AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[shonyakay]

I am late to the blood spatter discussion, there are so many posts to keep up with!
So sorry to ask a question that may have already be answered.

So we are looking at a force coming at NG on the porch while she was already bleeding. And she could have been standing or lying on the ground?

Or maybe she coughed or sneezed meaning no blow on the porch?

But she could have been injured in the house and then injured again on the porch?
Where on the body would the blood have been coming from?

Another poster stated that there was sputum mixed with Nancy's blood on the porch. If that is indeed the case then that is probably blood coming from her nose/mouth area.

Anyone's guess is as good as mine at this point because we don't have specifics yet.

Blood from a cough or sneeze can mimic Projected/Impact spatter.

 

[Aphrodite Jones]

I AM REPOSTING my comment and will check back later this afternoon to see your responses, still hoping that LE will have something new to report later today.

SO -- I've waited before making any comment because I felt we were all rushing to judgement. It's a human reaction to pin the crime on one of the nearest relatives, but it can also backfire. I know Savannah personally, and the last thing I want to do is bring more pain to the Guthrie family. Imagine if your mom was abducted and the public was pointing the finger at you. The sting would be that much greater. All that said, as of this AM, they have collected the elusive white van and as you all know, a second note was sent to KOLD yesterday which has been verified as coming from the same encrypted server. This note apparently made contact with the family, responding to the videos made by Savannah and her siblings. We now have President Trump indicating that officials are close to identifying the abductor or abductors. The horrible thing now, of course, is that we have no proof of life. I PRAY that Nancy is alive after being without her meds for 7 days. It is totally possible. Let's remember that. In fact, billboards are now being put up in AZ and surrounding states asking for the public's help. The hard question now is: WOULD YOU HIT SEND to give millions in crypto to this abductor before the deadline on Monday? If no one is caught this weekend, Savannah will be struggling with the possibility that non-payment could mean death for her mom... MY HEART IS BREAKING FOR HER...

 

[su5ie]

I'm wondering at this stage and with reveal of white van was the evening staged .
NG goes to dinner and game night in uber so spider sees her leave

Gets dropped home by SIL into a spider lair at a prearranged time

NG is bundled into van and has a bleed in the process . Watch and phone placed there ,she never went into the house ,she was taken at the door and everything else was like a staging of a scene

As another poster states this is not about the bitcoin for the orchestrator, its about the inheritance, the bitcoin is payment for whoever is holding her

Just my 2 cents

 

[birdbox]

It seems things are headed ion another direction so the ransom may just be a distraction not even related

But, let's assume there really are no suspects and all they have is this ransom note. If I were a position financially to pay the 7m without affecting my kids education etc - I believe that - Yes I would pay it.

I dont know SG's financial situation but 7m imo is like a house in the Hamptons. So if paying the 7m gives me peace of mind that I did everything possible - I'd do it.
JMO

I could not agree more. I would pay it if nothing more to end thst bluff to know if my mom was alive or not

 

[moonbeams]

I agree they appear to be passive blood drops as she stood at the front door area bleeding. There is what appears to me to be a projected/impact spatter to the right of the mat - meaning a force coming in to contact with an already actively bleeding source. Although, it is possible that it could be aspirated blood from a couch or sneeze while actively bleeding. Hopefully LE tested that area to determine if there was air/mucus mixed in with the blood. Poor Nancy.

and the age.... it could have happened at another time competely unrelated.

 

[MarciB]

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Verified already.

Pretty sure Tricia has mentioned Aphrodite Jones books on the Websleuths YouTube channel. She may have been a guest at one time, but I don't remember for sure.

 

[birdbox]

I AM REPOSTING my comment and will check back later this afternoon to see your responses, still hoping that LE will have something new to report later today.

