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I believe the garage door opened and closed at the time the fam said they brought her home
But that doesn't necessarily mean she opened it or actually came home. Just really trying to think of all scenarios at this point
 
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Been away for a few hours. How did sexual assault enter this conversation?
 
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I think it’s a general question, nothing more than that.
Ita. ^^^

And, am fairly certain the police have a handle on the possible perps, but still question the motive and most of all, where is Nancy ? 😭
Hoping for an update soon !
 
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Nancy Grace often gets things wrong. She is on now talking about INSIDE CAMERAS that were discussed in the presser. I believe only cameras are at the doors outside correct? She also is stating they have missed today's deadline of 5pm when it is only 3:35pm in Tucson. She is a real loony. Did I miss something about inside cameras or any Nancy Grace calls them "nannycams"
I don’t think it was verified about the inside camera’s purposely. IMO
 
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But that doesn't necessarily mean she opened it or actually came home. Just really trying to think of all scenarios at this point
I’m not sure it does mean that but Nanos said something like that is pretty close to when family said they brought her home. My paraphrase.
 
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That’s what’s bothering me.

Logically, he’s suspect number one in investigator’s minds, and my mind too.

You’re going to have his phone data, surveillance footage from his neighborhood, almost certainly dna in his car, and perhaps other places.

Even if they don’t have anything rock solid (allowing for an arrest), it should be solid enough that you don’t have to allow the family to go through the devastation of filming that plea to the kidnappers.

One would think anyway.

That’s why I’m exploring other possibilities (random offender), but I’ve still got that on my mind because it makes the most sense.

Maybe there’s lab results and other things still outstanding.

But those things are certainly being expedited!

Points and counterpoints all over the place.

Is it possible that they think this is some kind of orchestrated plan, ie there are people involved who didn't do the deed itself? Maybe there's something to suggest that inside information was needed, or people with something obvious to gain. But all the 'insiders' appear clear.

Another thing I noticed from the presser was that the FBI guy was asked something like 'what kind of criminal are we looking for?' ie he was asked for a kind of 'profile'. He quite purposefully refused to be drawn on that question.
 
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They could see where the phone was, approximately.
True, think that can be detected even if location us turned off on a phone. I keep my location off just to save my battery
 
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Yes, you've hit the nail on the head of something I've been feeling but not sure how to articulate.

Another thing that seems a little weird to me is that there have been 5 days during which the information circulating was that the family had waited an hour to call the police.

Where did that piece of information come from?

And then regarding the smashed cameras, Sheriff says things like 'I don't know where that information came from, we're not confirming or denying that'.

Re. Forced entry: 'I have no clue where that comes from. Whether it's forced entry or not forced entry. We're not discussing that'.

Are they inundated with fake ransom notes now?

Are these statements designed to help with the proof of life?

Like, they can ask these questions to anyone who gets in contact and then they can check info?
Re: call to police, question if one hour gap was a long time. I think first looking around in the house, pool, yard, neighborhood for an hour is very reasonable.

They may have seen some blood, but at first, it did not register as anything sinister.

Maybe they thought she had an injury, wandered off, nothing serious, would find nearby.
Just a guess.
 
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when you look at motive a big inheritance from NG has to have family looked at very closely. Obviously SG and husband do not need the money, Camron in another state and you are left with Annie and husband.
NG is 84 and not in very good health all things considered. They would have to be very desperate and on a very short timeline to do sth like this. AG's husband is known to have a job as a teacher. I assume it's not the best paying job out there but at least it's a job and it's somewhat stable. Do we know what AG is doing for a living?
 
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But that doesn't necessarily mean she opened it or actually came home. Just really trying to think of all scenarios at this point
Exactly. We have apps on our phones for my garage doors. I can open and close them from anywhere.
 
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But that doesn't necessarily mean she opened it or actually came home. Just really trying to think of all scenarios at this point
Was curious if Nancy regularly went into the home via her garage, or used another entrance ?
Since she was driven home, there'd be no need to open the garage door, unless again it was used as an entryway ?
Questions about that.
Imo.
 
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Uber picked her up, son-in-law brought her home
Hi LifeAsAHouse.
The sheriff refused to say who drove Nancy home. He would only say "family member."
Is that in itself a clue? Why not say who drove her home? Then again, maybe the sheriff is trying to take the focus off this person, whom they don't consider a suspect.
I DON'T KNOW. Just thinking outloud which should frighten everyone. heh.
 
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Was curious if Nancy regularly went into the home via her garage, or used another entrance ?
Since she was driven home, there'd be no need to open the garage door, unless again it was used as an entryway ?
Questions about that.
Imo.
Agree! Thinking about what hasn't been said...I'm certain they are working behind the scenes tracking all locations from what has been said
 
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Thank you for going through all of that. That was my post. It will be interesting to know when the ransom letters came in and if it was before all of the photos were circulating online showing her smart watch - AZ - Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026
I tried narrowing down a google search with the dates, but it didn't work well because most news/blogs update so hard to see when the information was originally there or added.

I am sure the FBI has a better idea and is the reason it's being taken seriously.

I also think there was more information than just that in the note though, so combined information that only someone that was there would know, may be why they are taking it so seriously.
 
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Another poster mentioned the possibility of landscapers and house cleaners. This core group may have some additional rings that may need to be run down.

Ring one: The contractors themselves as well as assistants or periodic substitutes when the primary contractor cannot be there.

Ring two: Might include bad news husbands, boyfriends or brothers of a contractor who may of been told in passing something like: Hey, ever watch the Today show? Guess what= I do her mother's house on Thursdays, She is so nice. Wheels start turning in wrong directions.

Ring Three: Maybe bad news and desperate type people from areas where the contractors live who might have heard something from somebody. In the age of "Any Who" net based people finding services and dozens competitors, it might not take much computer talent for "Meth Mike" to confirm a "Heard it from a friend, who heard it from a friend" fragmented information and hatch a plan.
This happened twice (in two different houses) to a friend - "random" break-ins that ended up being people adjacent to crews she had working on her house (different crews).

In both of those situations, though, it was a very straightforward in-and-out robbery. One entered through an unlocked door where they grabbed a highly visible TV, and one picked a lock and grabbed some easily accessible cell phones.

The violence and presumed planning here leads me to suspect someone with more of a personal connection to NG. It could explain the weird ransom situation if it was a stranger in over their head, but I'd think they'd be caught quickly (like the fake ransom guy) when up against the FBI, especially if the kidnapping was an afterthought and they didn't have time to plan to cover their tracks.

MOO
 
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Re: call to police, question if one hour gap was a long time. I think first looking around in the house, pool, yard, neighborhood for an hour is very reasonable.

They may have seen some blood, but at first, it did not register as anything sinister.

Maybe they thought she had an injury, wandered off, nothing serious, would find nearby.
Just a guess.

Ah, sorry if my post was unclear.

The information that they waited an hour has now been corrected. They waited only a short time before calling LE.

I'm wondering where that misinformation came from, and why it hasn't been corrected by LE (or anyone else) before now?
 
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Morgan Wright, CEO of National Center for Open and Unsolved Cases: "We learned that we can narrow it down to where a censor was triggered on one of the cameras.

We know that we have a pacemaker that pinged the phone, that it went off, and the next time it tried to ping — it didn't. So we actually have even more of a timeline we can compress between the last active ping, and then the failed ping where she obviously appears wasn't near the phone."

 
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Is this press conference the first time we have heard about this 'floodlight'?

How did I manage to miss that?

A broken floodlight?
 

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