Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[PaulaDC]

Now that websleuths doesn't open new threads it's hard to read possibly a hundred pages that build up. I wish there was a way to go back say 20 pages instead like we used to be able to do by putting in a page number. I feel like I miss the entire thread when I go to work. Just moaning and groaning a bit......

 

[Absoluterubbish]

Link to she entered through garage please

I don’t have the link but it’s in the FBI timeline. Doesn’t say she entered just says the garage opened at 9.58 and closed at 10pm which is consistent with when the family dropped her off

 

[TheDinks]

Thi

I don't think anyone can be certain what is going on, this is a very unique situation and I dont see anything unethical if SIL agreed to it

We are all just coming up with ideas, noone can presume to know what is or isn't correct because none of us know

Oh it wasn't meant to be a suggestion of SIL being a 'fake' prime suspect - the leak is real

There is absolutely no way in hell they were suggesting SIL would be in on it (the leak)

 

[KonaHonu]

Probably all down in the basement!

Arizona houses rarely have basements

 

[Oiseaux]

Well, that's not what I said. Tuscon is know for cartel activity by the FBI/DEA. There is plenty of spillover crime in Southern AZ. Now your statement about borders being the most highly policed areas, that's laughable for the Southern border as any LEO or agency working there can tell you about the influence of cartels in Southern AZ or El Paso, etc. It is well documented.

I'm not saying this was cartel directed and agreed with the prior post that it probably isn't but I did say:

What’s your “well documented” source for all of this? Do you spend much time in the city to see this?

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[Strangeworld]

I think everyone should be able to present their thoughts without it getting shot down in flames because not a single one of us knows what is happening behind the scenes. We don't want to discourage people from sharing

In saying that, I hope that they are expanding the requests for camera footage to a larger area. Some cameras will overwrite and there could be a missed opportunity

 

[tbgo]

Someone mentioned that they think that the reason they chose to shoot the video inside the sister’s home was to get law enforcement inside without a search warrant enabling them to snoop and not raise the family’s suspicion.

 

[Kemug]

Arizona houses rarely have basements

Yes, sorry, I was trying to be funny.

 

[TheDinks]

But there is no directionality, to those drops they looked like they dropped straight down, as if she was standing there. Except how would you get that little aspirated spot ? Wouldnt you need to be close to the ground?
I am a little surprised it wasnt cleaned up b4 they released the house.

Oooh I dunno about the way blood drops, even though I watched the video with the forensic person explaining it, I just learned it wasn't cast-off spatter. I assumed Nancy was being held there for 10-20 seconds or so and the blood was dripping from a wound as they were carrying her. Its actually really hard to write it down, the details, huh... I feel yukky saying it.

btw LE don't generally clean up crime scenes when they're done... it's just left, as is, for property owners to deal with.

 

[ttjo]

Someone mentioned that they think that the reason they chose to shoot the video inside the sister’s home was to get law enforcement inside without a search warrant enabling them to snoop and not raise the family’s suspicion.

All they’d see is what is in plain sight and if they found anything it would be useless anyway without having a search warrant.

 

[simlyme]

I don’t have the link but it’s in the FBI timeline. Doesn’t say she entered just says the garage opened at 9.58 and closed at 10pm which is consistent with when the family dropped her off

We have no knowledge how or why the garage door opened and if anyone actually went through the garage.

 

[ttjo]

Oooh I dunno about the way blood drops, even though I watched the video with the forensic person explaining it, I just learned it wasn't cast-off spatter. I assumed Nancy was being held there for 10-20 seconds or so and the blood was dripping from a wound as they were carrying her. Its actually really hard to write it down, the details, huh... I feel yukky saying it.

btw LE don't generally clean up crime scenes when they're done... it's just left, as is, for property owners to deal with.

Ok. Maybe. Ive watched too much crime scene clean up

 

[Charlot123]

I actually do think this could be cartel-related, although I'm not ready to conclude that quite yet.

