Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[pharmad]

How does one disconnect t/ remove doorbell camera ?

Ring has a small tool to pop it off, but from what I heard that was a Nest Doorbell, I'm sure its similar.

I promise use a little force it will pop off, the dock is still there but missing a screw, but I've never had a Nest Doorbell. I've only had Rings.

 

[Strangeworld]

Amazon takes a picture of the package to show confirmation of delivery, sends to N’s phone, I wonder if LE can see anything else on that picture?

Great point!

 

[osu]

DBM

 

[pharmad]

If anything, if the blood was present in the picture, and if there was anything else that mightve been "moved" or added.. I think even UPS and FedEx takes pictures as well.

If anything.. you cannot tell me the Delivery Driver didn't see the blood (if present) and wondered "Hmm thats not right" and either tried calling LE or trying to reach NG.

That makes me think the blood wasn't present.. no human would see that and think othersie. It was too much to not notice.

 

[randy903346]

That blood could have been transferred there by someone. Not difficult at all to do, she wouldn't have needed to be present for her blood to be there

Transferred in a very obvious aspiration/spray pattern?? That would be pretty difficult to do imo

 

[Strangeworld]

If anything, if the blood was present in the picture, and if there was anything else that mightve been "moved" or added.. I think even UPS and FedEx takes pictures as well.

If anything.. you cannot tell me the Delivery Driver didn't see the blood (if present) and wondered "Hmm thats not right" and either tried calling LE or trying to reach NG.

That makes me think the blood wasn't present.. no human would see that and think othersie. It was too much to not notice.

Delivery drivers move fast. Even if they noticed it, it wasn't like pools of blood and the door wasn't wide open or smashed in. They may have just assumed a cut finger or something and got on with their day.

 

[Napoli]

Agree. And while they still keep the communication going, there is hope the FBI can track them. If it goes silent, it makes it so much more difficult. And the person/s wanting the ransom, they need communication to stay open if there's hope of getting what they want. It was naive of them in the beginning to actually no further contact, that's not how these things work. There are details to sort out, negotiation or confirmation of life, etc

I STRONGLY DISAGREE. THE PERPS HAVE ALL THE POWER. PERIOD..FULL STOP. Negotiating with kidnappers is NOT how these things work. The perps have all the power whether it is a domestic kidnapping in Arizona or a taking of hostages in the Gaza strip. Here's the note and the conditions. ..comply or we kill...maim, whatever. Bitcoin wallet address was in the first note. How have the negotiations and "buying time" worked for the family thus far? They haven't. look to hostage taking in recent wars and see how that has worked. Even governments frequently cannot get their citizens back.

 

[pharmad]

Delivery drivers move fast. Even if they noticed it, it wasn't like pools of blood and the door wasn't wide open or smashed in. They may have just assumed a cut finger or something and got on with their day.

Oh I know, but maybe it could be a frequent driver.. doesn't hurt to try.

Driver might've took a picture of something "moved" or maybe nothing at all. I doubt the blood wasn't there previously, but maybe something was missed. Too much time before LE got there for the perp or whoever to go back and check things prior.

 

[osu]

it's still there ,no activity since 2016

That’s an older band page. There was a more recent ’Early Black’ band page (profile picture below) that was full of current posts and photos. That page has been removed.

 

[Strangeworld]

I STRONGLY DISAGREE. THE PERPS HAVE ALL THE POWER. PERIOD..FULL STOP. Negotiating with kidnappers is NOT how these things work. The perps have all the power whether it is a domestic kidnapping in Arizona or a taking of hostages in the Gaza strip. Here's the note and the conditions. ..comply or we kill...maim, whatever. Bitcoin wallet address was in the first note. How have the negotiations and "buying time" worked for the family thus far? They haven't. look to hostage taking in recent wars and see how that has worked. Even governments frequently cannot get their citizens back.

I get what you are saying, but by the very notion that a transaction needs to occur, and the other notion that it is not an automatic transaction, there is power on both sides. I'm not saying that there isn't a strong and often emotional motivation to appease a kidnapper's requests, but if it was complete power on their side, it would have been paid the minute the ransom note was received. Each party wants something, and negotiation is the process whereby each party tries to get their needs met. This is very obvious in the last video of the family.

The perception that they have full power is exactly what they WANT their targets to feel. But in reality, they don't have all the power.

 

[Fascinated1]

He's getting briefed by the FBI. I really do think they are making progress here. Vehicle was caught on camera somewhere and it's just a matter of piecing the footage from the cameras together. This was done early in the morning and this vehicle will stick out like a sore thumb.

