AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[LMDlong]

I wonder if the abductor (s) opened the car to look for a spare key or to access the opening and closing of the garage door when leaving with NG .

 

[toucan1234]

Is it possible that this was never a kidnapping , but an attempt to cover up a murder?

Many murdered people start out as missing…

 

[MassGuy]

Is it possible that this was never a kidnapping , but an attempt to cover up a murder?

Absolutely. But there are two possibilities as I see it.

The first is a murder, and some random person decided to take advantage when they were exposed to wall to wall coverage of Nancy being "kidnapped."

The second is an effort to misdirect law enforcement, done by the killer.

 

[moonbeams]

Just speculating, but if someone else drove NG's car back to her home and put it in the garage, it might explain why LE is looking for Tesla video from cars that may have passed the vehicle, as that would definitively prove who was behind the wheel and at what time. Perhaps the Circle K video showed NG's car passing the store, and LE noticed at least one Tesla nearby. Pure conjecture on my part, so take it with a grain of salt, fwiw.

if that's the case then LE purposely left all those garage door openings off the time line.... or it's not possible since there was only the one opening and one closing of the garage door at the time NG got home from dinner.

 

[SRWCF]

Also spacing could be a clue. I learned to type on a typewriter and have had to unlearn putting two spaces after a period. I’m early 50s…

I am 53 and refuse to unlearn that most necessary skill of the double space! All kidding aside, you make a good observation about spacing.

 

[DS2021]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2019931108515938791

Source for my warrant post

 

[CuriousCricket]

If her phone was indeed in her car that makes no sense. She didn’t take her car to dinner so why would her phone be in tjere

My guess is that she left her phone in the car to be sure she always had one on the road. Perhaps she had forgotten her phone a time or two and had an emergency. To prevent a repeat, leaving the phone inside the vehicle solved the problem.

 

[whitelilac]

Where was it said her cell was in the car. I totally missed that.

Phone in the car......I had seen that statement on a video, PC or article ?? earlier, and it stuck in my mind as it didn't make sense.
I looked for it for a long time but could not find the source.
So I dismissed it as maybe having dreamt it.

 

[MassGuy]

Has LE towed NG’s car previously? Or is this the first time it’s been removed to be processed elsewhere? If the latter, I’d be interested to know why they are doing it now — have they located information which leads them to believe the car may have played a role in the crime somehow?

They have not towed that car previously, to the best of my knowledge.

And yes, I think that's a very real possibility. They came back today with an updated search warrant, and this was included for a reason.

 

[katydid23]

Just my opinion, but maybe LE got some evidence results back from labs and now are curious to see whose dna is primary on the steering wheel. I've always thought it odd NG's cell phone was in the car, when it seems most people would have their phone in the house with them. Just my random thoughts/guesses, fwiw.

That's true about her phone. Odd it would be in her car since she ubered to the dinner. She had her phone to contact uber. I'd assume she'd have it on her when Uber arrived to pick her up.

So she'd have it at dinner and then when her SIL/BIL drove her back home. HOW did it end up in her car ?

I'd think she would keep it with her when she went back home and went inside. I'd want it with me, home alone in a big house all night. So when did it get placed into her car?

 

[MassGuy]

I get your drift. I'm 85% on the same page.
However, I wish POTUS hadn't made those comments as it might spook the perpetrator who could react in an unfavorable way somehow.

Yeah, I'm not saying that was a good thing for him to say, but based on that and what we're seeing, I think that aspect of it is a good thing.

Positive signs.

 

[gammagirl]

They look like Reolink cameras and solar panels, but there are other brands on Amazon that look very similar.

How could these have been missed? This is like forensics 101.

 

[moonbeams]

My guess is that she left her phone in the car to be sure she always had one on the road. Perhaps she had forgotten her phone a time or two and had an emergency. To prevent a repeat, leaving the phone inside the vehicle solved the problem.

but don't you need your phone for uber? i would think she would have her phone with her when she left her house. my 87 year old mother always took her cell with her when she left the house!

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

Also spacing could be a clue. I learned to type on a typewriter and have had to unlearn putting two spaces after a period. I’m early 50s…

Using AI to mask one's writing style is done by people when they don't want their writing recognized by others.

 

[txsleuth70]

I haven’t seen anything about how they have those times either.

Phone App from garage door opener. Our Genie has this capability. Can open/close the garage door from our phones, it timestamps on the app.

 

[SRWCF]

On paper, they can bring in writing analysts, they can examine the paper and where it is sold from and dusted for fingerprints...etc...

Using the computer to send ransom notes is so much hard or nearly impossible to trace.

I don't think fingerprinting is really even used anymore with the advances of DNA. It's a pretty unreliable and outdated science.

 

[shonyakay]

If the garage door opened and closed within minutes of 9PM, that means someone could have gotten into her house via the interior garage door before Nancy was dropped off. I don't know the timing of the garage door openings and closings, though. Opened and closed once, twice, what times? With the remote, or by releasing the drive and opening it by hand? Does opening it by hand log anywhere? So say someone got in at 9 PM, then took Nancy out at 2:30 ish AM but opened the garage by releasing the drive and it didn't log anywhere? Just my thoughts.

Per Sheriff Nanos 9:48 p.m. - Family drops Nancy off at home & garage door opens.

9:50 p.m. - Garage door closes.

 

[citizen_sleuth]

They have not towed that car previously, to the best of my knowledge.

And yes, I think that's a very real possibility. They came back today with an updated search warrant, and this was included for a reason.

I’m not sure what make and model her car is, but if it’s a newer model they may be able to run digital forensics on the built-in GPS and navigation systems to reconstruct the car’s movements. If the car is equipped with Bluetooth, they may be able to extract which devices connected to the car and when. MOO.

 

[keek]

Phone in the car......I had seen that statement on a video, PC or article ?? earlier, and it stuck in my mind as it didn't make sense.
I looked for it for a long time but could not find the source.
So I dismissed it as maybe having dreamt it.

I saw the same thing that her phone was in her car and I thought that she forgot it there previous use of car. Lots of people use Ipads which I think you can use as a phone as well? IMO

 

[whitelilac]

Is it possible that this was never a kidnapping , but an attempt to cover up a murder?

Yes. IMO the ransom business was a deflection.