Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[ab01]

I did a quick google search and I'm sorry if its been mentioned before. But in general it seems most manufacturers recommend phone be within 3-6 feet of a pacemaker in order sync and provide status updates etc.

#Modern pacemakers use Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE) to sync with phone apps for remote monitoring. The effective reach generally varies between
3 to 6 feet (1 to 2 meters) depending on the manufacturer and the specific activity.

With that said, It's possible that a persons pacemaker would disconnect if they were, for example: moved from the room where their phone was into another room of the house. I think it's just as likely a person could be harmed in their home and no longer be synced with their phone app. I'm not sure that its possible to be certain that the time ones pacemaker stopped communicating with a phone was the time they left their home. And I'm also not sure that you could use that to deduce proof of life when they left. MOO

 

[allboys]

There has to be a reason she was abducted. If it was not ransom, what do you think it was?

How do we know for sure that she was abducted?
- the sheriff has said it, but he’s basing that off of her pace maker disconnecting from her watch. This only proves she or her body got out of reach from her watch
- he/LE is basing it off of the fact the blood on the porch suggests bleeding from a live Nancy (that only suggests she was alive at the time that she bled on the porch)
- it is still possible she was murdered in her home (there are traceless forms of murder without a body holding evidence).
- the cameras being deactivated doesn’t prove abduction either. It does prove someone(s) was covering their tracks.

There’s still a possibility she was abducted (and later murdered), but that does not equal kidnapping. In legal terms, there is a difference between abduction and kidnapping. All this to say, just because we have been told that LE suspects an abduction, IMO, I haven’t heard anything that proves it conclusively. On the other hand, LE is not disclosing all known info. Even though I think likely not, obviously, I do hold out hope she is alive.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

In other cases we’ve heard LE say things like - if you’ve noticed something odd from a loved one, someone missing from work, etc, reach out. We’ve not heard that here.

 

[Jade]

right!? like thinking she needed to be taken in to the house and settled or tucked in to bed.

Some of us consider those suggested actions polite!

Not age specific necessarily but we are known for our spoiling of our elders around here.

After a long night go in and help get set up for bed. Make sure her book is handy so she doesn’t have to get up again. Maybe offer a cup of herb tea to settle in.

My elderly mom although in decent health would get tired and I worried about a stumble and fall when she was. What I wouldn’t give to still have her to be able to spoil her still.

Our community is safe in general but my elderly Mom lived by herself in a big home on a wooded property and the affluent neighborhood had break ins despite paid security that drove through periodically.

So I would have definitely gone in, as she would assume I would, when dropping her off after dark especially that far after dark.

I never leave anyone I’ve dropped off after dark without a got in the door ok now I’m locked in wave from the window; at the least.

Just habit and expected behavior for a lot of us.

All imo

 

[acutename]

She was very adamant about it. Definitely didn’t seem confused or like she misinterpreted something. She claimed her source was very high up in law enforcement and she stated that over and over. & she’s not known to be “sensational” or irresponsible, so this is very odd for her.

Editing to add that I’m not saying she’s right or wrong. I’m just baffled by it. Very strange for HER to make such a claim

weird too for a "high up reliable source" to be spilling info IMO

 

[Nikynoo]

I'm confused about the 2 minutes between the garage door opening then shutting.
This data shows that NG entered through the garage and the door was closed right away, yes?

So either whoever dropped her off at 9:48 ish did not enter with her and help her settle or could they have entered with her from the garage stayed a bit then exited through another door?
Would that exciting have shown up?
I find it hard to believe whoever brought her home did not go in with her, put lights on, help her get her settled etc.
imo

Unless the inference from timings etc indicates otherwise

 

[moonbeams]

I wonder who was responsible for making sure the Nest Camera Subscription was paid. Not likely Nancy. Probably just an oversight. Maybe not.

<modsnip> My 87 year old mother paid her own bills right up until the end!! she made her own decisions including to continue to live in the home that she and my dad purchased years and years ago!!!!! i truly wished she had moved as her home was a 2 story... but that was HER decision! i'm going to assume that NG made her own decisions, too! all MOO

 

[Trino]

This discussion has drifted into the ethersphere...
I don't think we even got clear evidence that this act was done.

Hopefully someone will clarify if otherwise...

Gardner, pool maintenance, cleaning persons. Sure they have all been interviewed.

 

[whowy]

Unfortunately and sadly, I do not think NG is alive. I think she was killed at her home early Sunday morning and taken out for unknown reasons. I am firmly on the fence about the perp and the ransom. I wish I could come up with a good working theory, but I'm mostly baffled.

In this theory - reason to remove a body might be to prevent LE from analyzing all the forensic info that we know a body can yield - including info that could help ID the perp. Is there any on-line Mahjong game site involving live players? Might NG have let her guard down in such a context ?

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

We don't know the details of the family dinner, but since Nancy's birthday was Jan 27th, many have surmised that it was likely a birthday celebration. JMO

January 27th was my birthday, too. I'm 76.

ETA: I'm not posting but have been following along on the thread. It moves quickly, so I try my best to keep up

 

[serenebee23]

Not sure if someone already mentioned this but regarding the flowers on the ground by the blood at the front door...I just watched on my big screen TV a video (versus looking on my phone like usual) that showed a close up of the Nest cam bracket where the camera was taken from. It looks like on the top left corner behind the bracket is a green stem/leaf. Maybe she had flowers tucked behind the Nest cam as a decoration that got knocked down when the person removed the camera?

