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It is not taped off because it was turned back over the family, and is therefore not restricted anymore. This generally happens far more quickly than people realise, sometimes within only hours, and Moscow should not be used as a yardstick. It is an anomaly.

MOO
Not that I have many experiences with crime scenes but I do have one recent experience that did get some media attention (though not nearly as much). Crime scene investigators were onsite for four days including a mobile command center type vehicle. They towed in a side-by-side (never saw them use it) and there was much activity for four entire days. And as far as anybody knows thus far, the perpetrator didn’t even step foot inside the house.

And I’m super put off by them continuing to ask neighbors for video. In my experience we had no less than three separate instances of folks coming directly to us to query about video and definitely saw them going door to door on numerous occasions.

This was in a much more rural type area so Tucson should not have any limitations with how many law enforcement / investigators available to them.

All that being said, I actually was quite shocked they had already released the house back to the family.
 
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Not all old people go to bed early!

9:45pm is not that late imo if they went out for a meal and then to play a few games. It’s not like she was walking home by herself she was dropped off by family.

From what’s been said I don’t think anything happened at 9:45 either as the sister was there then - I believe the suspect returned to the house later

In general, for sure. Plenty of elderly people stay up late and might be out later. No arguments there. 9:45 PM itself isn't strange. What I’m saying is that this specific night stands out because it’s part of the last confirmed timeline before everything went wrong. It's possible having her out at this time is part of the crime. IMO
 
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This is my first post sorry I'm new to this. Is there any chance that this lady willingly went with? I understand the reports that she was taken against her will, but I'm just curious if there was any motives on her side to join
While there have been cases where the victim was a willing participant, that appears highly unlikely with Nancy. The biggest reason is Nancy did not take her personal belongings or medications with her. Also, with her health concerns, she probably should not be up walking around late at night.
 
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It just seems like kidnapping an 84 year old immobile woman with many health issues would be a burden, unless the person gained something from her being gone.
I don’t disagree, I think it’s a family member also. That’s not really what I was saying
 
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Good morning. Nancy Guthrie is still #missing.
Refreshing some official statements of interest:-FBI is examining multiple cellphones for evidence -Sheriff says there is “no credible information indicating this was a targeted incident”-Sheriff says they have no suspects, but detectives are conducting interviews “with anyone who may have had contact with Mrs. Guthrie”

 
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the house + retirement is prob substantial.
We don't know what NG's get worth is? Could be many millions as I am sure she is wisely invested.
 
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What was the event or dinner that they attended that night? I wonder if hurtful words were exchanged and someone (perhaps under the influence) returned to take vengeance upon her.

can someone update us on what the outing was and who was there?
 
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This is my first post sorry I'm new to this. Is there any chance that this lady willingly went with? I understand the reports that she was taken against her will, but I'm just curious if there was any motives on her side to join

For me, that's a hard no. As an example, the blood outside her front door could suggest she was injured while being controlled. We of course don't know what the inside of the house looked like. IMO
 
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What was the event or dinner that they attended that night? I wonder if hurtful words were exchanged and someone (perhaps under the influence) returned to take vengeance upon her.

can someone update us on what the outing was and who was there?
To my knowledge - None of the specifics have been made public yet. I think the mahjong info came from one of her church friends.
 
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What was the event or dinner that they attended that night? I wonder if hurtful words were exchanged and someone (perhaps under the influence) returned to take vengeance upon her.

can someone update us on what the outing was and who was there?

N's Birthday???
If IRC.
 
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Random thought but ... Does the lack of search and rescue indicate that LE have significant hope/information that Nancy is alive and being kept somewhere?

When she was first reported missing they began searching the area.

Then something made them stop and put resources elsewhere.

Given how strange this situation is, I reckon their evidence that she left that house alive is very compelling.
 
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Random thought but ... Does the lack of search and rescue indicate that LE have significant hope/information that Nancy is alive and being kept somewhere?

When she was first reported missing they began searching the area.

Then something made them stop and put resources elsewhere.

Given how strange this situation is, I reckon their evidence that she left that house alive is very compelling.
I agree. I think there is hope.

I also think LE knows way more than yesterday's presser let on. Just a hunch (and hope).

jmopinion
 
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And yet their car was towed by LE, according to the Banfield report.

jmo
Hearsay at this point and if true, most likely volunteered to police- not under warrant- because as cooperating family members, you say “take anything you want”/you do anything to help move the investigation forward and locate your beloved mom.

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Maybe there is a garage door opener for Nancy’s garage which is normally in Annie’s car and has been misplaced/ they are checking to see if it was taken from the car?

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I’ve seen what these cases can do to innocent family members by the time they are “officially cleared” years later and it’s beyond ugly.
 
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Did you know that burglars will often come knock or ring at the door, and if nobody answers, they figure it's safe to go on in.
Burglars would rather take the path of least resistance so if windows and doors are all locked they probably wouldn’t get very far regardless if they tried knocking or ringing first. And if you open the door to a stranger whose to say they wouldn’t strong arm their way in. Nah I’m not answering the door if I’m not expecting a visitor or a package.

moo
 
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What’s usually the clause in life insurance policies for disappearances? I think suicides aren’t paid out if I recall correctly but is there some kind of waiting period if the person just disappears?

moo
I think they make you have the individual declared deceased before they pay out death benefits.
 
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Not all old people go to bed early!

9:45pm is not that late imo if they went out for a meal and then to play a few games. It’s not like she was walking home by herself she was dropped off by family.

From what’s been said I don’t think anything happened at 9:45 either as the sister was there then - I believe the suspect returned to the house later
Cou
I think they make you have the individual declared deceased before they pay out death benefits.
They need the death certificate which includes the cause of death etc,
 
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Wonder when video footage from cloud server will be available?.
 
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In the pictures from the NY Post article I count five FBI agents (although some may be other law enforcement). That seems like a lot if they're not there to process evidence of some kind.

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