AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

  • #14,781
The last message from the family seems clear to me that they understand that NG is deceased and they are pleading and willing to pay to get her body home. If what is being reported that there is still no money in the bitcoin account I would also think that you would wait to deposit the ransom until the absolute latest you could in hopes that by some miracle NG is found before then. I think at this point there is a good chance they will pay if not only for the reason that it may give LE more data to try and solve this. I also think they did not pay the first ransom because they wanted proof of life but I don’t think they could be given that because NG was already deceased.
 
  • #14,782
Kidnapping/abducting an 84 year old woman makes no sense. Kidnapping/abducting for ransom makes even less sense. It defies logic. Way too much risk of death combined with the risk of getting caught during or after bitcoin transaction in such a high profile case.

I cannot fathom that this was the original plan. No one in their right mind would concoct this. It has to have started with something else (accidental/unintentional death maybe) and has perhaps morphed into this (ransom may be a distraction or misdirection). moo
 
  • #14,783
The FBI agent said it's likely someone who had worked on the house/in the house and knew what she had. Most people are very kind to workers, offering a cold drink, or bathroom use. Gives them a chance to case the house while the homeowner is unsuspecting. They went to rob her, and she woke up and that's when the original plan went sideways. He thinks it was a moronic split decision to take her and hatch the kidnapping plan. They didn't want to leave a witness, but maybe weren't prepared to murder her.

As far as the AG and SIL he said (starting at 23:00m approx). He said the focus on her house has to do with gathering evidence (digital info) about help AG hired for Nancy, all the electronics would be on Annie's stuff because she would have been the appointment maker since she's been doing this years and years. LE would view their house as almost an extension of Nancy's house because they were helping her, and why they were gathering info/evidence from there. He also said most people who are accused "lawyer up" and shut up. Elizabeth Smart's dad was a suspect, they look at and rule out the closest to the victim, and then move to the next ring of connection. Deep dive on Tomasso, he's a long time 6th grade teacher in the sciences, no criminal record and he said, "If they were hard up on money there would be a hell of a lot easier ways to get it, like robbing a bank than to do this. If you were really trying to get money from your 84 year old mom? Just wait a couple of years." The family doesn't fit the profile, he said.
They also could have used the same person to do work on both houses.
 
  • #14,784
Honestly if you look online- Tuscon and Phoenix are huge drug routes for the Sinoela/ cartels along with trafficking of guns etc. They use stash house and do have a pretty good presence
Honestly if you have lived in Tucson for 30 years and know how to spell it correctly, you know that there is not a “pretty good presence” of cartels in this city.
 
  • #14,785
I think she's asking for her mother's remains and that she knows she is deceased. Hope I'm wrong.

Amateur opinion and speculation on

I think she's asking for her mother's remains and that she knows she is deceased. Hope I'm wrong.

Amateur opinion and speculation only
So do I. The way it was worded and no message directed to Nancy. Nothing. A whole different demeanor with this video. So terribly sad.
 
  • #14,786
[Snipped for emphasis by me]

"If they were hard up on money there would be a hell of a lot easier ways to get it, like robbing a bank than to do this". The family doesn't fit the profile, he said.

He's putting the emphasis on premeditated crime, clearly.
LOL, he didn't qualify. He's retired FBI, meaning he's not a dumbbell. I hope that people following this train of thought take it to its conclusion. So they kill Nancy, then dispose of her body and create a kidnapping scheme to throw the rest of the family off the scent? Or did they just kill Nancy dump the body and someone else created the kidnapping scheme? How exactly did this go down? And what's the motive? Nancy was so difficult and a pain they couldn't take it anymore? *eye roll*
 
  • #14,787
That whole message is off.

"We received your message and we understand," Guthrie said in the brief video posted to Instagram. "We beg you now to return our mother to us so we can celebrate with her. This is the only way we will have peace. This is very valuable to us, and we will pay."

Why send a message that you're going to pay instead of just paying? Why refer to your mother as "this"? This is very valuable to us. What is "this"? It's distancing language, which is a little bizarre.

I thought the worlds "this" refers to having her back. (Having her back is the only way we will have peace.)
 
  • #14,788
I really hope at the next press conference, some reporter asks the sheriff to clarify if someone actually noticed Nancy not at church, either in person or online, if they called the family to notify them, at what time, and did the police interview that person. Otherwise this question is going to keep circulating non-stop with speculation, trying to fill in gaps, and no straight answer. It doesn't seem like it should be all that secretive. The sheriff mentioned it on his own at the very first press conference like it was no big deal. If he suddenly gets tight lipped, either something changed or he didn't have all his facts right the first time and now they're just keeping everything close to the vest.
I was actually SUPER surprised that this didn’t come up even once at the last presser. Everyone seemed overly giddy about the ransom demands instead.

moo.
 
  • #14,789
This feels like a hoax. Adult kidnappings are rare for the most part. When is the last time we heard about an adult or child being kidnapped for ransom?

Here are two I can recall and Wikipedia link:
Patty Hearst
Lindbergh baby

An 84 year old woman with mobility issues would not be the best option to kidnap, IMO. I understand the money aspect, but not with the hassles it would involve. No disrespect intended.
 
  • #14,790
The FBI agent said it's likely someone who had worked on the house/in the house and knew what she had. Most people are very kind to workers, offering a cold drink, or bathroom use. Gives them a chance to case the house while the homeowner is unsuspecting. They went to rob her, and she woke up and that's when the original plan went sideways. He thinks it was a moronic split decision to take her and hatch the kidnapping plan. They didn't want to leave a witness, but maybe weren't prepared to murder her.

