AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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How do you all feel? Do you think NG is alive? I hope so, but worry.
IMO, I'm praying she is, it's the best case scenario and would love nothing more however there are so many other issues happening at the same time and honestly some may actually not even have happened but MSM are talking about it so it gets confusing and messy. I honestly don't think she is, I can't see why she would be at this point, if she's being held hostage then why not send some form of proof of life so that he/she gets the $, Why say " I want the ransom by Thursday and if not then by Monday? ( who gives that kind of open date with no rush?) The FBI is involved, why not Friday, Saturday/Sunday? They could make it happen, even President Trump ( I'm not talking politics) offerered any assistance that would be needed. This is just to sloppy IMO
 
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If the kidnapping was real, targeted, carefully planned and all about money, surely among all that careful planning the perp would have known he would be asked to provide proof of life or some sort of evidence about her welfare, condition, location. Something to prove he actually had her. Something to make his chances of getting the money infinitely higher. The fact he clearly didn't consider that and doesn't seem to have anything he can use, is another reason I don't believe this was some random kidnapper and I don't think this was a kidnapping. No way would you go through all that, take that risk and then be all "oh yeah give me cash tomorrow, or next week, whenever you like really" and then just write it off as a bad day at the office if it doesn't work out for you.

It reeks of clumsy afterthought.
 
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Has there ever been a legitimate kidnapping for ransom where the family paid and the victim was let go alive?
I just saw a thing on ….maybe it was News Nation…. Frank Sinatra’s son, Calvin Klein’s daughter, cal Ripken’s mom. They almost always catch the perp anyway. (Iirc they did not in the Ripken case)

Edited - sorry no ransom paid in the Ripken case I was wrong
 
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Really would like a new thread!!
Yeah I noticed WS has stopped splitting threads when they reach 50 pages. Policy change?
 
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Savanna’s dad died when she was 16. It’s been reported that she went to college locally and lived at home due to the dorm expenses being unaffordable. I imagine Savanna has been very gracious with her mother over the years.
what I saw reported is she stayed. at home and went to local college as she did not want to leave her mother alone. Maybe also finances were tight but that was early on.
 
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I may be reading too much in to this, but I find it curious that Craig Melvin (SG's co-host) will not be going to Milan to cover the Olympics. The most realistic assumption is that he is staying stateside in solidarity with SG... but that seems odd to me. There has been no mention as to why he's staying, just they they had to shuffle things around. Does he feel unsafe or concerned for people in his circle?
Maybe I’m projecting what my reaction would be, and I’m certainly not a broadcasting pro… at this time :)

But perhaps… devastated. Paralyzed. Unable to function halfway normally. To even consider traveling across the sea to cover a huge international event when his beloved work partner is trapped in hell.

Yes, and well-founded fear, a good possibility. I’d want to stay close to my loved ones.

IMO
 
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Has there ever been a legitimate kidnapping for ransom where the family paid and the victim was let go alive?
Frank Sinatra Jr. Is the only case I can think of off-hand. I think it's pretty rare.
 
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You are mostly correct about how cloud based cameras work, but there are a few technical nuances worth mentioning.

With systems like Ring and Nest, the primary video storage is in the cloud, not on the device itself. The camera typically maintains only a very small rolling buffer in volatile memory for motion detection and clip creation. If power is lost or the device is removed, that temporary buffer is usually cleared and does not function as true local storage.

However, physical possession of the camera does not necessarily mean footage is lost. In many cases, useful evidence can still exist elsewhere in the system. For example, if the camera was actively connected before being disabled or removed, any recorded clips that were already uploaded would still exist in the cloud account. Motion event timestamps, device activity logs, connection interruptions, and last online times are often preserved server side and can help investigators establish timing even if no usable video remains.

There are also edge scenarios where limited data might persist. Some cameras briefly cache fragments before upload, some hubs or base stations maintain small amounts of metadata, and network infrastructure such as routers can sometimes show when a device disconnected. Even without video, these technical artifacts can help narrow the event window.

So while it is true that most cloud cameras do not provide meaningful local video recovery after removal, the device itself can still be relevant for logs, pairing information, timestamps, and forensic correlation with cloud records. In many investigations, timing and connectivity data end up being just as important as the footage itself.
Even without a current subscription/cloud account?
 
