AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[tricia]

There's a former crime scene investigator with an account on TikTok who discusses the blood outside the house here:

TikTok - Make Your Day

Normally we don't allow random TikTok accounts we will allow this TikTok video. Not all of their videos but this one is fine.

 

[Sessiebo]

But you're judging them and their reaction to being photographed at a time like this. Hmm. Jmo.

Yes i merely stated that i find it strange, also clearly stated it was just my opinion and wondered why they would do that. I don't want to go into it again, i just don't like "the pot calling the kettle.." situations
I just hope Nancy gets home safe, despite fearing the worst as time passes

 

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[MarciB]

But they aren’t denying, either.

exactly

 

[tori lights]

I feel this way too. I feel like someone was asking her for money and she refused and the person lost it and attacked her. Its someone she knows and likely had given money to before. Could be a landscaper or neighbor or family member...who knows. But the smashing of the cameras leads me to think someone was recorded going to her door. If it was a stranger that saw her at the grocery store or some such, I would think he would just cover up in all black and break in through the back. Not worry about all the cameras. And would also think he'd leave her there and not remove her. I really dont think this is a ransom thing either.

This makes the most sense to me as well.

 

[303gmf]

Sorry to butt in, but please agree to disagree and don't get into a fight, this thread is probably on thin ice as is already.

How so?

 

[Sadi]

Yes, thanks, I didn't think about that.

This feels specific and not a random, spur of the moment crime ?
Imo.

I do think it’s someone known to her, might not be directly, but someone who has a connection to her. They know what they were doing and had a reason for the timing etc. As far as the ransom, I have no idea if that’s related or if it’s someone else trying to get the ransom money. MOO

 

[knla]

Maybe someone incapacitated her earlier in the evening and came back at 2AM to move her. If they had killed her earlier there wouldn't be any blood drops.

 

[DrGonzo]

Normally we don't allow random TikTok accounts we will allow this TikTok video. Not all of their videos but this one is fine.

So, more like drops in one exact place and not a place where someone got hit? Wouldn't there be more blood in that exact place? Or those small droplets anywhere else? I'm no Dexter, just curious.
Edit: wanted to reply to the original post with the tiktok video, sorry

 

[mickey2942]

Maybe someone killed her earlier in the evening and came back at 2AM to move her body.

Wouldn't the Apple watch have recorded the lack of heart beat?

 

[Arkay]

I think it’s safe to say we are all individuals here, with different views and different habits, which don’t make any of us right or wrong.

I have the phone numbers of many of my parents’ neighbors since I live so far away from them, and they are sick and in their 90s.

But I also had phone numbers for all my daughter’s friends growing up, when it was still just landlines, and I have phone numbers for my eldest granddaughter’s friends, too, of course all cell phones now.

That’s what works for us.

Personally I am not a Banfield fan, but that’s just me. I have no idea if her info is correct or sensationalized.

We all share the identical hope that somehow, someway, Mrs. Guthrie will be rescued alive.

I don’t expect that, unfortunately.

I record the Today show every day and have done so for years, and it was what I watched while getting ready for work in the mornings. I don’t feel that I “know” Savannah, but I cannot conceive of her leaving Arizona while her mother is in jeopardy or worse.

JMO

 

[clearskies1]

Not sure what is going on here, but I don't think LE normally announces someone is a suspect unless they are on a manhunt. JMO.

 

[vereb]

How so?

Lots of sleuthing of family who have not officially been named as suspects or POI. I guess it's a bit of a grey area if an approved media source reports them as such, but then again, now LE has denied it.

 

[tori lights]

Wouldn't the Apple watch have recorded the lack of heart beat?

One of the posts in here said the pacemaker stopped connecting to the Apple Watch at 2am but I don’t know where that information came from.

 

[MarciB]

Maybe someone incapacitated her earlier in the evening and came back at 2AM to move her.

that's a thought, but the Apple Watch would have stopped earlier

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I think they are quoting the New York Post not the New York Times. Looks like Page 6 typoed And wrote NYT instead of NYP in the article you are quoting from. I looked for NYT reports making the same claims and did not find any. ICBW but I think NYP is the source here. Open to being corrected if anyone has a link to NYT reporting this.