SO -- I've waited before making any comment because I felt we were all rushing to judgement. It's a human reaction to pin the crime on one of the nearest relatives, but it can also backfire. I know Savannah personally, and the last thing I want to do is bring more pain to the Guthrie family. Imagine if your mom was abducted and the public was pointing the finger at you. The sting would be that much greater. All that said, as of this AM, they have collected the elusive white van and as you all know, a second note was sent to KOLD yesterday which has been verified as coming from the same encrypted server. This note apparently made contact with the family, responding to the videos made by Savannah and her siblings. We now have President Trump indicating that officials are close to identifying the abductor or abductors. The horrible thing now, of course, is that we have no proof of life. I PRAY that Nancy is alive after being without her meds for 7 days. It is totally possible. Let's remember that. In fact, billboards are now being put up in AZ and surrounding states asking for the public's help. The hard question now is: WOULD YOU HIT SEND to give millions in crypto to this abductor before the deadline on Monday? If no one is caught this weekend, Savannah will be struggling with the possibility that non-payment could mean death for her mom... MY HEART IS BREAKING FOR HER...

Yes, I would hit send!

 

[turaj]

I sure hope that NG is returned soon and and kidnappers in custody. If this would ever go to a trial (doubtful) I think the LE work would not hold up well in court. Will leave it at that. Just hope today is the day they find Nancy alive.

 

[FoxxTraxx]

Armchair detectives flood social media as search for Savannah Guthrie’s missing mom continues​

Source Associated press search for Nancy Guthrie 02/07/26

Websleuths has competition! LOL. This case is white hot.
Banfield is specifically mentioned in this story.

Moments after the news broke about the apparent abduction of “Today” show host Savannah Guthrie’s mother, the floodgates opened on social media....

As the search continues with no suspects or persons of interest, posts across Instagram, TikTok, X, Facebook and YouTube have put millions of eyeballs on tips and theories surrounding her disappearance. But they’ve also helped to amplify rumors and forced law enforcement to repeatedly set the record straight on at least one crucial detail.

 

[zecats]

Thank you, this is important information. So a young person might be well aware of this movie. And it might be a cult classic, watched over and over again.

So that leaves us with a wide range of possible ages.

Ironically, the movie (Fargo) was just on a few nights ago. DH found it while scrolling with his third arm, aka the remote. It’s a creepy/ funny classic of a movie. However it does NOT end well for the kidnappers or perpetrator of the crime. Sorry if spoiling plot for some.

 

[minazoe]

SO -- I've waited before making any comment because I felt we were all rushing to judgement. It's a human reaction to pin the crime on one of the nearest relatives, but it can also backfire. I know Savannah personally, and the last thing I want to do is bring more pain to the Guthrie family. Imagine if your mom was abducted and the public was pointing the finger at you. The sting would be that much greater. All that said, as of this AM, they have collected the elusive white van and as you all know, a second note was sent to KOLD yesterday which has been verified as coming from the same encrypted server. This note apparently made contact with the family, responding to the videos made by Savannah and her siblings. We now have President Trump indicating that officials are close to identifying the abductor or abductors. The horrible thing now, of course, is that we have no proof of life. I PRAY that Nancy is alive after being without her meds for 7 days. It is totally possible. Let's remember that. In fact, billboards are now being put up in AZ and surrounding states asking for the public's help. The hard question now is: WOULD YOU HIT SEND to give millions in crypto to this abductor before the deadline on Monday? If no one is caught this weekend, Savannah will be struggling with the possibility that non-payment could mean death for her mom... MY HEART IS BREAKING FOR HER...

Hi AJ, I think I would have paid this ransom a few days ago, I know the proven hoax letter would dampen the credibility of the other communications, but I would still pay, but maybe not all, Id send a nominal amount like 1.5 and tell them no more until proof of life. This way they know I will pay , I will part with the money, it's a significant amount and they can get more. Cool to see you here on WS.

sadly I think this is possibly not a real kidnapping, but it doesn't make it any less devastating. mOO

 

[SaraSmile]

I've always had mixed feelings about AB, but would hopefully think she wouldn't say anything that could expose her legally

I like AB ok, and she is sticking to her story on Meghan Kelly. So she really thinks it’s either TC or someone close to him.
Also, I thought Trump talking about Circle K, Teslas, checking videos for a car they are looking for, was interesting. Plus Yesterday Trump said the investigators are very close.
Lots of clues!