But as someone who lived in southern Arizona and Tucson over 40 years and has hiked and hunted on both sides of the border within a few feet of the border fence, and all politics aside, the idea that the border can ever be truly secured is laughable. That is ROUGH country in some places. There are routes where a vehicle can't get within miles of but traffickers with backpacks can easily hike. Most migrants are led along the flat, easy routes but the drug cartels have their own routes. The migrants get caught because the CBP/ICE can patrol. But the bad guys have been largely successful because they use routes that are almost impossible to patrol.

What does this have to do with NG? Kidnapping by cartels for ransom is very common along the border. I would not be at all suprised to hear that they found out SG's mom lived in Tucson and took advantage. I have no evidence of this yet but these guy's are good. It's not something I think the FBI or Az DPS have the intelligence to investigate. I don't mean they are stupid, just that some of the cartels (Zetas especially) are offshoots of the Mexican military (widely documented) and use radio communication equipment that is as good as our own military's and is effectively indecipherable and untraceable. Law enforcement simply does not have the military level intelligence to effectively investigate. If this case goes cold I will definitely start leaning to cartel involvement.

I found this article. The company whose studies they cite is located in Guernsey. It seems that both Southern AZ and South California are pretty high risk for abductions to Mexico

Kidnapping for ransom—A fateful international growth industry 05/11

 

[detective.moon]

Now that websleuths doesn't open new threads it's hard to read possibly a hundred pages that build up. I wish there was a way to go back say 20 pages instead like we used to be able to do by putting in a page number. I feel like I miss the entire thread when I go to work. Just moaning and groaning a bit......

you can still put in the page number!

click on the … (three dots) and you can enter the number of the page you want to go to. at least that’s how it works on my phone and tablet!

 

[KonaHonu]

Yes, sorry, I was trying to be funny.

And I wasn't being critical. Some do and they built the house in 1971...cold war, bomb shelter era, so maybe theirs did.

 

[TheDinks]

Someone mentioned that they think that the reason they chose to shoot the video inside the sister’s home was to get law enforcement inside without a search wIfarrant enabling them to snoop and not raise the family’s suspicion.

That wouldn't happen. They have to go through all the correct processes, ie warrants - dotting i and crossing t

They'd not be able to use anything if it wasn't discovered through the correct process. Immediate family are always first to be looked at so it's normal. LE had already been there before the video to kidnappers was shot.

 

[KBlackRabbit]

Having flip-flopped a hundred times, my feeling now is that this was a robbery/home invasion gone wrong.

If it’s a robbery goes wrong, they‘ll knock the victim out, unless they can identify the perp then it increases the chances they’re killed. You don’t break in to steal jewelry and iPads and leave with a human being that’s going to put intense heat on you and keep it there with an ongoing crime. Robbery is in-and-out then done.

I think kidnapping was the plan.

 

[moxiemom]

I found this article. The company whose studies they cite is located in Guernsey. It seems that both Southern AZ and South California are pretty high risk for abductions to Mexico

Kidnapping for ransom—A fateful international growth industry 05/11

This was surprising & scary! "But, probably the most disturbing fact is that "Phoenix, Arizona, has become the kidnapping capital of America, with more incidents than any other city in the world outside of Mexico City," according to Griffin Underwriting. Investigated kidnappings in Phoenix are estimated to have topped out at 200 in 2010."

 

[Charlot123]

What could be in NG's car that shouldn't be? Someone's DNA? There'd be a plausible explanation for any family member, imo, so not looking for evidence of one of them. Data showing it went somewhere on that night?

DNA can be in or on the car. If the garage is narrow and the abductor entered through the garage, he/they could have rubbed this body/arm against the car door, for example. Skin cells shed easily.

 

[Charlot123]

This was surprising & scary! "But, probably the most disturbing fact is that "Phoenix, Arizona, has become the kidnapping capital of America, with more incidents than any other city in the world outside of Mexico City," according to Griffin Underwriting. Investigated kidnappings in Phoenix are estimated to have topped out at 200 in 2010."

Nigeria, Mexico, Venezuela, Colombia, and Afghanistan are the highest in kidnappings for ransom.

(Other countries’ data are hard to interpret as often, countries where bride kidnappings are common are also included.)