Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Wsimm]

So we either have:

1) someone in the family, most likely SIL and/or Annie motivated by some kind of financial gain that they hoped to gain from her passing, and the ransom stuff is just someone trying to capitalize on the situation. Or I suppose the responsible family member(s) could have orchestrated the ransom hoax as a distraction.

2) an actual professional kidnapper who has experience doing this and saw NG as a good target (at least in part because SG wealth).

3) someone not in the inner circle, but someone who is familiar with NG and her house and was in her extended circle somehow. Either a lawn guy, an electrician, a pool guy, etc. that knew who she was, knew who her daughter was, and hatched some half baked plan to either rob her, kidnap her, murder her, etc and then sloppily executed it. The motive here would be money as well in the form of ransom.

4) some deranged politically motivated person who disagreed with SG or felt slighted by SG somehow and was interpreting her on TV from his basement and decided to lash out in this way. Similar to a politically motivated mass shooter or incel type.

5) I hesitate to even write this, but a sexually motivated rapist, murderer, kidnapper who saw her, stalker her and executed a plan on her that night. You wouldn’t think that this would happen to an 84 yo but sadly it does.

Taking everything we know currently into account, I would rank them 1,3,4,2,5.

What say you, WS?

I’m leaning towards 3, but this “someone” is also familiar with AG and SIL. I don’t feel the motive has anything to do with money.

 

[cady]

My reason for asking is because if they find a reason to return again, another proof of reason why they need to return, judge to sign off on search warrant etc. which will be a delay. I hope this is a better explanation of why I am asking.

I was just kidding around, but you are right, please no delays!

 

[Sadi]

It will be SIL, that's clear to see at this point due to the link between both properties. AB was right on the money

Myself included in thinking it’s the SIL still for various reasons. What are you referring to the two properties? LE/FBI investigations and removing evidence at both houses, cars towed etc. or something in addition??

 

[MassGuy]

Is the photo implying the guy in line onscreen is of interest? An older man wearing a work lanyard with an ID?

Those are investigators.

 

[muddlehead]

So we either have:

1) someone in the family, most likely SIL and/or Annie motivated by some kind of financial gain that they hoped to gain from her passing, and the ransom stuff is just someone trying to capitalize on the situation. Or I suppose the responsible family member(s) could have orchestrated the ransom hoax as a distraction.

2) an actual professional kidnapper who has experience doing this and saw NG as a good target (at least in part because SG wealth).

3) someone not in the inner circle, but someone who is familiar with NG and her house and was in her extended circle somehow. Either a lawn guy, an electrician, a pool guy, etc. that knew who she was, knew who her daughter was, and hatched some half baked plan to either rob her, kidnap her, murder her, etc and then sloppily executed it. The motive here would be money as well in the form of ransom.

4) some deranged politically motivated person who disagreed with SG or felt slighted by SG somehow and was interpreting her on TV from his basement and decided to lash out in this way. Similar to a politically motivated mass shooter or incel type.

5) I hesitate to even write this, but a sexually motivated rapist, murderer, kidnapper who saw her, stalker her and executed a plan on her that night. You wouldn’t think that this would happen to an 84 yo but sadly it does.

Taking everything we know currently into account, I would rank them 1,3,4,2,5.

What say you, WS?

door numero uno for me, Monty

 

[nhmemorymaker]

This is the gas stations LE was inquiring at on Friday at 1:58PM MST. Any Arizona locals know which brand/company this is based on gas pumps?
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poster above just mentioned it HAD been a Circle K. But Chevron recently bought it out.

 

[Sadi]

No, those are LE.

I just asked the same thing.

 

[muddlehead]

Haven't read every page, of course
Anyone mention yet these 2 movie kidnapping scenarios
Fargo or Ruthless People?

 

[Strangeworld]

The POTUS has shed more info than LE so far. Of course, he has loose lips while LE is tightlipped as they should be if an arrest is imminent. It is interesting he says this is not a Search operation but a Solution.

(Not sure if TMZ can be linked but these are true statements from Trump on Air Force One)

President Trump Says Suspect Possibly ID'd in Nancy Guthrie Case

President Trump says the feds are getting closer to cracking the kidnapping case of Savannah Guthrie's mom Nancy ... and the FBI may even have a suspect!

www.tmz.com

So AB says there is a suspect, now Trump says there is a suspect. LE jumped all over AB (not by name but clearly targeted comments following her statement about SIL). Will LE shut down Trump now about his claim that there IS a suspect that could be definitive?

