Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Cardgame]

This Brian entin interview with former border patrol is v interesting.

Someone who knows the terrain could easily get to the house on foot.

In fact there is one point where a car suddenly drives past them in the background in what otherwise appears to be a completely rural desert landscape.

It really helped me understand the lack of camera sightings.

 

[NewMommy09]

If the family members who dropped her off turn out to be guilty, it's possible they drove into garage with NG's body in car. Then waited till 1:47am to turn off cameras, and carry her body out front door (gets cut on way out, to explain blood) to new car. Pacemakers will continue to send electrical impulses after the heart stops beating, so I wonder if it's possible the scene of the crime was elsewhere.

I've been theorizing similar to you. Though I was considering NG to still be alive when the car pulls into the garage. And possibly when they leave the home too.
Also, yes pacemakers often have to be turned off after death, this can be done with a magnet. But it's stated she had a pacemaker app on her phone, theres also things like Life Alert. LE likely has way more data than we know.
Car pulls into garage with occupants, door shuts. Then we have no idea what's going on in the home until the ring cam disconnects in the early AM. I'm very curious when anyone last saw Nancy prior to this family get together.

 

[Cardgame]

"Investigators resumed their search in Nancy Guthrie’s home in what CNN law enforcement analyst Steve Moore described as an attempt at “going back to square one” and building their case again."

I really hope that isn't the case because that is very demoralizing.

https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/savannah-guthrie-mom-nancy-missing-02-06-26

 

[Cardgame]

https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/savannah-guthrie-mom-nancy-missing-02-06-26

The news station rep states here that the second message doesn't read like a ransom note.

Shorter than the first.

It doesn't seem to be asking for anything in return.

 

[Charlot123]

I wonder whether the notes were sent to TMZ and KOLD because they are low technological level?

I assume if I send such a note to “The Atlantic”, they’d have more resources to sort things out, where it came from, who sent it, VPN or not.

But TMZ and KOLD may have older computers and some systems not helpful to define the origin of the ransom notes.

Could it be true? And could the person sending them know about it?

(Nothing against what they write. The question is about technological equipment and if the sender had some prior connection to these places, knew their weakness, in a way).

 

[avalonisland]

Last time anyone saw NG alive was night of 1/31/26. Blood droplets exterior front entryway belonging to NG could mean NG last proof of life 2/1/26 early morning. Zero proof of life after say 2:30am. I don't see ransom letters sent days after NG last known life are related to NG disappearance. Without any proof of life, IMO, NG is deceased

 

[Cardgame]

I wonder whether the notes were sent to TMZ and KOLD because they are low technological level?

I assume if I send such a note to “The Atlantic”, they’d have more resources to sort things out, where it came from, who sent it, VPN or not.

But TMZ and KOLD may have older computers and some systems not helpful to define the origin of the ransom notes.

Could it be true? And could the person sending them know about it?

(Nothing against what they write. The question is about technological equipment and if the sender had some prior connection to these places, knew their weakness, in a way).

From my limited understanding the hiding of the source is done by the criminals and not to do with the recipient.

If you open this link and scroll down to the video called:
Could a potential Bitcoin ransom be traced? Experts advise

https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/savannah-guthrie-mom-nancy-missing-02-06-26

There is a cyber security expert who states that in order to hide the source of the ransom note email from FBI the criminals must be 'highly sophisticated'.

He didn't explain why/how but I think we are talking something more than an average VPN which even I have, and I'm a fairly reluctant technology user.

Edited for clarity.

 

[avalonisland]

https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/savannah-guthrie-mom-nancy-missing-02-06-26

The news station rep states here that the second message doesn't read like a ransom note.

Shorter than the first.

It doesn't seem to be asking for anything in return.

No proof of life kinda appears to be bogus ransom note

 

[Serononin]

I wonder whether the notes were sent to TMZ and KOLD because they are low technological level?

I assume if I send such a note to “The Atlantic”, they’d have more resources to sort things out, where it came from, who sent it, VPN or not.

But TMZ and KOLD may have older computers and some systems not helpful to define the origin of the ransom notes.

Could it be true? And could the person sending them know about it?

(Nothing against what they write. The question is about technological equipment and if the sender had some prior connection to these places, knew their weakness, in a way).

I'm not sure about KOLD, but my guess is that they sent it to TMZ because they thought that TMZ would be most likely to publish the note, or at least talk about it publicly

 

[avalonisland]

I've been theorizing similar to you. Though I was considering NG to still be alive when the car pulls into the garage. And possibly when they leave the home too.
Also, yes pacemakers often have to be turned off after death, this can be done with a magnet. But it's stated she had a pacemaker app on her phone, theres also things like Life Alert. LE likely has way more data than we know.
Car pulls into garage with occupants, door shuts. Then we have no idea what's going on in the home until the ring cam disconnects in the early AM. I'm very curious when anyone last saw Nancy prior to this family get together.

