AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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I have one and it is clear when I take it off. And also would say where I did so. Electronics that monitor so much are hard to trick folks with. Jmo
Very good information! I’m now thinking the watch was removed precisely at the front door. Maybe the hasty removal caused a sinking tear?
 
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I believe the ransom is a separate matter.
Agreed and I believe she was home when the pacemaker stopped syncing with her phone. She was taken out the front door (blood) and sadly she may know her kidnapper in light of tonight’s events.
 
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I just read this:

Yes, pacemakers may continue sending electrical signals even after death, as they are not designed to recognize when a person has passed.

Yep, they often have to be manually switched off after the person passes. That's why I think LE's language was interesting - they only ever mention the disconnect - and that's probably only relevant in terms of her proximity to devices. There should be other data from the pacemaker and app that tells them much more about her actual physical condition at various points prior to that. Plus the apple devices will have plenty to say about location, presumably.
 
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So how do pacemakers work? If someone was smashed in the head or poisoned, when would the pacemaker stop working?

(I have no clue.)

ETA: I didn't see @LRinCA 's post as we were posting at the same time. Thanks for that!
No pacemaker would still send signals, just wouldn't cause heart to beat
 
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And her pacemaker disconnecting after that.

Like you can visualize this going down by the events, and it just doesn't work if she's not there.

Especially with the pacemaker.
I think it can work, it is just far fetched and/or crazy coincidence or luck by the people staging it.
 
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For clarity: If they are currently treating AG's house as a crime scene (or at the least, investigating it now) what would be the purpose of including her in the two videos asking for Nancy's release? Is there any precedence here?
 
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If Brian says they’re taking photos, I believe him. Looks like I’m staying awake a little longer. If this were big, wouldn’t there be more of a LE presence?
I believe him too. What about clean up mterials like Bleach what do you need to take pics of that? If they were using luminol, wouldnt that mean there was an attempt at clean up?
Man I hate spellcheck
 
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Very good information! I’m now thinking the watch was removed precisely at the front door. Maybe the hasty removal caused a sinking tear?
This photo of NG came to mind when I read your post.
 

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Plus, don't both the phone and the watch likely have functioning GPS? So if they were syncing with her pacemaker but at a location other than her home, wouldn't the devices' location services make that known? MOO
maybe, and maybe LE have kept alot more to their chest than we thought...
 
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I think it's very possible one person did the deed while another handled the distraction for that person.

She was bleeding before she was taken away. I would think the perp would have her blood in a vehicle.
But if the vehicle she was taken away in was family's and there are only minor blood traces in it, they can claim she was bleeding in it on some previous occasion for an innocuous reason/minor injury.
 
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If Brian says they’re taking photos, I believe him. Looks like I’m staying awake a little longer. If this were big, wouldn’t there be more of a LE presence?
I have been watching the livestream for an hour. Still seeing flashes of light in the house.
 
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Watch the ‘We received your message” video without sound and focus on the sisters reaction.
hubby arrested and we are not in the know yet?
 
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Has the SIL been seen since this entire thing began?
 

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