• #8,601
A question and a thought about the camera we saw removed from NG's house yesterday.

Did LE remove all the exterior cameras? Or just this one?

If just this one, perhaps additional information from the forensic examination of the camera/security software system revealed additional information from this one camera location, and the camera itself was removed as physical evidence?
 
  • #8,602
I fear too many cooks in the kitchen.

We’ve seen it before. Delphi, Jon Benet etc.

I am shocked that NG’s house hasn’t been secured consistently. If true that a neighbour tipped LE to the camera on the roof of the Guest House, shame on LE.

I sincerely want to know if her cane is missing.

I also want to know if NG is independently wealthy. Was NG chosen as a victim because of her wealth or that of her celebrity daughter?

I do not think there will be a good outcome here.

MOO
 
  • #8,603
Maybe this was mentioned earlier. Also apologize for spitballing...

Assuming that this ransom note author is connected to NG abduction. And is the same author of the second letter received via tip by KOLD tonight. IMO, the author of these letters loves the media attention and seeming like they are smarter than LE. But why KOLD specifically? Why pick to send a letter to TMZ, KGUN and KOLD. Then send a second letter solely to KOLD as a tip? Then maybe Harvey Levin of TMZ is correct to believe that this perp is local to Arizona.
Levin's reason for think it is local based on choice of stations to me is a non starter. Of course it. is easy to see who is reporting on the kidnapping and they would go to those stations. I think Harvey indicated there was another reason to think it is locals.
 
  • #8,604
IIRC the Sheriff also said it was released back to them too and just standard. Although taking NG's car apparently was not during the first search lol

They would take their car to process it if it was the last vehicle she was in.

I find it almost incredible that no media caught them taking the car, but JMO.
Otherwise tomorrow, please let it be soon. Several pages back, sheriff said something to the effect of what they found or were looking for at N’s house wasn’t going to be released out of respect to the family. That is pretty telling and sad. I hate to even think what happened to her and what her family and friends are going through.
 
  • #8,605
The quote that Savannah said in that video clip is so weird/creepy. The delivery of the message was the same, almost like she was recreating that scene. Nothing of significance to add, just finding this whole situation so strange.
 
  • #8,606
Good observations on my post. If we follow on down from my logic and your expanded "rule outs" then that leaves someone local who just knows NG as a "wealthy" lady compared to them, right? Someone who knows shes maybe sort of famously connected for some reason, but not somone who targeted her because of SG. Would that be your arguement? But I agree, I think there are way wealthier people that could have relatives targeted if it was simply about money. But, again, something just feels odd and off and I cant really put my finger on it! But again me trying to get in the head of a person who would do this is really an exercise in futility.
I don't know! Savannah isn't really an all that controversial journalist. She was scheduled to go off to the Olympics which is mostly just morning show highlights.

And if someone was trying to get to her to suppress some kind of upcoming story or send a message to media not to report some story, at this point way too many people are involved to keep it quiet. LE has seen it. TMZ has seen it. Local news media anchors have seen it. Whatever new intern monitors the local tip line inbox has seen it. Way too many eyes to send a private message to SG.

So I don't even have a theory at this point. Nothing makes sense.
 
  • #8,607
Yeah, that is a really big problem with her car being involved.

Holding it back doesn't seem to work, because you'd fully expect them to have towed the car if they knew the garage had been opened later on.

I guess disconnected could work...

It's an issue.
I’m still about 30 pages behind, but maybe the perp manually disconnected the garage door from the track and opened the door to get the car out. We’ve had to do that when we’ve lost power. Simply disconnect the door from the track and lift it. That would bypass using the garage door opener and leaving an electronic record of when it opens and closes.
 
  • #8,608
I don't know! Savannah isn't really an all that controversial journalist. She was scheduled to go off to the Olympics which is mostly just morning show highlights.

And if someone was trying to get to her to suppress some kind of upcoming story or send a message to media not to report some story, at this point way too many people are involved to keep it quiet. LE has seen it. TMZ has seen it. Local news media anchors have seen it. Whatever new intern monitors the local tip line inbox has seen it. Way too many eyes to send a private message to SG.

So I don't even have a theory at this point. Nothing makes sense.
she's controversial in certain political circles, if you watched the aftermath after one of the presidential debates years back. And that stuff is STILL going around
 
  • #8,609
I don't have an opinion one way or the other about the phone's location, but it states that the phone was found at the home, not in it. I take it that they are telling the reader that NG did not take the phone with her. If the phone was in her car, it was at the home.
early on it was said that phone was in the car.
 
  • #8,610
So perhaps referencing Silence of the Lambs when talking to kidnappers is part of an old FBI protocol which at one time was effective based on data? Even though on the surface it is counterintuitive?

I would think the FBI would periodically update their protocols. Something effective in 1991 may not be effective in 2026.

Also this one size fits all and outdated strategy goes agains the entire notion of psych profiling which is to understand the unique personality of the perpetrator and develop a specific response strategy based on that personality. If the strategy is old and generic, then there is no need for profilers.
Criminal profiling continues to make advancements year after year in this field. They study crime scene behavior and offer advice to assist LE in narrowing down a suspect pool. You can't dismiss them outright as they are one of many investigative tools in any LE officers toolbox to utilize during investigations.
 
  • #8,611
Today will be the day. Im speaking that into existence
I hope so! I'm having a difficult time sleeping wondering where Nancy is...
 
  • #8,612
I feel multiple players are involved. Someone with intimate knowledge of the family and home who possibly provided another criminal mind with details needed to carry out crime.... i feel it was 100% premeditated. I also feel this will be solved. moo
 
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Do we know of any cases where someone was returned alive after a ransom was paid? Im struggling to think of any.
 
