Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Deleted member 374811]

Interesting character, the SIL. In a punk band called Early Black that plays in the Tucson area. I read somewhere lyrics in the songs a bit disturbing, but trying to find them now. There are videos of him in the band online and indicating he is SG BIL. Just an interesting tidbit, not implying any type of association to the missing ma.

Italian guy, playing bass, working as a teacher. Not something super out of the ordinary, probably sticking out a bit in Tucson at the beginning. I've seen the "punk band disturbing" thing mentioned here a bit and it makes me feel like we're one step from claiming "satanism"...

 

[Charlot123]

I get stuck here too. I understand the camera that’s offline is of no use. But, are all cameras now offline because 1 is? The camera that alerted at 2:whatever …or any other camera in the house…why weren’t they functional?

There are different Nests. Hardwired or internet-based. Depending on how it was disabled. Maybe they disabled the wired outside ones, walked in and switched off the router. Then all of the cameras got off, one after another.

Same question. She probably did not install them herself. Who did?

 

[Sessiebo]

How are the surroundings in the area? Desert, lots of mines? Is it possible she is dumped (ugh i hate to use that word in relation to a human being but lack an alternative, i'm sorry) there and the whole ransom story is completely unrelated?
Which means the perp is long gone and it may take much longer to find her than hoped

 

[SlimPickens]

All that to say, no fricken clue what’s really going on.

Same. Just when I think I might be leaning one way, something pops up that turns me in another direction.

Case has had more twists than Chubby Checker's hips.

JMO.

 

[DS2021]

Worth noting -- it took LE about 30 seconds to find the idiot capitalizing on this family's grief. As far as we know, they haven't yet identified the sender of the other one, which suggests to me that that person took some decent counter measures... which makes me think it has a fair chance of being legit....

JMO

He didn't do much to conceal it. He used his own email to setup the burner number

quote from law enforcement docs



Law enforcement was able to determine through open-source methods that the 0552 Number was associated with a voice over internet protocol (VOIP) text and call application that allows users to obtain another phone number for their mobile device separate from the number assigned to them by their wireless carrier.

Law enforcement submitted an emergency disclosure request for the 0552 Number. Based on the records provided for the 0552 Number was registered to the following email address: (redacted by me). The records also indicated that the 0552 Number had been accessed from the following IP address: (redacted by me) (the "103 IP Address") at approximately 6:02 p.m. on February 4, 2026. Law enforcement submitted an emergency disclosure request to the internet provider for the 103 IP Address and determined that the 103 IP address was associated with CALLELLA's residence in California.

 

[Cardgame]

Think about what they were specific about and what they weren't, what they gave to us and what they didn't. They didn't need to tell us at all about the Uber driver. No one was even wondering about how she got to her daughter's house! This was them giving us something and even implying they cleared him/her. Then they don't include something in the timeline that always seemed to be - that someone from church notified family NG wasn't at church. Why NOT include this? Then they don't identify who brought her home from her daughter's. Very strategic in leading our attention, possibly distracting from things they don't want us to focus on, giving us something new (the Uber trip) so we may not feel they were holding back (like who notified the family in the first place?). Did anyone notify the family at all?

Yes, you've hit the nail on the head of something I've been feeling but not sure how to articulate.

Another thing that seems a little weird to me is that there have been 5 days during which the information circulating was that the family had waited an hour to call the police.

Where did that piece of information come from?

And then regarding the smashed cameras, Sheriff says things like 'I don't know where that information came from, we're not confirming or denying that'.

Re. Forced entry: 'I have no clue where that comes from. Whether it's forced entry or not forced entry. We're not discussing that'.

Are they inundated with fake ransom notes now?

Are these statements designed to help with the proof of life?

Like, they can ask these questions to anyone who gets in contact and then they can check info?

 

[Diddian]

So it appears the Uber driver, at approx. 5:32 pm, provided the last independent confirmation NG was alive. IMO

It seems to me is that provides the last independent confirmation NG was free, but not the last confirmation she was alive. According to the timeline provided in the LE press conference today, NG's pacemaker did not disconnect from the Watch/Phone app until 2:28 am. Isn't that an indicator that NG was alive at that time?

 

[ab01]

Worth noting -- it took LE about 30 seconds to find the idiot capitalizing on this family's grief. As far as we know, they haven't yet identified the sender of the other one, which suggests to me that that person took some decent counter measures... which makes me think it has a fair chance of being legit....

JMO

I mean the one was a text straight to the victims families phones, not really hard to trace and I don’t think the criminal was very bright tbh. The other was thru anonymous emails send to news organizations. I’d conclude they would be harder to trace the origins of those. I’m not sure that makes the veracity of it any more likely to be authentic. jmo

 

[txsleuth70]

I've seen at least one high profile case with a very questionable "ransom note" that seems to have somehow filled in that hole and allowed responsible parties to avoid getting stuck in it.

Uh, yeah. Did anyone check the basement?

 

[Black eyed pea]

Remembering the elderly Menard couple. Disappeared from their Calif home in a nudist resort. Turned out their neighbor had some grudge & hid the couple in a bunker he'd constructed beneath his home.

This! That’s why I brought up the question of golf carts in that community. They are quiet & can get in and around places that a car can’t to transport a person with mobility issues.

 

[Magic8Ball]

In cases of SA where a victim is attacked inside their own home, how common is it for the the perp to remove them from the home afterward?

There's no way she left that home alive if this was a SA.

JMO.

 

[Chimera]

This is very strange to me.

Well yes to some, and maybe no ?
If Nancy was semi-independent, which it appears to be that way, she might have wanted to make all of her own decisions, i.e., : "Hey, I'll get an Uber over there, you can drive me home after, sounds good, great ."
That type of thing.
Imo.