I am starting to wonder if NO vehicle was caught on camera..which would also be telling. The activity at AG’s home is interesting. I am surprised that they released the presumed crime scene (NG’s house) so quickly-especially if no one is living there. Is that normal?

 

[rosesfromangels]

So firstly, imo POL has never been provided. I don't think the siblings have been made aware yet of the official direction the main investigation may be going... the appeal was to the kidnapper(s), whomever that may be.

It is possible, with all their digital forensics etc that FBI have just not been able to ascertain yet (definitively) whether ransom demands have come from actual abductor (or accomplice) in which case they have to support the family in going ahead with responses to the ransom notes. The siblings desperately want their mom returned, even if that means deceased and agreed to pay.

Return of Ms Guthrie is unlikely to happen, even if this is a genuine kidnap for ransom situation. Anyone that heartless to have undertaken such a heinous crime are unlikely to risk being captured by upholding their end of the bargain once they have the coin.

BBM. Agree. In the scenario I am speculating on, they would have to (and pardon the unpleasant thought here) unearth her. Even if they only supplied the location of her remains, that still in itself creates risk, due to any forensic evidence they may be able to obtain from the remains. Too risky. And quadruple that risk factor if they returned her alive. (Which I think is a very slim chance of happening).

Whatever maneuver this Perp was attempting failed. Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Napoli]

The Perps DO have full power. It's power over a life...it's not a mind game or what they want the family "to feel". Here we are. 1 week has passed. Absolutely no movement on the side of the perp's position and the family has wasted a week and possibly is NOW negotiating for a body. Notice that SG was wearing a black shirt in the latest instagram post. I think that was on purpose..JMO

 

[EstherElle]

Lots of families show a united front at first (even with Scott Peterson!) LE isn’t going to implicate anyone until confident they have a strong case. I don’t think it’s unusual that SG and AG are appearing together. MOO

 

[mikeshanty]

Any updates overnight?

 

[shonyakay]

If this is a homicide that occurred in the oldest daughter's home then how the whole timeline played out is probably way different then how I'd magined it from the get.

 

[maskedwoman]

As the daughter said, there is AI and many ways to create an image. The family, too, needs some solid guarantees. Right?
Maybe it is some scammer sitting far away and having no contact with their mother?

I dont think so. The Sheriff said there were things in the note that only the kidnapper would know. A scammed from far away would not know these things.

 

[zecats]

Going backwards a bit because I have just been lurking here and not posting, the weirdest thing to me from the beginning of this, as just a person with a close family and older grandparents around Nancy's age, is that she was brought back to the house, apparently, at almost 10pm (after arriving over four hours earlier at 5:30ish). I know people have different schedules, etc. but MOST people that age are in their home, if not in bed, by that time. It's just a biological thing for most older people. [Edit for details: They like to get into their Pjs, wash up, take out dentures ha, and sit in front of the Tv for a bit to wind down before going to bed].

We have my grandparents over for dinner often and it's usually a 5:30pm ish pickup, with a 7-8pm at the LATEST return home, we go in and make sure the temperature in the home is good if it's winter, that the lights are on, etc. No we don't have to do that/they would be fine on their own, but I think most people can attest to similar with older relatives, especially if they're not the best on their feet. Late at night they are usually tired.

So that stood out to me from the JUMP as a detail for a casual (four hour) family dinner down the road. The late return from dinner at the sister's... If she was dropped off at almost 10pm for most people that's not bed until 10:30. Which again is pretty late for an older person especially if she goes to church in the morning.

If you could have met my mom. 90 years old (5 months shy of 91) when she died a year and a half ago. Lived on her own (second floor) apartment, still drove, and pretty much to the end would go out to late dinners with us or even friends her age. Saturday nights were for the local pub and dinner, drinks and dancing.
NG had her Saturday night out with her family, and stayed overlong presumptively because after dinner involved game playing. And, since they lived close by, this could have been a regular thing. I see no reason for a bedtime stamp on older individuals. They all vary and manage what they’re able. Again, my mom normally stayed up later than I do most nights.

 

[Strangeworld]

The Perps DO have full power. It's power over a life...it's not a mind game or what they want the family "to feel". Here we are. 1 week has passed. Absolutely no movement on the side of the perp's position and the family has wasted a week and possibly is NOW negotiating for a body. Notice that SG was wearing a black shirt in the latest instagram post. I think that was on purpose..JMO

I think we might have to agree to disagree. But I can totally see what you are saying

She was also wearing a black shirt in the first video

 

[mikeshanty]

If this is a homicide that occurred in the oldest daughter's home then how the whole timeline played out is probably way different then how I imagined it from the get.

Is there anything you've seen that indicates that? E.g. searches at AG's house, care being towed away? The sheriff suggested those are standard steps in an investigation.