Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[VeronicaVaughn]

I believe there are groups who even enjoy watching a victim harmed online, or even killed. Much like some pedeophiles like to stream abuse. The dark web can make it very difficult to track.

I just finished watching Lost Women of Alaska and this was something that was mentioned. Absolutely horrific.

 

[Napoli]

I just hope they're trolling the dark web (or whatever the bowels of the internet is called). There could be digital sharing and other communications on there that could flag something or someone. If this guy also did the ransom demand and he's managed to circumvent the FBI, (likely) the NSA, and whomever else might be trying to find him via his proxy IPs, I imagine that's a place in which he would be intimately familiar. That's where folks with those kinds of tech skillsets frequent, particularly ones with fetishes and/or ideologies that may not align with societal norms. And for that matter hope they're monitoring Discord too, though from what I understand that is virtually impossible to decipher. Or subpoena for that matter.

JMO.

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[VeronicaVaughn]

here's a combo that is much more difficult to trace but not foolproof

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• Law Enforcement Tactics: Law enforcement can use techniques such as analyzing traffic timing, exploiting browser vulnerabilities, or obtaining data from other compromised accounts to bypass VPN protection.
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This makes sense.

 

[you betcha]

I am going to build on you mentioning the Sonoran Desert. Something that came to my mind once I read SG’s book ‘Mostly what God does’. I have posted before about the ‘kidnapping game’ they would play as children routinely during summertime. It is mentioned in Chapter11 of her book (Mostly What God Does) on page 90.

The following has been approved by Tricia, as long as I include page numbers of SG’s book:

What caught my attention besides the obvious (the kidnapping game) is the name of the chapter - PSALM 23. SG mentions on page 90 of Chapter 11, that the kidnapping game would result in her (SG) and her sister (AG) calling her mom (NG) from a pit stop somewhere between Tucson and Phoenix (Sonoran Desert) and reporting the kidnapping to their cousin’s T’s house. The mother (NG) would play along and promise to bring them back in a few days.

Pages 91 through 98 : SG goes on stressing the importance of PSALM 23 to her as a spiritual gift from God. On page 93 SG describes PSALM 23 as her secret code between her and God. It seemed to have always been of utmost importance to her. Her entire book is a revelation of her relationship to God.

Does NG’s kidnapping possibly have any religious overtones? Do we have a person, who wants to hurt SG in her most inner core?

While searching for a pitstop, exit or similar on the I10 ( I did check the location in Phoenix, where the relative lived back then, they would have taken I10 IMO) stretch between Tucson and Phoenix I found marker 230. There are frontage roads/ local access.A lot of nothing there except a good amount of greenery/ trees and water features. That would be located in Pinal County.

Marker 230 reminds me of PSALM 23..I might be reaching here, but I just wanted to include that possibility. No stone unturned.

Pinal County does own a state of the art heli by the way with high tech search and rescue equipped. Their heli, tail number N151H ( if you want to check) has not done a SAR mission to my knowledge with a search and rescue profile in that area so far. Perhaps it’s time.

MILE MARKER 230 on I10:

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COORDINATES: 32°31'51.67"N 111°17'14.50"W

ALL IMO

Thanks,
Nin

Can you relink the "kidnapping game" post?

 

[VeronicaVaughn]

Can you relink the "kidnapping game" post?

I believe it's the full post that @No it's not shared above, which they mentioned was approved by Tricia. No link since it's direct from the book that SG wrote, but there are page #s referenced.

 

[Napoli]

I am not sure where to put this post. I think it doesn't matter how many masks the perp is wearing . I DO THINK MULTIPLE. That's as much for prevention of shedding DNA as it is for facial distortion and intimidation. So, what are we left with? Eyes and mouth. I DO THINK, there is something on the eyelids. Like a black eyeshadow but not makeup. But something. Eyebrows have been altered too. There are a couple of screenshots that look like he has almost a Hitler mustache. The eyes will eventually be the feature that gives him away, imo It's definitely a job for sophisticated facial recognition software. JMO

 

[QueenBofOB]

I do hope someone in LE is watching livestreams or they have something set up to view though. There have been many instances that I’ve seen people more than once on multiple streams that do not live close to Nancy. Just walking around or speaking to the media. The last batch of the 2 people doing the photoshoot a few days ago was sickening to me. Leather outfits and everything. I watched all of it live. I’m all for freedom of speech and expression, whatever ..it was highly inappropriate and attention seeking imo. I took all kinds of screen shots. I can’t post them because it’s not from an approved stream. The couples vehicle was also a dark gray Kia crossover with black rims. Im not implying anything it just made my eyes almost pop out of my head. I wanted to post about this days ago but didn’t because all I had were screen shots. Here’s an actual link .

https://www.the-express.com/entertainment/celebrity-news/200590/nancy-guthrie-chaos-couple-photoshoot

Speaking of KIA's, I was listening to a retired FBI agent on one of BE's broadcasts. Hard to remember as I've been binge watching for the past 2 days. According to this agent, everything is connected to the internet. So even if this perp left the phone at home, his car (providing it IS a KIA Soul), would still be connected and traceable.

