Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[stmichael]

The word “celebrate” that was used in the last response by the family seems odd to me. I have seen that term mentioned after a loved one has departed and a celebration of life is held in their memory.

Yes. This was discussed by a former CIA/FBI agent who said that in this video the somber mood, coded wording, and quick message seems more like a negotiation for a body at this point.

The "we understand" can point to the newly leaked $6M Monday 5pm deadline or she will be killed part of the latest email demand.

 

[watson1]

I have a very hard time believing if anything happened in AG’s house that their child would not be aware of something. And if aware of something, I have a hard time believing he wouldn’t crack under interrogation.

Sometimes parents cover for a child. Rage affects all ages. Domestic violence flows in all directions and/or accidents happen. Just speculation, MOO.

 

[carolmaria]

I don't find it hard to believe that someone in the family is involved, but I do think the most likely scenario for that involves some sort of unintentional violence or escalation, followed by a messy cover-up.

I just can't reconcile how someone could sit with their distraught family for a week and allow things to continue to spiral. Unless someone is completely psychopathic, I'd think they would be breaking down and giving up the ruse.

Clearly there's love between the siblings. I could forgive my sibling for an accident and poorly thought-out cover up that spiraled out of control. I could not forgive my sibling for putting me through this week+ of torture, humiliation, and false hope.

MOO

Things to ponder. Strong theory of scenario.

Having worked a decade in psych hospitals, a bit in forensic,

I could certainly see extreme compartmentalization happening, to where it would be possible to sit with distraught family and not give up the ruse. Not necessarily the case here.

You’re a bigger person than me re: the forgiveness part (re: accident)! But I guess it also depends on one’s definition of forgiveness.

I would perhaps try to release my deep acrimony to a higher power for survival’s sake, but would sever all ties. Haven’t been in that situation, though.

Thanks for your thoughts.

MOO

 

[rescuemom]

First and foremost - I think everyone's ideas, questions, and theories are just as valid as everyone else's. I wrote a whole theory that I know includes some wild speculation and questionable assumptions. But I want to challenge some of the things I'm reading, not to say anyone is wrong, but to help shape my own ideas better.
1) I'm reading theories where SG is the reason for what happened. Some of these theories seem centered around SG being pulled off the Olympics coverage, retaliation for her political statements, and/or terrorist or foreign actors. In my thinking, none of that makes sense. There are journalists and public figures with far more "offensive" statements who also cover major global events - why wouldn't they be targeted? Wouldn't there be a public statement by the group, person, organization responsible if this was done to "punish" SG for some reason?
2) Absolving the SIL because NG was over at his house for dinner. I'm not sure that means anything. There are plenty of cases where otherwise wholesome things happen just before a violent crime is committed by one of the participants. I also think to suicides where the person was "happy and playing with his son" before taking their own life hours later. So I'm not sure having dinner with NG equals SIL not being involved.
3) Evidence collection at AG house and garage. I'm under the impression they found evidence that connects someone at the house with the kidnapping - the garage being where DNA from whoever getting out of the car and walking through the garage, items used to plan or assist in the kidnapping, etc. Could the large rolled up item be a blueprint of AG house to show any hidden crawl spaces, septic tanks, etc? I'm not so sure a body part was mailed (easily tracked as a package isn't that easy to just drop off without some camera or witness coverage and just packaging it to avoid smell, leaking of fluids, etc).
4) Teens involved as Bitcoin was the ransom medium. Yes - but: SIL is a high school teacher. I think about a friend of mine who doesn't have kids - shes's a 2nd grade teacher and she is well versed in all the shows that age group watches. It wouldn't be a stretch to believe a high school teacher is very well versed in bitcoin and the "assumption" that it is a secure and anonymous way to be paid.
5) CG being stoic because of his military background. Yes, I see where this is coming from. I'm also a military veteran - but I would say for myself and anyone else I know - being emotionless with my own mother, kids, etc just wouldn't be a thing. I've also seen combat vets now in LE break down at crime scenes involving things that are too close to home. I don't see CM as being stoic in these videos. I see him being pissed off and trying to hide it. I see a man whose eyes are telling the abductor "I know who you are and I'll f**king kill you if I get my hands on you" - I'd be curious about the relationship between CM and the SIL.
6) Some food for thought: Has anyone seen ANY pictures posted with NG and the SIL? Or CG and the SIL? Do we have any evidence that the SIL was "part of the family" or close to CG or SG? Even a pic with the SIL face blurred and NG, SG, or CG in the pic as well? I haven't and I think there is a reason for that.

I can agree with your analysis. Who is CM???? you lost me there. I agree. My son was also 26 yr veteran retired AF pilot and officer and he would/could show emotion but I agree that he could also be livid and want to lay hands on this person

 

[Lamima]

Supposition is that mahjong needs 4 players, so 4th must've been the boy. JMO

May not have even played Mahjong

 

[CandyKiss]

I don't love speculating on how people behave in grief. People often act very strange indeed.