As far as the AG and SIL he said (starting at 23:00m approx). He said the focus on her house has to do with gathering evidence (digital info) about help AG hired for Nancy, all the electronics would be on Annie's stuff because she would have been the appointment maker since she's been doing this years and years. LE would view their house as almost an extension of Nancy's house because they were helping her, and why they were gathering info/evidence from there. He also said most people who are accused "lawyer up" and shut up. Elizabeth Smart's dad was a suspect, they look at and rule out the closest to the victim, and then move to the next ring of connection. Deep dive on Tomasso, he's a long time 6th grade teacher in the sciences, no criminal record and he said, "If they were hard up on money there would be a hell of a lot easier ways to get it, like robbing a bank than to do this. If you were really trying to get money from your 84 year old mom? Just wait a couple of years." The family doesn't fit the profile, he said.
I was wondering if maybe they had used the same repair company or individual recently so there might be tools or other items in AGs garage that could rule in or out some outsider. It would make sense to use the same companies for home repairs, maintenance, and cleaning etc.
 
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  • #14,791
Been gone for some time but came back to see this: per TMZ
"A bitcoin account allegedly set up to accept funds in exchange for Savannah Guthrie's missing mother Nancy is still sitting empty Monday morning ... with time quickly winding down on an alleged deadline."
 
  • #14,792
It was deputies from the Sheriff Dept that were there on Friday night. Not FBI. As for why they would be there? Because they still have no clue where NG is and they are leaving no options off the table. If they didn't and they find/arrest/charge a perp, a defense attorney would have fun with them not looking at all angles. JMO

It should be noted that the only thing we saw them leave with was 1 brown paper bag, and that doesn't even mean it was evidence, it could have been their own garbage that they made sure to clean up and remove.
Thank you for responding.
 
  • #14,793
I think she's asking for her mother's remains and that she knows she is deceased. Hope I'm wrong.

Amateur opinion and speculation only
SG truly sounds defeated and she and her siblings look absolutely exhausted. I am cautiously optimistic and sincerely praying and remain hopeful for a positive outcome for Nancy and her family. MOO
 
  • #14,794
It's very common at churches for seniors and the elderly to have a buddy system to check on each other and it doesn't surprise me that someone would call her and then her family if she wasn't at church and didn't answer her phone or text back when contacted.
Doesn’t surprise me that a fellow church goer would call regarding NG‘s absence from church service. I don’t question that there wasn’t an actual call. I think there was. I would be surprised to find out the church call was actually from a church goer. IMO
 
  • #14,795
Honestly if you have lived in Tucson for 30 years and know how to spell it correctly, you know that there is not a “pretty good presence” of cartels in this city.
I just relocated to Tucson from San Diego, CA. I lived in Otay Mesa West for 21 years. I was so close to the US/Mexican border I was able to secure health insurance in Tijuana. I never saw drug cartel activity. I know it happens every day. I would have no clue what drug cartel behavor looks like. MOO
 
  • #14,796
Honestly if you have lived in Tucson for 30 years and know how to spell it correctly, you know that there is not a “pretty good presence” of cartels in this city.
Here's the google search I posted with my comment that was not carried over with your response
Sometimes we cannot see what's in our own "back yard"
I'll take facts over opinion any day
JMO

 
  • #14,797
LOL, he didn't qualify. He's FBI, meaning he's not a dumbbell. I hope that people following this train of thought take it to its conclusion. So they kill Nancy, then dispose of her body and create a kidnapping scheme to throw the rest of the family off the scent? Or did they just kill Nancy dump the body and someone else created the kidnapping scheme? How exactly did this go down? And what's the motive? Nancy was so difficult and a pain they couldn't take it anymore? *eye roll*
His words say otherwise. He's not interested in speculating further.

No, I've always said it was accidental and coverup.

Time will tell. I won't be speculating further.
 
  • #14,798
Been gone for some time but came back to see this: per TMZ
"A bitcoin account allegedly set up to accept funds in exchange for Savannah Guthrie's missing mother Nancy is still sitting empty Monday morning ... with time quickly winding down on an alleged deadline."
The 'kidnappers' could have changed the wallet address to make it different from the public one that everyone is now looking at--empty. It's not a BTC account its ONLY a wallet address that can be changed at any time.. I dunno why TMZ doesn't mention that part. duh. moo
 
  • #14,799
I really hope at the next press conference, some reporter asks the sheriff to clarify if someone actually noticed Nancy not at church, either in person or online, if they called the family to notify them, at what time, and did the police interview that person. Otherwise this question is going to keep circulating non-stop with speculation, trying to fill in gaps, and no straight answer. It doesn't seem like it should be all that secretive. The sheriff mentioned it on his own at the very first press conference like it was no big deal. If he suddenly gets tight lipped, either something changed or he didn't have all his facts right the first time and now they're just keeping everything close to the vest.

don't you think that would have been one of the first people they interviewed? and that it hasn't been clarified because it's not relevant? if it was important to the case, it would be one of the easiest leads to follow and we wouldn't be nine days into this case with three video pleas to a kidnapper and billboards all over the southwest.
 
  • #14,800
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Maybe the call never happened? Saying contacted/notified could be in person, email, text and by phone, but it seems it’s purposely worded vaguely]

I agree.
 

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