AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[SlimPickens]

Huh? AJ: "As of this morning they have collected the white van" is totally different representation than "neighbors reported seeing a white van" Why is this so hard?

Can we just get a link? At the very least, there is certainly nothing wrong with posters requesting one. Stop beating people up who just want verified facts.

And your statements re: DT are just your opinion. If you don't mind, please follow WS rules: unless you have a link to support what you are claiming to be fact, please indicate that it is just your opinion (IMO, MOO, JMO). TIA

Jmo

I think the best course here would be to assume AJ is telling the truth and that she will return later to confirm, or if she misspoke, to clarify.

So assuming it is true, what does the retention of a white van by LE, with our understanding that a neighbor of NG reported a suspicious white van in the neighborhood, suggest?

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

There is a driveway that leads to the right side of the house where the garage is. Like most homes you can drive right up to the garage door. Nancy could have been let out of the car right near the garage door. She would then only need to walk a little ways to get inside of her garage, turn around and wave her SIL off, and then close the door. This taking a couple to a handful of minutes to achieve is doable.

True...I'm just thinking what my husband would do for my mother. Perhaps, NG was fiercely independent and didn't want to be treated as elderly and as an invalid??

JMO.

 

[Starkville]

Yeah the word collected means just that - collected. I'm just going to wait to see if op will verify or whether it may be a mistake or a misunderstanding, wrong source or whatever. Not taking it as a given. Moo

“Collected”, IMO is an odd choice. I’d expect “seized”, “impounded”.

Did she mean “collected into evidence”? I wonder if AJ was using shorthand for that term. Hmm. Time will tell.

 

[missy1974]

the broken light beside the backdoor is now gone too.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2020177103258522104

 

[korncrasy]

Is there any way to get the distance from her car in the garage to her bedroom where the Apple charger is? Would it still pick up if it is located in the car?

Something that has been bothering me this morning and very possible someone one has mentioned it in the many pages of this thread. During the instagram video of the siblings, when SG was talking about NG's need for medications, she said: "She lives in constant pain. She is without any medicine. She needs it to survive. She needs it not to suffer." This was curious to me and very intentional sounding. Does NG take pain medication? Does someone in her orbit know this (family, caretakers, groundkeepers, etc)? I know there have been (unverified) rumors of a family member having a possible addiction problem (again - unverified!). It would not surprise me if this ended up having to do with drugs.

I agree.

 

[KrisCo16]

I just don't see NG walking into her home and getting inside in the matter of two minutes unless she was using a "hurry cane," and Tommaso dropped her off and peeled wheels out of there...

IOW, this just doesn't make common sense to me. Anyone--unless you hate your MIL--is respectful and helpful. You are going to stop the car, open the garage door, walk her in at her pace, open the other door leading to the home (which might require a key??), go inside with her, ask her if there is anything that you can do for her before you leave...All that requires more than two minutes.

JMO.

Granted, I’m not 84, but this is a level of assistance I absolutely would not want from anyone, especially at 9:45 at night. Drop me in my driveway, watch me type in the code to get into my garage, wait for me to make it to the house door and wait until the garage shuts. Two minutes is plenty of time. My MIL is close to NG’s age and walks with a cane - this is also what she would want, and could certainly make it across the span of the garage in two minutes. NG is not helpless, and probably values her independence.

 

[*LD*]

Is there any proof that NG ever arrived home that night or do the sensors and alerts only prove that someone was there?

 

[emigrate]

Part of the appeal of bitcoin for some is that it bypasses all that. As far as the family paying it, if they have it, the transaction wouldn't be tough.

thank you!

 

[moonbeams]

Did Nancy normally take Ubers to her daughter's house? They don't live too far away. Could have the lights/cameras been damaged between the time she left and time she arrived home? Finally, and while I am sure she is a very independent woman, I wonder why she was actually living alone considering how very frail she was according to her family- not that it makes a difference now but a thought I wonder with this.

my mother lived alone at 87 and was very frail

 

[WillenFan21]

HEY LOOK AT THIS VIDEO - IT'S 90 SECONDS. IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THIS YET, PLEASE WATCH! I NEED THE ATTENTION. I'M DESPERATE!!!

Thank you!!!

 

[SMK777]

The more I think about the kidnappers not providing proof of life, the more it seems to me that the kidnapping for ransom was likely a ruse to purposely misdirect the investigation.

IMO: Sad to say but NG may well have been killed in the initial hour and everything else has been a panicked coverup.

Don't know if others are feeling this as well; but isn't this ransom/proof of life scenario being stalled like this a bit strange?

 

[iamshadow21]

Is there any proof that NG ever arrived home that night or do the sensors and alerts only prove that someone was there?

Her apple watch was there, and her devices had contact with her pacemaker until the window of her suspected abduction.