 

[Gemmie]

How are the surroundings in the area? Desert, lots of mines? Is it possible she is dumped (ugh i hate to use that word in relation to a human being but lack an alternative, i'm sorry) there and the whole ransom story is completely unrelated?
Which means the perp is long gone and it may take much longer to find her than hoped

What would their purpose be for abducting her then? I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm trying to figure out a reason for taking the poor woman against her will if not for money. A thrill kill? Was it going to be a robbery that went wrong and he hurt and took her because she saw his face? Maybe even recognized him?

If the intent was sexual, she'd have been raped and left behind. Taking a person and not getting caught isn't the easiest thing to do.

Did he know who she was? As in... who her daughter was? Did he know if she had money? Or was this just some random attack and it could have been anyone and she lost the eeny meeny miny moe count?

 

[you betcha]

I mean the one was a text straight to the victims families phones, not really hard to trace and I don’t think the criminal was very bright tbh. The other was thru anonymous emails send to news organizations. I’d conclude they would be harder to trace the origins of those. I’m not sure that makes the veracity of it any more likely to be authentic. jmo

I'm so glad the cops had to waste time and energy dealing with this moron.

 

[amelia65452]

Anyone have a theory as to why/how the floodlight was broken? I would imagine if the perp wanted to conceal the porch in darkness they would just unscrew the lightbulb, not break it?

I am not sure it was stated anywhere that it was specifically broken. During the press conference today, he just specifically mentioned the floodlight. Could be a detail that it was possibly on or off, maybe light bulb out of it, possibly broken, etc.

 

[MesquiteO21]

I don’t know.

Someone argue me. What evidence is there to show this is someone who was close to her vs something like a SA gone wrong

I’ve been all over the place with this one so I don’t even know. But you have stats — most people are killed by someone they know in some capacity. True Kidnappings for ransom (meaning the victim is kept alive) are also pretty rare. Removing the body of an elderly woman doesn’t make a lot of sense if the crime was a robbery gone wrong—taking a body you weren’t expecting to take is major work. Removing the body if it was sexually motivated doesn’t make a lot of sense either and is also rare I believe.

From the timeline we saw today, the perp(s) was at the house for at least 40 minutes. Not impossible for a random stranger crime but would fit more with someone who has been at the house before and feel comfortable with it.

I’m keeping all options open though

moo

 

[Arkay]

Having said that, I agree with the person way, way, way back who said Nancy was fairly exposed as the mother of a high-profile person with whom she also occasionally appeared on TV with, including a segment a couple of months ago highlighting their Tucson hometown. I would think that Savannah might have pushed for more security, although maybe she did and Nancy refused. It's something I don't have to think much about as my 82-year-old mother is a worrywart with every camera, light, and doorbell subscription she can think of.

Still struggling to catch up, and thank you to the many here who posted recaps of the presser for those of us unable to watch today.

This post caught my attention, as I have been feeling all along that amidst the grief and fear, Savannah is likely, IMO, to be feeling a lot of guilt.

As a loving daughter, she put a spotlight on her mother. Her intentions were all love and pride for her sweet mother, but now she may feel that it’s her fault her mother’s life was exposed to the public.

That, plus possibly feeling that Savannah’s position as an anchor of a national news program induced some vile person, or two, to view Nancy as a victim whose daughter would pay any amount to rescue her.

Just conjecture.

 

[academyrd]

More son-in-law than anything. Ashleigh Banfield said that a source close to the investigation told her that he was a prime suspect, and his car had been seized.

Here's the problem though, that's exactly what you'd expect. He and Savannah's sister were the last people confirmed to have seen Nancy, and they'd absolutely be looked at first.

You'd expect interviews, phone downloads, perhaps requests for DNA, etc. You'd also expect them to be asked to allow their car to be inspected, and a search warrant to be obtained if they declined (might get one anyway).

So I see this as pretty reckless reporting, as there's a good chance this is being overblown.

Would I be shocked if he was ultimately found to be involved? No. But the longer this goes on, the less likely that possibility seems.

Not sure what that structure is, but we've heard of no-one living on that property other than her.

Banfield is a legitimate reporter with a large audience who understands the stakes here. And yet here she is still tripling down on SIL. And here are the police not yet clearing him and dancing around questions that are directly related to Banfield’s report. The longer this goes on and no walk back from Banfield, it’s becoming extremely likely she had it nailed. I’ll eat my crow if I’m wrong you can rub my nose in it, but right now it’s looking like 90% chance SIL is our perp.

 

[MassGuy]

In cases of SA where a victim is attacked inside their own home, how common is it for the the perp to remove them from the home afterward?

There's no way she left that home alive if this was a SA.

JMO.

You remove them if you’re close to the victim (want to conceal a crime), or if there’s evidence of SA.

A couple of us have been discussing a particular case where some guy who had painted this woman’s house returned weeks later, broke in, sexually assaulted and murdered her, and dumped her body in a remote area.

Geofencing gave them his name, and dna nailed him. He eventually led them to the body.

Here, it makes sense if it’s that particular person.

If it’s not that person, then I’ve got to believe the most likely option is the latter (sexually motivated crime).

 

[Aquabot13]

Could the ransom deadline today be for a smaller amount, and if they wait until the follow-up deadline, they multiply their demands? The two deadlines is odd.

Would be an interesting strategy to give an earlybird discount on a ransom. The phased approach makes me more convinced that the ransom is to buy time for/draw attention away from the perp, rather than the original intent of the kidnapping.

MOO