 

[RedHaus]

One who is either:

a. A professional

OR

b. From the higher echelons of society

OR

c. Very secretive.

d. All of the above, is my vote.

 

[RedHaus]

I am going to build on you mentioning the Sonoran Desert. Something that came to my mind once I read SG’s book ‘Mostly what God does’. I have posted before about the ‘kidnapping game’ they would play as children routinely during summertime. It is mentioned in Chapter11 of her book (Mostly What God Does) on page 90.

The following has been approved by Tricia, as long as I include page numbers of SG’s book:

What caught my attention besides the obvious (the kidnapping game) is the name of the chapter - PSALM 23. SG mentions on page 90 of Chapter 11, that the kidnapping game would result in her (SG) and her sister (AG) calling her mom (NG) from a pit stop somewhere between Tucson and Phoenix (Sonoran Desert) and reporting the kidnapping to their cousin’s T’s house. The mother (NG) would play along and promise to bring them back in a few days.

Pages 91 through 98 : SG goes on stressing the importance of PSALM 23 to her as a spiritual gift from God. On page 93 SG describes PSALM 23 as her secret code between her and God. It seemed to have always been of utmost importance to her. Her entire book is a revelation of her relationship to God.

Does NG’s kidnapping possibly have any religious overtones? Do we have a person, who wants to hurt SG in her most inner core?

While searching for a pitstop, exit or similar on the I10 ( I did check the location in Phoenix, where the relative lived back then, they would have taken I10 IMO) stretch between Tucson and Phoenix I found marker 230. There are frontage roads/ local access.A lot of nothing there except a good amount of greenery/ trees and water features. That would be located in Pinal County.

Marker 230 reminds me of PSALM 23..I might be reaching here, but I just wanted to include that possibility. No stone unturned.

Pinal County does own a state of the art heli by the way with high tech search and rescue equipped. Their heli, tail number N151H ( if you want to check) has not done a SAR mission to my knowledge with a search and rescue profile in that area so far. Perhaps it’s time.

MILE MARKER 230 on I10:

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COORDINATES: 32°31'51.67"N 111°17'14.50"W

ALL IMO

Thanks,
Nin

Fascinating sleuthing, @No it's not!

Have you submitted that to LE yet?

It certainly might spur some out of the box thinking, which solving this case will require, IMO. That said, wouldn't NG or AG have made this same connection already?

 

[submarine7]

I'm not sure who watched BEs show tonight but it's linked up thread. There were two pieces of information that were new to me. MO said the ransom notes have been debunked and I completely forgot the other The debunked ransom notes really changes things. MO said this is a murder.

Edit--I find it even more confusing now.

 

[VeronicaVaughn]

Is the Huffpost a source we are allowed to share here? Thank you!

 

[Sticksandspades]

A lone silent one?
A group with a message not for general public but higher ups?
A very bonded twosome?

A very bonded twosome - a male/female couple maybe?

ETA: perhaps the male has total control and that why the accomplice “can’t” come forward.

 

[Bruxer]

I'm not sure who watched BEs show tonight but it's linked up thread. There were two pieces of information that were new to me. MO said the ransom notes have been debunked and I completely forgot the other The debunked ransom notes really changes things. MO said this is a murder.

Edit--I find it even more confusing now.

I just watched that, and I think that I am of the same opinion that they really need to start focusing on a more simple story in order to find out who did this. IMO people are trying to make up stories that might make a good tv show, but are way too convoluted.

 

[Rusty123]

Fascinating sleuthing, @No it's not!

Have you submitted that to LE yet?

It certainly might spur some out of the box thinking, which solving this case will require, IMO. That said, wouldn't NG or AG have made this same connection already?

In Savannahs first video message with her siblings, her brother is wearing a Saguaro National Park hat. I’ve always wondered if that was a message or sign to the perpetrator.

Can you relink the "kidnapping game" post?

 

[Mistermagoo]

I'm not sure who watched BEs show tonight but it's linked up thread. There were two pieces of information that were new to me. MO said the ransom notes have been debunked and I completely forgot the other The debunked ransom notes really changes things. MO said this is a murder.

Edit--I find it even more confusing now.

