Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[SaraSmile]

One of the biggest reasons to NOT go out the front door is that there is a bigger chance of being seen by neighbors, security cameras act.
In my opinion using the back door to exit the house would allow the perpetrators(s) to use alternate routes of escape from the backyard.
As for blood on the front porch, the perpetrators could have dropped blood from a container that they brought with them (could have been animal blood). This tactic may have been used to confuse investigators during the initial phases of crime scene analysis.
Certainly LE could eventually figure out that it wasn’t NG’s blood but the time required to get back test results would give more time for the perpetrators to leave the Tucson area altogether.
Just my opinion.

Good idea, as a foil.
In this case, the blood was not there before crime( lantana man video), was there afterwards, and was tested confirmed to be NG’s. So blood was likely deposited during the crime.

great post

Great ideas. Re Sunday for planned crime day.
Going in and out of Tucson, camping on certain days, away from family or others.

Maybe came from Mexico( no shade just wondering), daily, back n forth for work, hard to track drivers license, different country. JMO, Google suggested 15,000-20,000 people cross at Nogales border crossing Daily for work in AZ! Hard to pin down with all those workers!

Maybe perp is from a nearby state, NM, Nevada, CA. In my opinion, huge number between these states, as well. But easier tracking, because it’s USA.

JMO

 

[korncrasy]

I wonder if someone other than AG & husband regularly drive that car

Maybe someone that changes everyone’s oil? Or pumps gas, a station in proximity they all use.

 

[you betcha]

So...just thinking outloud here. If this was an attempted burglary that had to be aborted because NG unexpectedly needed medical attention or, even worse, passed away...do you all think that the robber(s) even managed to steal anything? Was the "mission" even "worthwhile" for them?

I actually think it may have been a genuine kidnapping before everything went sideways for them.

It's such a strange case. I think I've muttered "this is so messed up..." (with varying levels of profanity) to myself more times than I can count, reading this thread. Poor lady.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

No one should be cleared in an investigation until someone is arrested. IMO, there was pressure to clear the family due to the media attention.

Agree. LE and FBI will keep both AG and NG's cars until they have made an arrest. The cars could be considered evidence in a trial and they don't want to make the mistake of releasing the cars prematurely.

JMO

 

[42wallabyhenway]

MOO I miss this thread being the only place where NG is discussed, now feel like I’m missing half of the updates. MOO, was just easier refreshing this one page and jumping to the most recent comment rather than bouncing around looking. But that’s just me

 

[NicoleInVa]

MOO I miss this thread being the only place where NG is discussed, now feel like I’m missing half of the updates. MOO, was just easier refreshing this one page and jumping to the most recent comment rather than bouncing around looking. But that’s just me

Ditto

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

One of the biggest reasons to NOT go out the front door is that there is a bigger chance of being seen by neighbors, security cameras act.
In my opinion using the back door to exit the house would allow the perpetrators(s) to use alternate routes of escape from the backyard.
As for blood on the front porch, the perpetrators could have dropped blood from a container that they brought with them (could have been animal blood). This tactic may have been used to confuse investigators during the initial phases of crime scene analysis.
Certainly LE could eventually figure out that it wasn’t NG’s blood but the time required to get back test results would give more time for the perpetrators to leave the Tucson area altogether.
Just my opinion.

LE tested blood on porch at the beginning of the investigation and they reported it was NG's blood. JMO

 

[Napoli]

Good points. But, you have to consider how difficult it is to carry an unconscious or deceased person. If you were trying to rescue someone in this condition, you might try to scoop them up to carry them out of danger, but I think if you were trying to get someone out quickly you would almost instinctively throw them over your shoulder whether you are a trained responder or not.

dead weight
noun [ C usually singular ]
the heaviness of a person or object that cannot or does not move by itself:
She may be small but, when I have to carry her upstairsafter she's fallen asleep, she's a dead weight (US also she is dead weight).

dead weight

1. the heaviness of a person or object that cannot or does not move by itself…

dictionary.cambridge.org

Oh I totally agree it was a fireman's carry! I was just trying to tie THAT in with my thought that the perp could have also been a fireman. jmo

 

[Sarahlou]

MOO I miss this thread being the only place where NG is discussed, now feel like I’m missing half of the updates. MOO, was just easier refreshing this one page and jumping to the most recent comment rather than bouncing around looking. But that’s just me

I know what you mean, but it’s still the main thread. Things have just gone quieter anyway with this case. I'm sure any big updates will get posted in here.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

I’m going to link where I just posted about my ponderings on this suspect. Another option would be a dancer. Definitely would be trained to lift and carry a partner, and naturally develops a turnout as shown in the video and illustrated on my post.
Post in thread 'Suspect - Video Suspect - Clothing, Backpack, holster, etc'
Suspect - Suspect - Video Suspect - Clothing, Backpack, holster, etc

Let's explore something. It has been posited many times here, that the perp may have used the fireman's carry to take NG out of the house. IMO FIREMEN would do that reflexively! Firemen work weird hours..24 on, 48 off. Some work 8 hour shifts, etc etc. Hospital workers also work odd shifts 12 hours on, 1-2 days off ..every other weekend off..etc..So there's that. MOO

I went back to look at the footage after recent comments on lantana man’s gait and movement patterns, because I’m a former personal trainer who tends to pick up on those things but had never noticed anything unusual in the video.

What I see now is someone stepping in a way to avoid making noise. I don’t see an injury or compensating patterns—IMO—I see him lifting each foot in a way that just slightly increases the air time and reduces the number of steps needed. Hence someone’s comment upthread about spacewalking (my term)—if you wanted to make as little noise as possible, you’d walk like an astronaut, too. MOO

TMZ

I don’t know but wonder: would a soldier in combat carry injured soldiers to safety that way too? Also, LE have not confirmed forced entry but it occurs to me that soldiers working urban battlefields might have some experience (possibly even tools for) forcing entry.