  • #8,615
Is AB doubling down on her reporting re: SIL because she believes what she was told by her sources, or only that she is being honest about what her sources TOLD her? I don't believe that SIL did this or was involved in it, but given that AB's reporting has caused a great firestorm of suspicion around him, I wish we could know definitively that he returned to his home after dropping Nancy off at hers. I keep thinking that maybe he did not go straight home but had run an errand or went somewhere else for a few hours. Surely, LE knows by now those details, and given the hubbub about him, I think it's only fair to relieve the public of their suspicions. If the family is considering suing AB, they must have full faith in SIL. But I trust that AB did not make this up so the real culprits are her trusted informants, and as law enforcement officers, they had improperly informed her of their own theories. She shouldn't have tossed that out to the public, to be sure, but she DID, carelessly. JMO JMO
AB says her source - VERY high level/at the top, is ALL IN on the BIL being the one.
We don't know, as far as I know, that the source is LE.
Bc I wonder why LE would want to plant that info out there ?

Her source could be someone in the fed govt who has shown an interest. Perhaps her source is the person who just remarked on the case yesterday evening

JMO
 
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My current theory: FM needs money now. Maybe asked for it at dinner but she said no. Took her home. Went back to their own home but it festered with FM that they needed money, so went back to Nancy's house. Probably has key. Maybe went in and proceeded to wake her up and force her to leave house. Maybe faking a family emergency, got to leave NOW!? Perhaps a bit of a struggle going out the door when Nancy wanted to go back in and put real clothes on and something happened and Nancy got hurt and that was blood outside. (Barney Fife did not mention ANY blood inside the house.) Took Nancy out to dessert and killed her. Maybe as simple as a bag over her head. Maybe left back door open and her still in her pajamas to look like she just wandered off, so maybe she's not too far in the dessert. (Only heard of aerial searches of dessert nearby -- no ground searches to my knowledge. With all the brush, she could be under a bush of some sort.) Gives off the implication that "she must have gotten confused and wandered off and then just "died" in the dessert." Honestly, if it wasn't the big news media, that might have been the end of it all. But then it quickly became a hot news item. Sooo many people came on tv quickly to say that there was no way she could wander off, so quickly it became a crime scene instead of just wandering off in what family member wanted. I think all the ransom notes are not real. We already have one person arrested for making a fake one. Nowadays with crypto, it could easily be some teenage boy in Russia making these other messages. Someone said she was on Facebook. Maybe the blackmailer saw something in one of her Facebook pics that he uses as "personal information" to prove he was in house even though he never was. FM needs Nancy to be found so that inheritance can happen quickly. My dad has all his money in a trust so that when he passes, my sister and I have access to it all immediately without probate. I think the car was seen on Circle K going by twice in the 2:00ish hours of the morning. But if it was Nancy's car, then maybe they used that for transport. Perhaps garage door was manually opened slowly if her garage door is like mine and motor is way too loud and would make an awful noise in the quiet of the neighborhood at that time. But not sure why blood would be in driveway...
Blood in the driveway? I saw it on the front door area, but not the driveway.
 
  • #8,617
It IS odd since the search of the house would likely uncover the clothes she wore to dinner, provided she went to bed before being taken. Many people only have a few different night clothes they wear each night. With the help of family they could look for the absence of those items. Nothing about this case fits.
I don't know about Nancy G. but I myself could not pinpoint the absence of night clothes let. alone could my family!!!
 
  • #8,618
Last time anyone saw NG alive was night of 1/31/26. Blood droplets exterior front entryway belonging to NG could mean NG last proof of life 2/1/26 early morning. Zero proof of life after say 2:30am. I don't see ransom letters sent days after NG last known life are related to NG disappearance. Without any proof of life, IMO, NG is deceased
IMO, if those were legit ransom notes from the kidnapper, they would have been left in Nancy's home. And the heading would have been Dear Savannah, We have your mom, please wire 4 million to this address within 24 hours or you will never see her again, No Joke

No copies to TMZ or WOLD , no waiting 4 days and then giving 2 different end dates.

I think the notes are deflections by the perps, to distract from the real situation
 
  • #8,619
Yesterday on her podcast, The Nerve, Maureen Callahan was discussing Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance with Ashleigh Banfield.

Maureen said she read that the blood drops on the porch had been tested and the blood came from Nancy. Also that there was sputum mixed with it, that suggested it had come from her mouth or nose (as opposed to a cut on her arm, say).

She didn’t name a source, but she did say this. Obviously I can’t verify the truth of this claim, so it’s JMO.

Banfield made a mistake, I noted. She was talking about the early report that Nancy had been taken from her bed. She was describing a hypothetical scenario in which a person would be knocking on Nancy’s door until she got out of bed, making her come down the stairs to open the door. Maureen corrected her, saying the house was all one level; there’s no ‘upstairs’ or ‘downstairs’. It surprised me that Banfield didn’t know this, and it made me question her knowledge of the case. Even a casual observer of the case, from seeing it on TV, would know that the house is a single storey.
re: there was sputum mixed with it, that suggested it had come from her mouth or nose
i am way out of my depth here but if there is sputum wouldn't that mean she was alive when she went out that door?
 
  • #8,620
The only thing is that the first "ransom letter" referenced the Apple Watch's location in the hous

I have seen reporting that the first ransom note mentioned the Apple Watch. But I haven't seen reporting that the note specified the exact location of the watch inside her home. I've also seen reporting that the watch was left behind. My overall point though is that the abductor knowing about the watch does not suggest one way or another that someone close to Nancy is involved.
 
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