AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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I find timelines to be very helpful (especially in a case like this where there are a lot of moving parts and lots of speculation) so I spent a while putting together a timeline (side note: I did not use AI to research or assemble this, just a bunch of my time and brainpower!). If I missed anything, please let me know!

All times are in MST unless otherwise indicated. Sources are listed in parenthesis – when possible, information is from LE, either Sheriff Nanos or FBI Special Agent in Charge Heith Janke… Snipped by me
Thank you! I love that you included the sources. I really was just thinking last night that it would be helpful anytime a WSer creates a timeline to include the sources. Kudos to you!
 
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Thanks for sharing. That is something I hadn’t considered but it is a real possibility that she just simply wasn’t in range for her normal sync and that’s why it shows disconnected at that time because it (pacemaker) wasn’t “looking” for her until the scheduled sync time. (That could very well be around the 2:30am mark every day)
Don't pacemakers transmit alerts to the doctor outside the scheduled sync time if the patient has atrial fibrillation or slow/fast heart rates? I thought just non-triggering data was sent at a scheduled time each day.
 
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I think pointing out that he may or may not be a reliable source of information isn't poltics. He put the words out there, so they can be discussed. It has nothing to do with politics but whether they are a reliable source of information IMO
commenting on DJT is no different than the discussion we have had here on AB or other reports of progress in the case. Nothing political about it from our end.
 
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I'm wondering at this stage and with reveal of white van was the evening staged .
NG goes to dinner and game night in uber so spider sees her leave

Gets dropped home by SIL into a spider lair at a prearranged time

NG is bundled into van and has a bleed in the process . Watch and phone placed there ,she never went into the house ,she was taken at the door and everything else was like a staging of a scene

As another poster states this is not about the bitcoin for the orchestrator, its about the inheritance, the bitcoin is payment for whoever is holding her

Just my 2 cents
The following is a thought experiment only......
What if it is about the house itself? What if someone's elderly mobility challenged medication dependent relative (I'll call this person XS) was going to move into an assisted living situation and put the house on the market. The relative (I'll call this person(s) XX) believes the financial gain will be lost paying for the assisted living and talks XS into allowing XX to move into the house until XS passed away. Then suddenly, without warning, XS changes their mind, deciding they do not require assisted living and will stay where they are and takes the house off the market. This action puts XX in a bad situation financially because XX has already has given up their current residence and is now forced to purchase or lease a home they cannot afford. Some time goes by and XX financial situation does not improve, in fact it gets worse and the previous "agreement" which feels like a betrayal to XX, festers and eats away at their rational thought. They are continuing to provide more and more care for XS and feel as if other relatives are not responding favorably to their attempts to get XS into assisted living so they can get out from under their financial burden and return to the agreement of them living in XSs house. They hatch a kidnap plan to prove XS cannot take care of theirself living alone and it is oh so dangerous for their safety. The plan was never to harm XS, only hold him/her long enough to assure that after being returned, living alone in the house would never be an option.
my outside-of-the-box thought only.
 
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Sure, denial is a large part of grief, as is bargaining, but something about their methods here seems less irrational and more calculated to me. I admittedly go back and forth on what happened, but I can't shake the idea that this family wouldn't devote this much of their time and resources to an irrational pipe dream at a time that their efforts could potentially be more valuable elsewhere. For example, if the family didn't have strong suspicion and perhaps even compelling evidence that a kidnap/ransom occurred, I imagine SG might be utilizing her public platform a bit differently to try to find her Mom.

JMO.
 
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The neighbors 44 year old son has a criminal record that includes Criminal Trespass and Stalking.
and sure hope that tip is run to ground just like all the rest.
 
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SO -- I've waited before making any comment because I felt we were all rushing to judgement. It's a human reaction to pin the crime on one of the nearest relatives, but it can also backfire. I know Savannah personally, and the last thing I want to do is bring more pain to the Guthrie family. Imagine if your mom was abducted and the public was pointing the finger at you. The sting would be that much greater. All that said, as of this AM, they have collected the elusive white van and as you all know, a second note was sent to KOLD yesterday which has been verified as coming from the same encrypted server. This note apparently made contact with the family, responding to the videos made by Savannah and her siblings. We now have President Trump indicating that officials are close to identifying the abductor or abductors. The horrible thing now, of course, is that we have no proof of life. I PRAY that Nancy is alive after being without her meds for 7 days. It is totally possible. Let's remember that. In fact, billboards are now being put up in AZ and surrounding states asking for the public's help. The hard question now is: WOULD YOU HIT SEND to give millions in crypto to this abductor before the deadline on Monday? If no one is caught this weekend, Savannah will be struggling with the possibility that non-payment could mean death for her mom... MY HEART IS BREAKING FOR HER...

Perhaps @tricia or another moderator could weigh in on this post to let everyone know if this comment “All that said, as of this AM, they have collected the elusive white van” needs further verification. I believe Tricia may be able to suss out what’s going on here. I think we all are just trying to understand where this information came from. From SG directly (as AJ says she knows SG), or from another verifiable source?
 
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Regardless of one's thoughts on him or this particular action, he did facilitate the cherry picking of the president of a 1st world Western nation out of his own palace in the middle of the night, and in just an hour or two, so I'd prefer to think that any perceived grandstanding by him can generally be backed up, and that any resources he has authorized in this case will be similarly utilized and ultimately prove fruitful.