Good idea! Wrestling! Martial arts! A lot of young people are in that sport!

JMO

 

[SaraSmile]

bbm 100% JMO

Wow, it’s so sad to think of NG being carried away, what were her last thoughts? Maybe knocked out( or worse). A sweet 84 year old lady, taken from her safe home, bed. Really sad.
JMO

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

So...just thinking outloud here. If this was an attempted burglary that had to be aborted because NG unexpectedly needed medical attention or, even worse, passed away...do you all think that the robber(s) even managed to steal anything? Was the "mission" even "worthwhile" for them?

Brian Entin interviewed a retired PC LE last night who thought one possible motive was a burglary gone bad. Most burgulars break into houses during the day when nobody is home, as this LE on the video mentions. But, I wonder if it was a burglary where the criminal wanted NG at home to give him the code to the safe or information--at gun point--about what valuables she had and where they were. JMO

https://twitter.com/x/status/2027583992682451169

 

[thefragile7393]

Maybe someone that changes everyone’s oil? Or pumps gas, a station in proximity they all use.

we all pump our own gas here

 

[thefragile7393]

MOO I miss this thread being the only place where NG is discussed, now feel like I’m missing half of the updates. MOO, was just easier refreshing this one page and jumping to the most recent comment rather than bouncing around looking. But that’s just me

I miss having the conversations broken up into sections to be honest. Now it feels cluttered IMO. Alas....

 

[warp3dwing]

Agree. LE and FBI will keep both AG and NG's cars until they have made an arrest. The cars could be considered evidence in a trial and they don't want to make the mistake of releasing the cars prematurely.

JMO

Does saying someone is “cleared” have an actual legal meaning? The term “person of interest” comes to mind, since it has no legal meaning, so maybe saying someone is cleared means nothing as far as the case is concerned.

I definitely don’t think the sheriff would lie on camera, but he may say something that sounds meaningful when it’s really as substantial as candy floss.

 

[Napoli]

Agree. LE and FBI will keep both AG and NG's cars until they have made an arrest. The cars could be considered evidence in a trial and they don't want to make the mistake of releasing the cars prematurely.

JMO

My question is EVIDENCE OF WHAT? 2 different cars. Garaged and used by presumably 2 different people. Both ridden in by NG. (she drives her own car whenever and was brought home by her SIL in his that evening). I can see doing forensics on NG's car. Can they track where she went for the past 2 weeks for example by some gps tracker in her car? Even so, why keep the entire car? What is the glaring commonality between the 2 vehicles, that they are both being held, besides NG has been an occupant? I dunno.. jmo

 

[LRinCA]

Wow, it’s so sad to think of NG being carried away, what were her last thoughts? Maybe knocked out( or worse). A sweet 84 year old lady, taken from her safe home, bed. Really sad.
JMO

Sometimes I wonder if the cruelty was the point - versus money or anything else.

JMO
MMO

 

[maskedwoman]

One thing I’d like to know is whether egress from the rear of the house to the street was possible without scaling the fence. In other words, could Nancy have walked or been carried out that route, or was the yard gate somehow impassable?

If both the front and rear routes were usable for the abduction, what made the front door a better choice? Yes, it’s closer to the driveway, but it required disabling a camera (assuming in this scenario that the suspect did not want to be caught on video). We’ve heard that Nancy couldn’t walk far, but with help - and the powerful motivation of a firearm - I think she could’ve managed either route, if clear.

And if it turns out Nancy was carried, a slightly longer but camera-free route out the back would still seem preferable. Fewer slick surfaces to leave shoe prints, DNA, etc.

The blood is definitely Nancy’s, but I suppose it could’ve been planted there for some reason. Maybe to seed the idea that she got into a car in the driveway but was taken via another route. Seems unlikely, but we don’t know (although LE might).

That's possible. It certainly *seems* like they were there long enough to do that and a lot more.

At first thought, planting blood drops seems like something someone with a lot of professional experience might do for misdirection but I'm not a criminal, so what do I know. Or maybe someone unexperienced who had done a lot of research. BK was inexperienced so far as we know, but he did do a lot of planning. Fortunately, he didn't know as much as he thought he did. That could be the same here. Making a plan while not knowing what you don't know. Or, similar to my favorite expression - "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face".

 

[warp3dwing]

Brian Entin interviewed a retired PC LE last night who thought one possible motive was a burglary gone bad. Most burgulars break into houses during the day when nobody is home, as this LE on the video mentions. But, I wonder if it was a burglary where the criminal wanted NG at home to give him the code to the safe or information--at gun point--about what valuables she had and where they were. JMO

https://twitter.com/x/status/2027583992682451169

It’s total conjecture on my part, but I have a hard time imagining Nancy refusing to give the armed suspect whatever they wanted - codes, jewelry, whatever - had they simply asked for it. Seems preferable to the alternative.

 

[SaraSmile]

Does saying someone is “cleared” have an actual legal meaning? The term “person of interest” comes to mind, since it has no legal meaning, so maybe saying someone is cleared means nothing as far as the case is concerned.

I definitely don’t think the sheriff would lie on camera, but he may say something that sounds meaningful when it’s really as substantial as candy floss.

In some past crimes, a person was interviewed, “ cleared” early on. Then much later, sometimes years later, with DNA advances, cold case, going through evidence again, determined this person was the suspect all along! Arrested. JMO