AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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It's untraceable. LE, three news organizations, and the family all have the Bitcoin account number for the transfer. BTW, I think SG started to prepare for a possible payment days ago. She can afford to pay.

This is the part that makes me feel for the family.

I think any of us that have lost a parent... think... if you had the means and opportunity, how much would you pay for a chance to see and talk and touch them again?

I can't even put a dollar figure on it.

I would have hit send already I'm sure.
 
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Just because the daughter has money...i just dont think why ANYONE should think it is her responsibility to pay it. Plus, I am confident it isn't all sitting in a bank account somewhere. Stocks, bonds real estate etc. It takes awhile to liquidate assets. ALL OF THIS is a family matter. Whatever person has a will, trust, 40 million etc is family business. This is a CRIME. NO ONE ALONE should have to shoulder this, regardless of his/her worth. I predict an exotic twist to all of it. Some terrorist group, some political fringe, something along that line. This kidnaping is a statement, not really a ransom situation. JMO.
I’m also along the lines of “exotic twist”. This whole situation it utterly crazy!
 
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It's untraceable. LE, three news organizations, and the family all have the Bitcoin account number for the transfer. BTW, I think SG started to prepare for a possible payment days ago. She can afford to pay.
In my humble opinion, “untraceable” is being overstated here. You are right that Bitcoin can obscure identity at the surface level, but real-world ransom payments still involve intermediaries and behavioural signals that can and do lead to identification. Bitcoin isn’t truly anonymous; it’s pseudonymous. Identifies aren’t visible on-chain, but wallets can often be linked to real people over time through behavioural patterns, exchange touchpoints, metadata, and post-event analysis. This is why law enforcement frequently identifies parties later, even if not immediately.
 
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I just feel so sad for Nancy. Whatever has happened.
 
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thank you! i found it. That was quite the rabbit hole to go down, that man is deeply upwell 🙃 I ended up on his youtube page lol. If it ends up having anything to do with that Lisa Frank factory I think you found the guy lol
oh Lisa Frank....that's a whole other ball of wax....
 
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In response to the blueprint suggestion by @Bluewing3102…….Good idea!

Check the septic tank!!
 
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Maybe Sheriff Nanos wasn't incompetent after all. Maybe witnesses were changing their stories.
He did not instill confidence. I felt he talked too much and put his own personal spin on things. He gave too many interviews, which I don’t think helped. When he said that he had no idea that the family recorded and aired a plea to the kidnapers until his wife showed him on Facebook, well… I would have preferred no comment. It made me feel that he was not in the loop, and therefore, should not be doing interviews.
 
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It's possible but the county records show they bought their previous home in 2010 for only $140k. Then sold it 15 years later, last year in June for $379k. They then put down nearly $300k as a downpayment on their current home that they paid $650k. They obviously didn't need financial help and the only names on the title of the homes are their own.
$650k home purchased in Mar 2025. $140k home sold in Jun 2025. I don't know what they owed to their mortgage company to close out that loan. Plus, there are realtor and closing costs. If nothing else, they needed this $300k in the bank well before they closed in March. They had to get it from some place. Maybe, they saved that money. Maybe, they borrowed it from the NG with the promise to pay her back as soon as their house sold.

I do know that when we loaned our son a substantial amount of money to purchase his home, we had to sign a document stating that the money was a "gift" to him. The mortgage company wanted to make sure that there was not another major loan debt that had to be paid.

If NG lent them this amount of money, she surely would have had to do the same. Of course, some family members will honor their debts. Others stall and pay partial or won't pay at all. Who knows?

Just throwing that out there for consideration.

JMO.
 
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Legit question. Grok, write me a ransom letter that would be untraceable of any emotion or clues for an elderly lady kidnapping and plot out my strategy to avoid detection....ever.
Yes it would be impossible to analyze the RN for personality clues, educational level, gender, etc.
 
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This is the part that makes me feel for the family.

I think any of us that have lost a parent... think... if you had the means and opportunity, how much would you pay for a chance to see and talk and touch them again?

I can't even put a dollar figure on it.

I would have hit send already I'm sure.
I don't think any of us can truly imagine being in this situation. It is very different actually to having actually lost a parent where it is completely certain you will never meet that person again and so the concept of putting a financial price on doing so is fantasy (apologies, I am atheist if this offends anybody). In this situation, NG is very possibly still alive and so I can only imagine the impossible decisions that are happening right now.
 
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Wow! The most important information here is that they are canvassing the area between the two houses.

I would think that there would be another copy of a newly revised will or trust, either with another family member and with an attorney.
Its tricky. My dad died and a few months before that his attorney died and the practice was closed. All the old copies of the will were in storage boxes in the dead attorneys warehouse and my sister an attorney presented a new will whereby I, the oldest daughter was cut out. I hired my own attorney they said looked like first page of will was removed and replaced but long battle ahead in court. These things with family and money get crazy REAL quick. My sister and my dad's secretary worked together to edit his will he had saved on his computer. Scanned in signed by his former attorney. I didn't have the money or heart for the court battle while grieving my dad and raising kids, so I just went my own way empty handed. So I dont put anything past anyone!!!
 
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I get that but this Sheriff has been wishy washy.
Personally, I think it hasn't been handled well from the beginning. But, as this is an active investigation, he has done the right thing by not discussing this. The FBI won't be responding to anything.
 
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Poor Savannah…looks like she hasn’t slept in days
 
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DBM.
In one of the videos/live streams of them searching the house one of the agents stands at the left side of the garage door and appears to enter a code at the height of where a keypad would be and the door shuts behind him. I’m assuming that is how family/NG would enter the garage when not in her vehicle with opener. I’ll try to go back and find it. Might take me a bit.
MOO

 
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Could it be an ARGO? similar building in the background but its missing the overhead door on the side? its on North Oracke road?
ARCO. small but significant difference.
 
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Just because the daughter has money...i just dont think why ANYONE should think it is her responsibility to pay it. Plus, I am confident it isn't all sitting in a bank account somewhere. Stocks, bonds real estate etc. It takes awhile to liquidate assets. ALL OF THIS is a family matter. Whatever person has a will, trust, 40 million etc is family business. This is a CRIME. NO ONE ALONE should have to shoulder this, regardless of his/her worth. I predict an exotic twist to all of it. Some terrorist group, some political fringe, something along that line. This kidnaping is a statement, not really a ransom situation. JMO.
Big banks will lend against her assets in a heartbeat, if her insurance isn't already paying. She has way more than 40 million unless she has been keeping all her earnings under her mattress for the past 20 years. It is probably mostly invested in the stock market, which is up 1000% since 2009. Her net worth could easily surpass $100 million.
 

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