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Next person who asks why the dog (or any dog in any case) didn’t bark gets a lifetime ban
Lol any dog in any case…websleuths is a pro-canine site! 🐶 (Right Tricia?😁😉)
moo (and woof)
 
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i watched Harvey Levin and he understands the stakes here and thankfully is not releasing that info on location of Apple watch. Based on his experience with lots of crazy things he seems to think this is credible.
Here it is on CNN
device ok x ft
 
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according to google SG has a NW of 40m with annual salary of 8m, it's reported the ransom is in the millions. She has the money, the criminals in this case seem to be somewhat sophisticated not bumblings idiots. I say pay the ransom, the criminals will eventually be caught either way, so the downside of paying the ransom does not seem high.

If the criminals get all the money they’re demanding, what is their motive to keep Nancy alive and return her safely?

If she’s already deceased they’re certainly not going to share that, and if she’s released unharmed she’d be able to describe her captors.

This is part of why this is a gut-wrenching situation. Once Nancy was taken, all the power is in the hands of the criminals.

If this whole thing is actually true, this person is not going to allow NG to give any form of info to ID this schmuck. Very dangerous situation, I don't think it would matter if they pay the whole thing or 1/2. IMO

Agree.

JMO
 
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Re "someone" waiting for an inheritance, some folks said or implied that they wouldn't have to wait much longer anyway to inherit from a frail 84 year old. That may have been the case once, but I don't think it is today. Nursing homes these days are full of 90 year olds, mostly women. If someone needs an inheritance, they probably need it now, urgently. Maybe they have big debts. And for every day the old person keeps living, the "someone" becomes more impatient and even angry.
 
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It actually happens all the time. I can think of two recent cases where family members continued to live in bloody crime scenes, and CSI teams had to return multiple times during that period (it made no difference in the end).

Here it looks like the search is located outside the house, which isn't as bad.

Yes. In today's press conference, Nanos stated that the blood out front belonged to NG.
 
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Has there ever been a legitimate kidnapping for ransom where the family paid and the victim was let go alive?
There are. They're not famous, but connected through family/work to lots of money. Insurance usually pays. The cartels target them. If they didn't return them alive, they wouldn't be able to continue the extortion/kidnappings.
 
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I just saw a thing on ….maybe it was News Nation…. Frank Sinatra’s son, Calvin Klein’s daughter, cal Ripken’s mom. They almost always catch the perp anyway. (Iirc they did not in the Ripken case)
Cal Ripken's mom is an interesting comparison.

74 years old at the time. Kidnapped from her home, driven around for 24 hours, seemed like the kidnapper wanted money, but changed his mind and brought her back safely/discreetly. Still hasn't been caught. Some people think the story was fishy, but the kidnapper was caught on CCTV and someone called 911 after seeing Cal's mom blindfolded in the back of the car, so something did at least go down. Of course, it's unusual in that she was only kidnapped for a day and returned safely... whereas it's been 5 days for Nancy. 😞

So, abductions/kidnappings like this are unusual, but certainly not entirely unheard of. Could be something similar with Nancy, but who knows... the blood is certainly alarming.
 
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what I saw reported is she stayed. at home and went to local college as she did not want to leave her mother alone. Maybe also finances were tight but that was early on.
That said, the ‘local college’ wasn’t some podunk school, it is the University of Arizona which is a large RI university, an NCAA division 1 school playing in the Big 12 conference, and has 10s of thousands of students. She was in a sorority and graduated with a journalism degree. I mapped it the other day it’s about seven miles away.
 
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The perps could be long gone. NG could be locked up somewhere remote with a certain amount of food and meds and they are watching her. They could release a lock with a code from anywhere. This has been well thought out so far. It's possible she can not identify anyone.
I did think of that scenario as a possibility - I truly hope she makes it out of this alive - it just doesn’t seem very likely to me. Hopefully I’m wrong
 
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Maybe I watch too many movies, but i thought that they might alleviate her of a body part if no $$ by today and then unalive her if nothing by Monday....
I was thinking if they keep asking for proof of life, they will get a finger, but I did not post that as it is gruesome and it really does not prove anything ultimately. : (
 
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If the criminals get all the money they’re demanding, what is their motive to keep Nancy alive and return her safely?

If she’s already deceased they’re certainly not going to share that, and if she’s released unharmed she’d be able to describe her captors.

This is part of why this is a gut-wrenching situation.



Agree.

JMO
Unless they made sure she cannot identify them, nor her place of confinement.
So hope it's the case, but a long shot imo
 

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