AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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My opinion, SIL set this up without wife's knowledge. Bad marriage, etc. Hope I am wrong but not sure what else makes sense.
 
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Sheriff Nanos is getting the rights to the Benny Hill Show music for his next press conference.
 
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rsbm

Actually they do know she left that house alive. She left in an Uber.

The bigger question is - did she ever return?

moo.
The timeline shows that she did.

Her pacemaker cannot be synced until around 2am, unless she was present then.
 
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Yes, and that publication date is Feb 3, 2026.

On Feb 6, 2026 News Nation stated it was actually found in her home.
I don't have an opinion one way or the other about the phone's location, but it states that the phone was found at the home, not in it. I take it that they are telling the reader that NG did not take the phone with her. If the phone was in her car, it was at the home.
 
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For some reason, I am leaning towards the ransom being legitimate. At first, I agreed with others that it seemed like an opportunistic scammer, but the police are still taking it seriously. The details included in the ransom would be easy to verify or dismiss, and the fact they are still investigating it this deeply says to me there’s something in there that aligns with what they believe happened. JMO
I agree. If they are taking it seriously so am I.
 
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Solid possibility.
Respectfully….no. It’s not. Cartels are not interested in a random American tv host and her mom who they have no ties to. they have their picks of people who work for them, owe them money, don’t pay debts, cross them in some way. We have to be realistic IMO.
 
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I'm kind of tired of the ransom/proof of life topic, so I am going to try to stop after this post. And also I don't know why I am defending the validity of the ransom note when I am not even convinced myself that it's real. But.....

I really think people are clinging too rigidly to "proof of life" as an indicator of whether the note is real or not. Kidnappers and ransomers do not have a strict standard operating procedure they adhere to. They do not have a code of conduct. They do not have a script they are following. This is not a movie, and the ransomers are not robots. They are each individuals, most of whom are probably mentally unwell, desperate, or both, and who are not necessarily easily predictable. You can not assume that they will just do the thing that seems to obvious, or that "any kidnapper would do." IMHO it's completely nonsensical to dismiss the ransom note out of hand just because they haven't provided proof of life.

I get why one would want proof of life before paying a ransom. I do. It makes complete sense.

But it makes just as much sense for the ransomer to want to divulge as little information as possible. They are clearly very aware of how things can be traced. I'm not even talking about metadata in photos or videos - that stuff is trivial to strip off. But even a single missed detail in the background of a photo can be very revealing. Ever see those people on YouTube or TikTok who find locations all over the world from a single photo or a short video? Even if the proof of life contained far less detail than one of those, it's a reminder to everyone that things you think might not give away who or where you are can inadvertently do just that.

And at the end of the day, who has what to lose here if the ransomer doesn't give proof of life? The most the ransomer will lose is the money that they may or may not get. The most the family has to lose is their beloved family member. It does not seem like much of a stretch to think that a perp with a certain mindset would decide to play hardball in this way and refuse to divulge any more info.

And now, I will go to bed. How many more posts will I have to read in the morning? 😅
 
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Tricia read the report. She isn’t known to quote unverified sources.
So did she have a different source from this thread?
 
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If someone in the family wrote the first ransom letter and sent it on Monday…could that be done in a home full of people and knowing le would be checking all phones and computers?
 
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The WS Boss

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So did she have a different source from this thread?


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I don't have an opinion one way or the other about the phone's location, but it states that the phone was found at the home, not in it. I take it that they are telling the reader that NG did not take the phone with her. If the phone was in her car, it was at the home.
"Nancy Guthrie left her mobile phone behind in her car, and the search for her was nearing the 48-hour mark by Tuesday morning."

 
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Doesn't mean there's not evidence on the outside of the vehicle.
Or there is information "in" and "under" the vehicle. 1)The car may have retrievable GPS information on all the places she has driven in the last two months. 2) The vehicle may have "automatic seating adjustments" for a 2nd driver or even a guest. IE, the location of the seat, steering wheel & rear view mirror will tell you a lot about the height of the last driver. 3) And even if finger-
prints are wiped off all surfaces....they always seem to leave a thumbprint on the back side of the mirror. 4) And even more importantly what kind of dust, plant spores, branches or small rock caught in the tires can reveal last location. Etc, It is a proven fact that even if a tree looks like all the other trees, they actually have a double helix DNA sequence that can differentiate and reveal exactly under which tree a vehicle was parked. Go figure! 5) The vehicle seats could have touch DNA on them, could find bindings in the back storage area or even a shovel/pick axe....lots of fingerprints, huh?
I'm sure Sleuths can think of a lot more!
 
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Someone posted photos of the Subaru from when it was being towed earlier. It looks like there’s some previous damage to the front end of the car.
Not sure I'd put a lot of stock in the dents and dings on the car. It's not uncommon for drivers in their 80's to be misjudging curbs and other cars and having minor accidents. Seniors are notorious for refusing to stop driving and think limiting themselves to day driving is enough. From my experience with an 80+ parent, their car looked like it had been in a bumper car carnival before we ended the driving. When asked, the parent(s) would deny ever hitting anything and were adamant someone must have "hit them in the grocery store parking lot while they were shopping" and they didn't see the damage...just my opinion, fwiw.
 
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Cartels are highly organized, precise, and have zero interest in an elderly lady and her American tv host daughter. Somehow being 1.5 to 4 hours from the border (depending on where you’re going) makes people assume that Mexico and cartels and even those here without papers must be involved.
True. But don't be disingenuous about border towns in the US not having plenty of cartel influence and spill-over crime (which sadly effects mainly the Latino-centric demographic that comprises many of these border towns). The FBI has a long standing dossier on Tuscon's importance in cartel operations and it is 60 minutes to the border for any criminal regardless of their background.
 
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I have a feeling we will have a resolution within the next 24-48hrs max.

Things seem to progressing rather quickly.

We have seen this in many cases, When puzzle pieces start to fit together it happens rather quickly.

I'd say they likely have the corners and all the flat edges fit together, just need the middle pieces to tie it all together and have a complete picture.

MOO
 
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I don't have an opinion one way or the other about the phone's location, but it states that the phone was found at the home, not in it. I take it that they are telling the reader that NG did not take the phone with her. If the phone was in her car, it was at the home.
Agreed. The reports mostly say her wallet, ID, phone, and car were found at the home. The same wording could apply whether the phone was in the car or inside the home.

That said, I now think I recalled in error reading that the phone was in the car, it just sounded so familiar when I saw it suggested, but I accept that was probably in error.

We'll know the truth soon enough, I'm sad to say. MOO
 
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