 

[SeattleStew]

Reported by Who?

I think you meant to reply to the same post I was replying to.

 

[flp]

it is very ominous that the second message did not contain any proof of life. If they are going to the trouble and risk of sending a message they might as well have included some proof or evidence that she is alive (this could be something as simple as a fact or statement that only she would know).

 

[birdbox]

The fact a white van is even mentioned is more evidence we are living in a simulation. It doesnt get any more cliche than a kidnapper with a white van, does it?? This guy wanted to be a kidnapper his whole life. White van, ransom note.

 

[waldojabba]

But do we know that her phone was actually at her house at the time that these items were separated?

IIRC -her watch synced up to her pacemaker and her phone was in her car - those are the things I read but there is so much contradictory info out there - as there always is early on .
Apple watches can have their own cellular plan separate from the phone, so they do not always have to be in close proximity to the phone. I have no idea if her watch had a searate plan

jmo

 

[New Penny]

Why would they keep going back to Annie’s place?

Because the family is staying there, the 3 siblings

 

[captdj]

All those cameras and no cloud recording.. so not really careful about using them for security. so why would perp remove just one?
Do we know it was even there before that night? It was a battery one.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

I AM REPOSTING my comment and will check back later this afternoon to see your responses, still hoping that LE will have something new to report later today.

SO -- I've waited before making any comment because I felt we were all rushing to judgement. It's a human reaction to pin the crime on one of the nearest relatives, but it can also backfire. I know Savannah personally, and the last thing I want to do is bring more pain to the Guthrie family. Imagine if your mom was abducted and the public was pointing the finger at you. The sting would be that much greater. All that said, as of this AM, they have collected the elusive white van and as you all know, a second note was sent to KOLD yesterday which has been verified as coming from the same encrypted server. This note apparently made contact with the family, responding to the videos made by Savannah and her siblings. We now have President Trump indicating that officials are close to identifying the abductor or abductors. The horrible thing now, of course, is that we have no proof of life. I PRAY that Nancy is alive after being without her meds for 7 days. It is totally possible. Let's remember that. In fact, billboards are now being put up in AZ and surrounding states asking for the public's help. The hard question now is: WOULD YOU HIT SEND to give millions in crypto to this abductor before the deadline on Monday? If no one is caught this weekend, Savannah will be struggling with the possibility that non-payment could mean death for her mom... MY HEART IS BREAKING FOR HER...

Yeah and maybe check on that van. Thanks.

 

[Jade]

I have been wondering about that. Usually I would think they can not only match the blood to NG but how old is it? From the description of her medical condition and photos (one with bandaid and one with SG and NG in blue top and her left arm in all bruised...a clear sign that she bleeds easily. It could be from another time and just not gotten it cleaned up yet given she mostly uses garage door?

If Mrs. Guthrie had not turned up missing maybe but under the circumstances the blood appears to be evidence.

I think the family is wise to not touch the property even after release. For example not cleaning the blood, or staying in the home or even the guest house, not gathering there for any reason, until there is some resolution, imo.

If the blood was from a previous incident considering her home appears to be well kept I think it would have been cleaned up pretty quickly by either Mrs Guthrie, if we are to believe she’s fully able of taking care of her tasks, a house keeper, or her daughter who I presume would have been told I had a bloody spell on the front porch I got it stopped but it’s a mess out there.

The front door is used as evidenced by the package.

Also neighbors or friends stopping by she wouldn’t want blood and lots of it out there since she seemed tidy.

I am realizing that many aren’t as involved with their moms like me; we’ve always hung out a lot.

So maybe the routine was the partner drops her off late in the deep dark night and is on his way without a second thought as many seem to think that not unusual.

It may be they are just not that close or involved in her life or don’t want to start any time consuming habits of assistance.


All imo