So i believe this was way more planned out than people are giving the perp(s) credit for, down to the to the fullest moon of the month. From what I am reading, the difference between a full moon and a 1/4 moon in the Arizona desert is enormous. Obvious not good at the scene of the crime, but if there was a plan to do something afterward in the desert terrain, where moon is the only light you have, the more light the better. There is baby cactus plants everywhere, wildlife, scorpions.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I've come to realize this case is far more complex that it originally appeared to be. We saw what appeared to be a novice Perp in his Wmart getup with what appears to be a gun worn in a manner that could have ended the night very differently had he sneezed.

While I certainly hope I'm wrong, given the blood droplets and the amount of them, I sadly speculate that NG was murdered, and died at her home the night she disappeared. While we might not be privy to this information, we aren't aware of any proof of life that was ever given after she disappeared. I speculate that is because NG was no longer amongst the living to do so.

I know very little about SG, her morning show, or her journalistic history. When doing a quick search, I found she has conducted inverviews with some high profile individuals regarding some highly controversial matters. Sadly, I do speculate that whatever happed to NG was in direct retaliation to some perceived grievance against her high profile daughter. That being said, I think there is much more to this than will ever be revealed to the general public. Stating bluntly, I think NG was collateral damage, and the Perps have been tormenting and punishing SG ever since N disappeared. Punishing SG, issuing a terrifying warning?

This is a horrid nightmare that I freely admit goes far beyond my sleuthing skills.
Prayers for all the innocent affected.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Sticksandspades]

New Brian Entin video-

So two revelations in this video - both the Kia Soul and the ransom notes are debunked. Are there any other sources for this other than BE/MO?

 

[cathathorse]

So two revelations in this video - both the Kia Soul and the ransom notes are debunked. Are there any other sources for this other than BE/MO?

I don't think the Kia Soul is debunked-- the only source for that is TMZ and Maureen may be getting her info based on that. The ransom notes are debunked in that it seems like LE stopped paying attention to them after about 10 days. SG did not pay the ransom, as is evident from the monitored bitcoin account that the ransom would have been paid into.

I think what was most interesting in that video is that Maureen refuses to say what her theory is! I have an idea of what it is based on her appearances and continued comments about one specific aspect of the case (the AG/TC car still in custody) on the Megyn Kelly Show as well as <modsnip: The podcast you refer to is NOT an approved source at Websleuths>

 

[Andreee]

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Some interesting points at Nancy's house. There are 6 points of entry to the inside

Front door, garage, 2 balcony back doors, blue door, patio doors on the side of the house, with a 4ft pony wall

We don't know factually from the sheriff if it was a Forced Entry
So this should have been addressed by the sheriff in the beginning

We know when Nancy was dropped off at home, the garage door opened up at approximately 9:48 p.m. and closed (9:50 p.m.) as the home's smart garage system recorded the activity

But the timeline of Nancy's disappearance doesn't quite fit the puzzle

At 11.56 pm, the family checked on Nancy 12:03 pm, the family called the emergency number 911

Then the sheriff said around 11. am ish.
Well, then that's around 60 minutes

But how did they get in to check on Nancy?

If the family entered through the front door, they would have seen the blood and called 911 straight away

If they said we used the garage to get into Nancy's house

The LE would have that data point at a certain time (the home's smart garage system)

Well then, the LE would be asking what you were doing in there for that amount of time etc.. ?



A search warrant was then issued to impounded AG car as part of the investigation

But you can't impound someone's car without a reason and not give it back; the law does not allow you to do that

Unless it has some evidence-based value

As normally it's 10 days to hold the vehicle, it's now a month in

The vehicle is still of interest to the LE in this case, and a judge has approved the continued holding of that vehicle











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You wrote 11:56 pm the family checked on Nancy, but I assume you meant am not pm

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

So i believe this was way more planned out than people are giving the perp(s) credit for, down to the to the fullest moon of the month. From what I am reading, the difference between a full moon and a 1/4 moon in the Arizona desert is enormous. Obvious not good at the scene of the crime, but if there was a plan to do something afterward in the desert terrain, where moon is the only light you have, the more light the better. There is baby cactus plants everywhere, wildlife, scorpions.

I had thought that the perp may not have thought about the full moon being that night. But, since everything else was so carefully planned, it makes absolute sense that he/they planned to do this when the moon was full for the purpose of being able to better see when disposing of NG's body. A full moon makes a huge difference in providing a great deal of light in Tucson.

While it is possible the perp was responsible for the ransom notes, IMO the ransom notes were done by people not connected with the perp. If the ransom notes and perpetrators are not connected, the perpetrator may have gone into this crime with the intent of murdering NG.

If that's the case, the perp would have thought ahead about where they would get rid of NG's body. If the motive was related to SG, then looking at the Sonoran dessert and places mentioned in SG's book makes a lot of sense.

Saguaro National Park is closed at night and cars can't get around the gates, or, at least, that has been my experience previously. And you have to show your national park pass or pay the park fee to get into the park.

All JMO