Savannah Guthrie’s brother-in-law was the last person to see mom Nancy before she vanished

Savannah Guthrie’s brother-in-law, Tommaso Cioni, was the last person who saw Nancy Guthrie alive, authorities have said.

nypost.com

This is the quote taken from the PageSix article:
Cioni was the last person to see Nancy — despite previous reports it was Annie — as he was the one to drop his mother-in-law off at her house around 9:30 p.m. Saturday after dinner, according to the New York Times.

PageSix still could have "mis-quoted".. I've certainly seen enough typos in recent days in various Press!

 

[Charlot123]

Hi all new here! Here are my thoughts so far:

From a friend of someone who has met and interacted with NG, I've been told that Nancy had mobility issues but she was more than able to move around the house on her own.

I initially rejected the idea of it being someone in her family circle. If you are seeking inheritance or life insurance payout for an elderly relative with ongoing health issues. I'd imagine it's relatively easy to fake a natural death or just wait until she passes. There's not much incentive to stage an abduction and possibly murder them. Especially knowing with the family's name and resources that it would cause a thorough federal investigation.
But who knows- not all criminals are smart.

If the family intended to stage a kidnapping to demand money from SG due to personal grudges or wealth jealousy I would've hoped they would have slipped up by taking her pills from the house (we know the pills were left behind).

In terms of the blood evidence in front of house. I agree they look low viscosity meaning it dripped directly from the source of blood. The one concentrated area before the trail makes me think perhaps the abductor carrying NG, briefly paused to close the front door before heading towards a vehicle.

Something about this case really isnt adding up. I know LE keeps things close to their sleeve not to spook suspects but a little weird that nothing seems to be going right. Remember this isn't a murder investigation (yet) - this is an ABDUCTION well behind the 48-72 hour window. And unfortunately the outcome is looking more and more bleak for Nancy. I hope this is not the case and is returned safely.

JMO

I would agree. No one needs to take pills from the house, though.

I assumed that Nancy was on anticoagulants (I still think it could be the case, given the drops of blood + her pacemaker). In one of the articles, antihypertensive drugs were mentioned, however.

Yesterday (before I read about the car and all) I was thinking that the person clearly knew about the drug Nancy was on and either took some of them from her house or had a similar drug in their home.

Things become more complex with Coumadin, thought I, because then one has to buy a device to check PT. I dealt with this issue in the context of dad who was then taken to a lab, but it is highly possible that such things are sold on Amazon or even in the pharmacies. (I checked; they use Coag-Sense now. Modern anticoagulants like Xarelto do not need checking of PT. But if Nancy was on Coumadin, then recent purchase of PT/inr test online in the area where she lived could be of interest).

But if Nancy was not on anticoagulants, merely on antihypertensive drugs, the whole problem becomes easier. Who doesn’t have some extra medicines in the house? They are not controlled. Many (Atenolol/Metoprolol) are interchangeable, -sartans are not difficult to get either.

Plus, if someone who knows Nancy is involved, there is a valid reason to keep an old relative's meds at home.

I did not think of direct/indirect relatives at all. I wondered who might know of her meds, and how. This is when I thought of a person delivering from the pharmacy. But of course, it could be easier.

I still am not sure that SIL is involved. He has to get into drugs or gambling, or be in dire need of money, and seriously, for it.

 

[MadCowWisco]

This is the quote taken from the PageSix article:
Cioni was the last person to see Nancy — despite previous reports it was Annie — as he was the one to drop his mother-in-law off at her house around 9:30 p.m. Saturday after dinner, according to the New York Times.

PageSix still could have "mis-quoting".. I've certainly seen enough typos in recent days in various Press!

and the 9:30p timeframe is only known because that is the time that HE gave for the drop off. Is there any confirmation that this timeline is correct?

 

[thefragile7393]

Not sure what is going on here, but I don't think LE normally announces someone is a suspect unless they are on a manhunt. JMO.

or they are making an arrest

 

[303gmf]

Lots of sleuthing of family who have not officially been named as suspects or POI. I guess it's a bit of a grey area if an approved media source reports them as such, but then again, now LE has denied it.

Typically those receive deletes not an entire thread shut down