This video at 19:28:

 

[CandyKiss]

So Monday comes with no ransom. Assuming the abductors are not family, they are painting themselves into a corner. Guesses are they are concerned with NG's health but more concerned with themselves. Assuming she is alive, with no ransom, would they just leave her off somewhere to be easily found and attempt to exit the situation?

only if they can not be identified by NG

 

[Deleted member 117884]

It was sent to a local Tucson news station first. Was also sent to another news station (can't remember the name). Then was sent to TMZ on Tuesday.

I think it may be more about accesibility. TMZ has an easy to use tip form and they probably monitor it all the time. I did a quick search of email NBC.. I got a lot of emails come up and it says, depending on your needs.

I have thought that they maybe were concerned the News stations didn't receive the ransom letter, because LE kept saying that there was none. TMZ posted about there copy shortly after the press briefing by the Sheriff on Tuesday.

This is interesting. I didn't realize the news stations got the ransom note first. It makes sense they would go to LE and not publicize it, and perhaps that frustrated the ransom-note writer. Maybe he wanted attention and/or wanted to know the Guthrie family received the note, so he then sent it to TMZ, correctly assuming TMZ would publicize the story.

Interesting.

jmo

 

[Cassie P]

Not OP but I don’t believe it’s a kidnapping either. I believe it’s a murder and hidden body. That happens much more often than kidnapping an aduly and holding them for ransom.

I’m basing this on odds and the victim’s profile. I’m surprised talking heads are even discussing the ransom notes. I’m sure they strongly suspect they are BS but it gets clicks and the case is moving slowly.

There was recently a high profile double murder in Ohio, where local LE looked befuddled and incompetent in public. But what we did not know is that they had identified a suspect right away who was clever and a flight risk. Behind the scenes the LE wheels were turning at a rapid pace. LE made a successful out of state arrest, and the case looks solid.

 

[steff13]

intersting. Love them or hate them or no opinion either way, they often have things pretty accurate.

I don't think they're the most scrupulous, but their info is usually if not always correct. For instance, if they say that a celebrity has died I know that person is dead. If they said I was dead I would probably believe them.

 

[Starkville]

Do we really know that the Saturday evening dinner was planned and/or was there any purpose other than just eating? Maybe there was something else going on and that is why NG took the Uber over there? Perhaps they didn't exactly know she was going to show up. Just food for thought (no pun intended).

Early on it was reported that Nancy played mah jong and then went to dinner. If that’s true, I’d expect that there was a group of other people there. Mah jong is a four-player game. And usually, there’s more than one group playing, because it’s a social kind of thing, women getting together.

If she did, I imagine that would be the last occasion she was seen by someone other than family and the Uber driver.

 

[Friday Fan]

If the perp didn't know NG was the mother of a famous and wealthy person, I don't think it was a kidnapping for ransom.

If the perp did know, then I do think it was for ransom.

Stating the obvious, I suppose.

jmo

I think if the perp was someone who did odd jobs, they may have seen the pics and asked.

I had a neighbor teen boy who came to my house to talk about plants. At first everything was OK, but then he appeared in my front yard every single time I went outside. It was getting so I couldn't go to my front yard. ( I knew he was like that because of his Aspergers, I'm putting it here because the situation sounds kinda freakier than it was and don't want to derail the convo with "Why didn't you do something about it?")

However, it was to the point that I didn't know how to handle the situation. I started avoiding the front yard. I didn't want to complain to his parents. Fortunately, he outgrew this stage.

I'm leaning towards something that started out friendly and something that escalated over time.

NG seems like a nice person and when you are celebrity's family you unfortunately need to be nice to people that you may not want to be nice to. But over time, if someone is visiting over and over you suddenly "aren't nice" anymore. It's when "you aren't nice anymore" is when things escalate.

Many people that show up in our lives are down on their luck or they have issues where their social interactions are different than our's (Substance abuse etc) They seem nice at first, but they can be overwhelming and when we push back on them they suddenly aren't so nice.


Perp may have not know she had money and saw Savannah's picture. She may have paid him cash here and there, but then he sees Savannah pics, he expects more from her. The relationship starts to sour etc....

All MOO....

 

[Wsimm]

Yeah, that part is weird, especially since Daily Mail reported Nancy hasn't been going in person to mass since Covid and Brian Entin said his producers went to the church who told him the same thing or wouldn't confirm. I wonder if it's one of those rumors that got started early and then just takes on a life of its own. (Like in the Moscow Idaho murders where for for months the narrative was "someone ran outside in the morning and passed out" because the 911 call had reported an "unconscious" person and it didn't get cleared up for like months or years that no one passed out outside.) Someone may have said, "Nancy usually attends mass on Sunday morning" and for all we know, that statement took on a life of its own in the early days and LE hasn't publicly corrected.

I also wonder about this. If NG chose to stop attending a previous church that she had attended for decades to instead start attending a new one, it may have started with Covid, but turned into an easier, more casual excuse as to why she no longer attended in person. Also further explaining that she now streams the service at home may be a more “thoughtful breakup” with said church and the congregation?

 

[Deleted member 117884]

There was recently a high profile double murder in Ohio, where local LE looked befuddled and incompetent in public. But what we did not know is that they had identified a suspect right away who was clever and a flight risk. Behind the scenes the LE wheels were turning at a rapid pace. LE made a successful out of state arrest, and the case looks solid.

Yes, that happens frequently, imo. While the public is crying that LE isn't doing anything, LE is busy solving the case. Hope that is happening here.

jmo

 

[Cassie P]

This is interesting. I didn't realize the news stations got the ransom note first. It makes sense they would go to LE and not publicize it, and perhaps that frustrated the ransom-note writer. Maybe he wanted attention and/or wanted to know the Guthrie family received the note, so he then sent it to TMZ, correctly assuming TMZ would publicize the story.

Interesting.

jmo

If you want attention, what better way to do it. Abduct an elderly family member of a national celebrity and news anchor.