JMO.
Which is an international crime. If another country did that to the US, can you imagine the backlash?!?
 
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DBM
 
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Is this the link you were requesting; that the white van has been located? I have highlighted it in red.
If not ‘the first reporting in the thread of a white van’ was from a neighbor who contacted investigators that a white van was observed on NG street or perhaps near her drive way?
If they have the van they have the VIN number, so they should already have it figured out? Pretty hard to take every VIN number out of a vehicle it isn't just on the dash anymore it is on many various areas in vehicles nowadays I have been told by my local car dealership owner.
 
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In regards to the pacemaker, and sorry if this has been covered (thread is moving too fast), would it still be sending data to doctors office even if it was away from her devices? Nanos keeps saying they think she is alive….could data still transmitting indicate this? JMO
 
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but has not been shown to have been "collected" in any MSM or X or other sources....
At that point, you have to wonder if it's semantics and we're nitpicking? Dunno. I PM'ed Tricia to see if she wants to address how to view the information
 
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I would never pay the ransom without proof of life. Esp. In a case this high-profile. We already found one scammer. And, without proof of life, I don’t have alot of confidence that an 84 year old who lost blood and hasn’t had her meds in a week is alive.
Paying without proof of life and proof it’s actually the person responsible is setting a dangerous precedent. But, darn, when it’s your mom and not taking the chance to pay/ do everything possible? What an incredibly heart wrenching dilemma. JMO
 
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This is a very good article that details Nancy’s career after her husband died in 1988.

Nancy worked for the U of A from August 1990 until Jan. 1, 2007, first as spokeswoman for University Medical Center and later as associate to the vice president of university advancement.

As part of her duties, she coordinated the Center Stage program, which brought in musicians from the university and beyond to put on monthly lunchtime musical performances at the hospital for staff, patients and visitors. She also served as program director for Medcamp, the U of A’s annual introduction to the medical field for select Arizona high school students.

In recognition of her work, Nancy was elected president of the Southern Arizona chapter of the Public Relations Society of America in 2000.

Retired U of A vice provost Elizabeth Ervin said she was working in marketing and communications for the College of Fine Arts in the 1990s, when Nancy was brought in to help them broaden their reach “beyond our own walls.”

She said Nancy would lead regular committee meetings on how they could improve and expand their messaging at a time when the university’s various departments were doing great things but in an isolated, “siloed” sort of way.

Ervin said she and her colleagues looked forward to those meetings because Nancy kept them upbeat and fun. “She was a good leader,” she said.

You never would have guessed the woman was in the early years of a new career after the death of her husband.

“She was always extremely positive,” Ervin said. “She has an amazingly positive spirit.”

Former reporter Carla McClain said she often interacted with the public relations team at University Medical Center during her career covering health care for the Tucson Citizen and the Arizona Daily Star. She described Nancy as level-headed, accommodating, gracious and “totally upfront.”

She was just great to work with. She understood what my job was as well as her own,” McClain said. “When you encounter good people in life, you know it right away, and Nancy is a very good person through and through. There’s a kindness and an aura around people like that.”

That’s what makes what’s happening now so unfathomable, she said. “This is a woman who I’m certain has no enemies,"

[…]

More at link:
Who is Nancy Guthrie? Inside the life of Savannah Guthrie’s mother and Tucson community leader
lovely article! thank you for sharing.

however this goes back to the people saying she's worth millions... actually this proves that she appears to be a typical middle class retiree... normal like the rest of us! it is SG who is the monetarily rich one.
 
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law and crime video posted here upthread yesterday has MIke King of profiling evil stating her phone was in her car. made me listen twice bc of that.

Just a lot of conflicting info JMO
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Don't pacemakers transmit alerts to the doctor outside the scheduled sync time if the patient has atrial fibrillation or slow/fast heart rates? I thought just non-triggering data was sent at a scheduled time each day.
a friend of mine has a pacemaker and if it detects something off with heart rate, etc. the hospital he goes to is alerted. That has happened twice and an ambulance was sent out immediately. I don't know if he also has an app on his phone, but probably. Doesn't seem like Nancy Guthrie's pacemaker connected to the doctor or hospital, but information we get is limited
 
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spotting a van is not the same meaning as "collecting". IMO collecting something means that LE has found the van... not that it was spotted.
again, it may be semantics and we're nitpicking, or she knows something we don't or the paper is accurate. I DM'ed Tricia to ask how she would like the information viewed.
 
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Curious about interviewing the family members, wouldn’t they only interview them at the house? Or police station? Is it because of the high profile case it would be in the house to not give any news outlets tips about what’s going on?
I was wondering the same thing. I don't how they routinely interview in Arizona, but I assume the more serious interrogations are preferred at the police station. But this case is so weird and all over the place and so high profile, who knows. I don't recall once a report even mentioning any family giving a formal statement or traveling to the police station, but I'd like to think it's happened many times so far by now.
 
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My inquiring mind wants to know, if the kidnappers can send a note to the local news station, why can't they also send a generic photo of NG to show proof of life? What would be so hard about that?? I mean, they can print it off and send it along with however they are sending the note or email.

JMO.
My understanding from other reports is they used the "contact form" that's on the news website, which typically doesn't allow for attaching content such as image, video or audio files.
 

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