To me most reliable sighting of NG alive is Uber Driver who picked up NG alive at 5:32 then dropped NG off at AG house prior to 6pm. Only last proof of life is Uber driver unless AG had inside home cameras and car cameras

 

[maskedwoman]

Her pacemaker was working at her house later.

It works off her phone, though right? Not something AT her home. So I think it's an assumption she was home?

 

[avalonisland]

Tommaso drove Nancy home per New York Times interview with Sheriff Nanos

"After dinner and games, Mr. Cioni drove Ms. Guthrie home, and the garage door at her home opened at around 9:48 p.m., Sheriff Nanos said. That door closed at 9:50 p.m."

What proof can TC give that he dropped off NG and that she was alive?

 

[avalonisland]

Tommaso drove Nancy home per New York Times interview with Sheriff Nanos

"After dinner and games, Mr. Cioni drove Ms. Guthrie home, and the garage door at her home opened at around 9:48 p.m., Sheriff Nanos said. That door closed at 9:50 p.m."

Only proof TC has given is his word. Where's the proof NG went into house via garage alive?

 

[TheDinks]

What proof can TC give that he dropped off NG and that she was alive?

Well, I'm not part of the investigation team so am not privy to what proof they may or may not have... was just passing on those details Sheriff Nanos gave to NY Times

 

[avalonisland]

So they just pulled up in the driveway, watched her go into her garage, and when door closed they drove off?

Yep, sounds suspicious to me. No time for even goodbye, let me help you open the door and get you inside safe and sound. 2 mins bye, hurry, get inside, garage door closing in 120 seconds...run don't walk with cane. Does not add up.

 

[NoeticSoul]

I still want to know why no mention of NG's cane's, whereabouts. Missing, left in the house? What?!

 

[avalonisland]

Right, which was a 2 minute time span. And that's why I thought they just pulled up and watched her go into the garage.

Two minutes does not seem like enough time to help an 84 yr old with mobility issues, using her walker or cane.

You'd have to pull into the garage, allow time to go open her car door and help her get out of the car and grab her belongings and cane or her walker, and then slowly walk w/her into her home, turn on the lights, and say good night ... then the driver needs to walk back to their car and pull out.

Can that be done in under two minutes time?

Right, but 2 minutes is not much time to get all that done with an 84 yr old with mobility issues, imo. And I took care of my mom for several years and I know that everything takes longer when helping an 84 year old move around, etc



Yes, however the most recent timeline by Nanos said "family members' dropped Nancy off. So I'd think maybe one was driving and the other would be helping her inside if they did help her inside.


Or possibly, the just drove up, used the app to open the garage door, and watched as she entered the doorway into her home...






Per Sheriff Nanos 9:48 p.m. - Family drops Nancy off at home & garage door opens.

9:50 p.m. - Garage door closes.

There is no way a family member say in passenger seat helped this frail 84 year old woman who requires a cane to walk in just 120 seconds to unbuckle seat belt, grab her belongings in the car, help walk to garage door leading into home, say good bye to love one, then bolt back to car in order to shut garage door 120 seconds after opening. Does not add up

 

[avalonisland]

If it’s a robbery goes wrong, they‘ll knock the victim out, unless they can identify the perp then it increases the chances they’re killed. You don’t break in to steal jewelry and iPads and leave with a human being that’s going to put intense heat on you and keep it there with an ongoing crime. Robbery is in-and-out then done.

I think kidnapping was the plan.

No robbery. I don't see kidnapping as proof of life is not really being shown after Uber driver 5:32pm pickup, and if robbery was the plan, wait til NG went to her regular mass.

 

[Strangeworld]

There is no way a family member say in passenger seat helped this frail 84 year old woman who requires a cane to walk in just 120 seconds to unbuckle seat belt, grab her belongings in the car, help walk to garage door leading into home, say good bye to love one, then bolt back to car in order to shut garage door 120 seconds after opening. Does not add up

This is what I've been pondering - I just can't imagine this interaction lasting only 2 minutes. I recall someone saying maybe they went through the garage door with her then exited another way. This could make sense except there is no mention of it in the timeline. It very specifically notes just the garage door.

She would likely move slowly or at least slower than someone with more stability on their feet, even just getting out of the car, saying goodbyes as you said. I just feel like 2 minutes doesn't seem right. Maybe it is, maybe the routine is she just likes to get herself in on her own and immediately turns and closes the garage door. But I'm thinking when someone drops me off, I will often wait until they are reversing or driving off to wave goodbye. Even that would add some time to it.

I keep bouncing between ransom versus these pieces of information and just can't make sense of it all

 

[mikeshanty]

Did anyone else notice that the Instagram appeal seemed to ask NG directly to come home? I understand they need to say something to the victim on the chance they are watching, but the language used was very interesting: AG: "Mama, mama, if you're listening, we need you to come home." This jumped out at me - if NG is under the control of another individual, this seems a really odd thing to say?