HOWEVER - I also noticed SG's hand contact with her brother is quite different to the contact with AG. She places her hand in her brother's hand and strokes his hand during the video. Her hand is then almost like a claw over AG's's, and there is no movement or stroking at all (unlike the earlier video where there was more touch and movement between the two).

I'm reading this in an opposite direction:
CG is holding SG’s hand, and she is stroking it with her thumb. The thumb strokes is self-soothing and also reassurance to CG that SG is doing ‘okay.’ SG’s hand over AG’s hand in the claw position is a protective stance “I’ve got you.”

 

[turaj]

I have a very hard time believing if anything happened in AG’s house that their child would not be aware of something. And if aware of something, I have a hard time believing he wouldn’t crack under interrogation.

do we have confirmation that son was home? Sleepovers very common at that age.

 

[mikeshanty]

I, too, noticed AG expressions changing from the first family video to yesterday’s.
It could be that she is very uncomfortable about the spotlight on her and TC.
Or, it could be guilt over a cover up, efforts to try to protect TC.

I noticed this too, and I do think there are some strange mannerisms and behaviours. But equally, we can behave unusually when put on the spot. I remember reporting a crime and the police coming to my house and telling me they would have their bodycams on. I got quite nervous and probably came across sounding really odd and guilty!

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I'm still going with the theory that this is somehow related to the 2 teens arrested. I would be checking every hotel/motel and AirBNB/VRBO within a 100 mile radius to see who checked in. IMHO, I believe Nancy is alive and she is being held by 2 other teens recruited. I believe these perps recruited multiple teens to do their dirty work while directing these teens on the next steps. Since the 2 arrested used signal app is there any way to trace signal app calls, texts in the area?

I know Pete Hegseth was criticized for using the app because it could be intercepted--what's the chance the FBI could intercept calls texts using that app?

It would seem to me that the family willing to pay the ransom would indicate the FBI believes that ransom to be legit. They would have to have something other than a mere guess to believe that.

Think of this--FBI traces call/text on signal app. They put individuals under surveillance--they come up empty handed. WHY? Because the person sending text is NOT the one holding NG, the teens are.

I believe this is more sophisticated that it looks on the surface.

What we do know is they were looking for a "man" on the Circle K video.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Fascinated1]

A while back on this thread there was a mention of the $ amount of the ransom-but then we all moved on to something else. It’s a weird number in my opinion —especially if these people know Savannah’s wealth. I get that they may be trying to find a number that is “easy” to get and won’t raise suspicions—but why not $5 million? Or $10 million? Why $6? Google searching $6 million I. Bitcoin comes up with some interesting things. The one that caught my eye was this: “U.S. Strategic Reserve Retention (Jan 2026): The U.S. Marshals Service decided to retain approximately 57.55 BTC (valued around $6.3 million) seized from the Samourai Wallet founders, rather than liquidating it.” (Google “significance of $6 million bitcoin). Also from Google: the number of people holding exactly or more than $6 million in Bitcoin is likely in the low thousands, falling between the 10,000+ who own $10M+ and the ~241,700 who own 1+ million. Anyone else have thoughts about the specificity of the number??

 

[keek]

If the family is involved and the ranson is just tailgated, this really complicates things for the family. Do we suppose the ransom is all coming from SG?

Yes, it is a very fast moving and complicated situation to FBI and local LE and they seem to be very busy at all times doing what they do to discover what is what and who is who. If the ransom demander is real, which prob is but could be separate, they don't care where they get their millions, but I bet they assume SG is 'good for it'.. IMO

 

[Cardgame]

Yep, feel exactly the same way, especially the juxtaposition.

I will say, if you look at some of the stills/screenshots of their video from today…some of the faces SG makes immediately struck me as annoyed and pissed off (thinking in particular of the thumbnail on Brian Entin’s most recent video. Just my opinion but that look seems more angry than sad.)

MOO

Totally agree. Especially in comparison to the other video where the grief on her face is so evident.

 

[MassGuy]

@MassGuy
Thanks for posting this.
In your opinion do you think this activity indicates LE viewing AG and husband as probably/possibly involved?

I can’t think of any other explanation.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Technical questions here about pacemakers and trackers (phone/watch), if anyone knows the answers.

What specific type of transmission mechanism does a pacemaker use to send info to a watch or phone? Perhaps microwave? (I believe Bluetooth uses microwave) or maybe radio signals?

and

How does the pacemaker know it is connecting to the correct tracker? In other words, if you go into the retirement home tv room and there are four elders with pacemakers and each has their phone or watch, how does the technology make sure each pacemaker only reports to the proper tracker? Serial number or similar when creating the account? Or is there actually a chance they could interfere with each other?