Be interesting to see how they respond - if there isn't an arrest by the time they hold their next presser, I think this is going to be front and centre in media questions

 

[Cardgame]

door numero uno for me, Monty

The thing is, if you have something to gain from her passing, then you have nothing to gain from the lack of a body. If she is officially registered as a missing person then you'd need a legal process to get her declared as having passed. I agree that it could be number 1 if the motive is revenge/rage as a result of a financial disagreement.

 

[Sadi]

I’m leaning towards 3, but this “someone” is also familiar with AG and SIL. I don’t feel the motive has anything to do with money.

If not money, what is the motive for them doing this, in your opinion.

 

[Strangeworld]

i imagine that LE was not happy at all with DJT's comments. Really out of line and self serving in my opinion.

And he is known for talking up outcomes before they are actually reality IMO

 

[Curiousraccoon]

Is it this one?

Wait, this gas station its right next to Athena BITCOIN ATM?
loool

 

[browneyes]

I was just speaking with my 98 year old relative about how people think everyone over 80 in incapable of caring for themselves. At 98 she wants no one "tucking her in".

I just want to take a minute and apologize to all elders and NG. I have seen reference to “tucking in” so many times. I am the one who originally mentioned tucking my 86 year old mom into bed at night and locking her house up when I left. She didn’t want anyone overnight yet. But as I said, my mom was sick and her hospice days were weeks in the future. I literally helped her get in bed, fixed her sheets and blankets, removed her glasses and kissed her cheek. It was as much for me as it was for her. She died a few weeks later. I certainly did not mean to offend so many and wish I’d never used those words. NG did not need tucking in and I never meant to imply that.

 

[BUF]

I don’t think there will be another presser until someone is aprehended and in custody

 

[keek]

I’m leaning towards 3, but this “someone” is also familiar with AG and SIL. I don’t feel the motive has anything to do with money.

For some reason, I stopped thinking it was about money, which sounds kind of foolish because there is that bitcoin with a true address to send it to: bitcoin type address. I think that came out the next day? I don't think the abductor would want to hold on to NG a minute longer than they had to. I'd of thought it would of been sent that same day, though it was middle of the night/towards dawn. I forget the amount of time between original letter sent to the first person/station. My main thinking is that they do not want to risk anything going wrong with NG and it's been a week.
It's so drawn out. They, if for the money, assumed that money would of been deposited immediately, no problem then. It was not. They used someone's mother/grandmother who is not young and able 100 percent. They must of known that originally. So they assumed WRONG and it was for the bitcoin millions, or it's a fake and they just wanted revenge with SG. imo

 

[ttjo]

Wait, this gas station its right next to Athena BITCOIN ATM?
loool

It’s definitely the one JLR posted today, same tree at the pumps, same sweet chilli decals on the side., chevron attached to a DQ. Same cross streets that he named.

 

[Strangeworld]

Aphrodite Jones was a guest of Tricia's on the WS Book Club Zoom meeting.
She wrote the book that was our January Book Club selection.
And she is considered an outstanding crime researcher.

I'm catching up on comments, but has there been confirmation of the white van comment? I haven't seen it anywhere else but that is hopeful for ruling it in or out

 

[thefragile7393]

I just want to take a minute and apologize to all elders and NG. I have seen reference to “tucking in” so many times. I am the one who originally mentioned tucking my 86 year old mom into bed at night and locking her house up when I left. She didn’t want anyone overnight yet. But as I said, my mom was sick and her hospice days were weeks in the future. I literally helped her get in bed, fixed her sheets and blankets, removed her glasses and kissed her cheek. It was as much for me as it was for her. She died a few weeks later. I certainly did not mean to offend so many and wish I’d never used those words. NG did not need tucking in and I never meant to imply that.

IMO, you're fine You have gone through a lot and I think a lot of us can understand what you mean

 

[muddlehead]

The thing is, if you have something to gain from her passing, then you have nothing to gain from the lack of a body. If she is officially registered as a missing person then you'd need a legal process to get her declared as having passed. I agree that it could be number 1 if the motive is revenge/rage as a result of a financial disagreement.

Yup
However, here's a thing I posted a few days ago which has bugged me

Why did NG take an uber to dinner that fateful Sat night?
Hunh - who makes an 84 yr old do that?
Even if she wanted to, I wouldn't let my 84 yr old mom to take an uber.
You might just have the one in a thousand weirdo driver be her driver
Just me I guess

And then she's driven home by the daughter and/or SIL
Which kinda proves my point