implied he was going to return NG on Thursday or Monday after receiving what, if anything, could LE maybe infer about the regular patterns, work schedules or responsibilities of his everyday life or type of field he might work in?
Let's explore something. It has been posited many times here, that the perp may have used the fireman's carry to take NG out of the house. IMO FIREMEN would do that reflexively! Firemen work weird hours..24 on, 48 off. Some work 8 hour shifts, etc etc. Hospital workers also work odd shifts 12 hours on, 1-2 days off ..every other weekend off..etc..So there's that. MOO
 
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Thanks!
In this case, I believe, outside of the front door and to the car, I believe NG was carried, blood dropped straight down. Mostly not stepped in.
I wonder about inside, near her bed, where confrontation happened? When revealed, this may have spatter pattern.
JMO
bbm 100% JMO
 
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What about the possibility of a younger man who has been consistently lifting weights at the gym and maybe strained himself?

Just an idea I've been tossing around and MOO.
I went back to look at the footage after recent comments on lantana man’s gait and movement patterns, because I’m a former personal trainer who tends to pick up on those things but had never noticed anything unusual in the video.

What I see now is someone stepping in a way to avoid making noise. I don’t see an injury or compensating patterns—IMO—I see him lifting each foot in a way that just slightly increases the air time and reduces the number of steps needed. Hence someone’s comment upthread about spacewalking (my term)—if you wanted to make as little noise as possible, you’d walk like an astronaut, too. MOO

TMZ
 
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Let's explore something. It has been posited many times here, that the perp may have used the fireman's carry to take NG out of the house. IMO FIREMEN would do that reflexively! Firemen work weird hours..24 on, 48 off. Some work 8 hour shifts, etc etc. Hospital workers also work odd shifts 12 hours on, 1-2 days off ..every other weekend off..etc..So there's that. MOO

According to two family members the fireman's carry is no longer the preferred method in modern fire and EMS practice. My eyes glazed over when they explained the why of it though.

Weird/odd hours... pffft. In my household no one has ever worked a M-F 9-5 shift .

IMO
 
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