Thanks in advance to anyone who helps me understand how this works.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I actually don't know about the initial 911 call to report NG missing. But I was responding to a poster 's question about what might AG NOT report her husband if he did something and she is innocent.. .

I'm curious if TC went out to a club/bar/friends that Saturday night after NG was brought home?

IIRC:
It still hasn't been verified exactly who drove NG home.

 

[birdbox]

First and foremost - I think everyone's ideas, questions, and theories are just as valid as everyone else's. I wrote a whole theory that I know includes some wild speculation and questionable assumptions. But I want to challenge some of the things I'm reading, not to say anyone is wrong, but to help shape my own ideas better.
1) I'm reading theories where SG is the reason for what happened. Some of these theories seem centered around SG being pulled off the Olympics coverage, retaliation for her political statements, and/or terrorist or foreign actors. In my thinking, none of that makes sense. There are journalists and public figures with far more "offensive" statements who also cover major global events - why wouldn't they be targeted? Wouldn't there be a public statement by the group, person, organization responsible if this was done to "punish" SG for some reason?
2) Absolving the SIL because NG was over at his house for dinner. I'm not sure that means anything. There are plenty of cases where otherwise wholesome things happen just before a violent crime is committed by one of the participants. I also think to suicides where the person was "happy and playing with his son" before taking their own life hours later. So I'm not sure having dinner with NG equals SIL not being involved.
3) Evidence collection at AG house and garage. I'm under the impression they found evidence that connects someone at the house with the kidnapping - the garage being where DNA from whoever getting out of the car and walking through the garage, items used to plan or assist in the kidnapping, etc. Could the large rolled up item be a blueprint of AG house to show any hidden crawl spaces, septic tanks, etc? I'm not so sure a body part was mailed (easily tracked as a package isn't that easy to just drop off without some camera or witness coverage and just packaging it to avoid smell, leaking of fluids, etc).
4) Teens involved as Bitcoin was the ransom medium. Yes - but: SIL is a high school teacher. I think about a friend of mine who doesn't have kids - shes's a 2nd grade teacher and she is well versed in all the shows that age group watches. It wouldn't be a stretch to believe a high school teacher is very well versed in bitcoin and the "assumption" that it is a secure and anonymous way to be paid.
5) CG being stoic because of his military background. Yes, I see where this is coming from. I'm also a military veteran - but I would say for myself and anyone else I know - being emotionless with my own mother, kids, etc just wouldn't be a thing. I've also seen combat vets now in LE break down at crime scenes involving things that are too close to home. I don't see CM as being stoic in these videos. I see him being pissed off and trying to hide it. I see a man whose eyes are telling the abductor "I know who you are and I'll f**king kill you if I get my hands on you" - I'd be curious about the relationship between CM and the SIL.
6) Some food for thought: Has anyone seen ANY pictures posted with NG and the SIL? Or CG and the SIL? Do we have any evidence that the SIL was "part of the family" or close to CG or SG? Even a pic with the SIL face blurred and NG, SG, or CG in the pic as well? I haven't and I think there is a reason for that.

Clear, concise points. I like it.

 

[stmichael]

If the kidnapping isn't real, where is NG? Where is she if it is real? Tucson? Another state? Where is she if deceased?

She could be anywhere within a few hour drive. The desert is vast.

According to the original ransom note sent to TMZ, the kidnappers (according to H. Levin who read the note) said she could be returned within several hours upon receipt of ransom. He assumed it meant by car, and given the speed limit he came up with this radius. That is if you believe the ransom angle. Given the time before she reported missing a body in another scenario could have also been disposed far away from the house or in the wilderness (Tuscon is a dark town due to ordinances with vast open areas).

 

[watson1]

Good point, I’m not sure! I would think he would still have some valuable information, like if his family was in financial trouble (no matter how well parents try to hide that from their kids, the kids still know about it in general, IMO), or would know or have an opinion on if there was any animosity in the family. That type of information would still be important in their investigation, but it might not produce as immediate of results as if he had some knowledge about something actually happening to her.

Generally, LE can't talk to a minor without a parent's permission and presence; and/or with a court appointed guardian/lawyer present. So it's unlikely LE has had access to a minor at this point. If I were LE, I'd want to see if the parents were calling lawyers; and when they started to do so. Just my opinions.

 

[MommaV]

Could the Circle K being checked be because the perp stopped there before NG's place or WITH her possibly in the car afterwards? OR - could (going with my theory) the SIL have been there that night and that particular Circle K would place him in the vicinity of NG vs his own home or where he was supposed to be?
I don't see why Circle K would report just some random man or some random car since the media isn't reporting any specfic car or suspect to report. It makes me think a traffic camera caught AG car at the intersection and LE needed tape pulled to see who was driving the car

Maybe NG’s car was spotted on camera?

 

[SMK777]

I can’t think of any other explanation.

Thank you