MOO

 

[tricia]

You know SG personally? I'm just reading here but interested in your perspective. You could get yourself verified as an WS verified insider perhaps. Especially if knowing about a white van being ( what ...collected by LE?) is related to that. It is fact and approved source based on WS, so wondering what your source is for that info.

Aphrodite Jones IS VERIFIED. She is an expert in true crime. She does not need to provide links. She is a friend of Websleuths. Be respectful, or I swear I will turn this car around and will be grounded for LIFE.

 

[SaraSmile]

great point and not something I'm knowledgeable about so thank you. Does Neurontin eliminate the need for additional pain medications due to discomfort from diabetic neuropathy? Or is it typically used in tandem with another pain med? Just curious. Would make me feel better if used solo because if its a drug related disappearance, I don't see it ending well.

I’m on Lyrica, take every day, newer generation of gabapentin( neurontin). Yes, it works extremely well for nerve pain.both are controlled substances, but I don’t think you can get high on them. I also have oxycontin ( well supervised, no worries), as a back up for flare ups( don’t take every day).
The problem with Lyrica, and neurontin is that if they are stopped abruptly, it can lead to seizures!
I doubt it was a “drug crime” stealing Nancy’s pain meds, as they are doled out one bottle at a time nowadays.

 

[korncrasy]

Apologies in advance if this is already being discussed, I'm a little lost in how fast moving this story is, but police also reportedly removed a camera from her roof, a roof that might have had recent work done on it.

“Apparently on that roof, the agents recovered a new camera, a camera that apparently they hadn’t been aware of and they took it into their custody. I don’t know anymore than that as to why it hadn’t been recovered, what it might see." -Retired NYPD Inspector Paul Mauro.

And from a neighbor:
Laura Gargano, said she tipped off the police to investigate the roof because of how clean it looked compared to other homes in the neighborhood.

“I did notice on an aerial shot that it looked like her roof had been recoated recently,” Gargano told CNN on Friday. “When you recoat your roof it gets dirty pretty quickly and we’ve had lot of rains the previous three weeks, so it would be normal for a roof to be a little dirty.”

I live in an old house too big for me (downsizing and going broke from taking care of it) so rely heavily on contractors and assistance. There are a lot of shady contractors, we all know that, but I am starting to fear one of them saw this very vulnerable woman as an obvious easy target. If Savannah was brought up in casual conversation or he otherwise discovered the connection, I could see this being a ransom case. Something that seemed absurd to me in the beginning. Just dreadful, each bit of news is more frustrating and terrifying than the next. It's been a week, I just keep praying for her return home.

From NY Post: Police tow SUV from Nancy Guthrie’s home, take down wired device from roof after tip from neighbor: report

Agree, I hired a reputable roofer.He then subbed it out to very sketchy people.The girls of this crew asked to use my bathroom throughout the day.I quickly moved our medications.Very unsettling.

 

[DancingMuse]

The neighbors 44 year old son has a criminal record that includes Criminal Trespass and Stalking. And, ironically, owns or previously owned a roofing company.

very interesting. Outloudthink: Thx so much.

 

[birdbox]

Hey does anyone have any thoughts on any steps the Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos could have done early on or differently?

 

[BigCityAccountant1]

Apropos of a number of posts saying they would "push the button" or some such to send the money, as if it's an easy decision: It is much easier for us here, with a theoretical missing loved one and theoretical millions, to say what we'd do, than it is for someone with a real missing loved one and real millions, getting advice from the FBI and weighing the dangers of giving bad guys a roadmap to free millions (if the ransom notes are hoaxes), to actually push that button.

Add to that, how many have that kind of cash? Most likely invested in investments of some kind. It would take some time to convert those investments into cash and then bitcoin, especially if you have never used bitcoin before. I don't have the first clue about bitcoin, nor do I want to know.

 

[SaraSmile]

I think the best course here would be to assume AJ is telling the truth and that she will return later to confirm, or if she misspoke, to clarify.

So assuming it is true, what does the retention of a white van by LE, with our understanding that a neighbor of NG reported a suspicious white van in the neighborhood, suggest?

We want to know any details about the white van, if it is relevant. We are seekers of new news!

 

[DizzyB]

As far as blood being in the car, when Patrick Frazee murdered Kelsey Berreth, no blood was ever found in his car. (He carried her out in a tote). Terrible case to be remembering. I can imagine scenarios where blood might not be found in a car, even if a victim is bleeding.

Not a bit of blood in Kohberger’s car, although he had a long time to clean up. The more that they come back and take things like cameras off of the roof, the less confident I am in the path being taken to solve this. Is their methodology common? I understand how specific warrants can be, but did they go up on the roof based on a neighbor’s observations? Should they have asked for camera footage long ago before it became overwritten? I am thinking of Barry Morphew at Poncha Market going through a garbage can.